Is there a round figure...

Brillance - Raging Tide

...or number that would be considered optimal physical defence for an Arcane, Level 100, almost pure magic build mystic (54 str, 8 vit points)?

I have regular R8 gear. 4954 HP, 10354 MP.

My PDef is 1636, Elemental Def is 9784.

8% damage reduction. 15 Def lvls from Blessing.

All unbuffed.

I feel good defence-wise, but I was wondering if my PDef could use fine tuning?


As always, thanks for your help.b:thanks

Periapt - Dreamweaver

I will admit that my numbers may be off, considering it's almost 2 in the morning, but I too would like clarification on this matter.

I was under the impression that in the 9xs, 4k HP unbuffed and 2.5k pdef (un)buffed was ideal. And at 100, 6k HP and 5k pdef was the min? Not sure if that's buffed, unbuffed, or self-buffed, whatever.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Remember that you have a selfbuf for 80% extra phys def, so your base phys def doesn't need to be as high as say, a psy's (cause you'r always buffed when it matters)

I think for wizzys, the aim was around 4k phys with self buf. Wizzy buf is 100%, so that would be an unbuffed 2k.
I'd aim somewhere around 2,5k on my mystic to be sure

XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear

Unbuffed on my mystic who is lvl 101 I have 5.4k HP and 4.4k phy def thats before my self buff and she not rank

Brillance - Raging Tide

XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Unbuffed on my mystic who is lvl 101 I have 5.4k HP and 4.4k phy def thats before my self buff and she not rank

Grats!

Ive heard that Nirvy gear is best for a Mystic, thats the route I will probably be eventually taking. The R8 just worked out to be the cheapest and fastest way to upgrade gears when I hit 100, as I had already been slowly buying rep since I started playing the game.

Im also curious about the Morai Arcane gears, as Im primarily a PvE mystic. Do they do any good in TW, for example? And, Im totally confused on comparing the gears, since I have no clue how to interpret the changes brought about by stuff like Slaying levels? o_O b:surrender

Brillance - Raging Tide

@Periapt, you seem to be correct. As Sirrobert seems to confirm your estimation on 2.5K PDef.

@Sirrobert, your explaination was very helpful, with its comparison to a Wizzy's PDef. I recently aquired Dancing Sparkle boots as there is something about offering me Magic that just totally mesmerizes me. xD


Thank you both very much! You've given me something to work with. b:victoryb:thanks

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im also curious about the Morai Arcane gears, as Im primarily a PvE mystic. Do they do any good in TW, for example? And, Im totally confused on comparing the gears

Just lol for that.
Now i believe the person who said you are a troll.

@Topic, 1.6k p.def is low. I'm lvl 100 and i have 4.3 p.def unbuffed and 5.6k hp unbuffed, selfbuffed i have 8.2k p.def and i'm pure magic.

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

...or number that would be considered optimal physical defence for an Arcane, Level 100, almost pure magic build mystic (54 str, 8 vit points)?

I have regular R8 gear. 4954 HP, 10354 MP.

My PDef is 1636, Elemental Def is 9784.

8% damage reduction. 15 Def lvls from Blessing.

All unbuffed.

I feel good defence-wise, but I was wondering if my PDef could use fine tuning?


As always, thanks for your help.b:thanks

Brillance for president

less than 5k HP at level 100... You're doing it wrong

thumbs

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

Brillance for president

less than 5k HP at level 100... You're doing it wrong[/COLOR]

if they were 7-8k mp'ish I'd agree, but their proper build can be grown.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im also curious about the Morai Arcane gears, as Im primarily a PvE mystic. Do they do any good in TW, for example? And, Im totally confused on comparing the gears, since I have no clue how to interpret the changes brought about by stuff like Slaying levels? o_O b:surrender

Morai gear is horribad for any sort of PvP activity. However, its Slaying/Warding levels are amazing for damage and survivabilty PvE wise.

If you're going to TW/PvP, you're definitely better off going on the NV route for sure.

Brillance - Raging Tide

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

Brillance for president

less than 5k HP at level 100... You're doing it wrong

Yulk for Primier!


Well, its like this for me and my mystic...

Im a front line playing AA Sage mystic who does not feel a need for 5K HP. Its a round figure I am happy to hover below.

My Mystic feels a need for 10K+MP. Im a balance Mystic. Not just heals - not just DD, but both at once. So I really need that large MP pool a lot more than a few points in HP in my solely 'wannabe magic' Mystic based opinion...

Im not a tank, and mostly dont pull aggro when squaded with others. And you know, if you think that 46 points of HP is just going to make or break any level 100 Mystic, then you are actually quite wrong. If I play front line and find it a silly notion, then any back line playing mystic should need it even less, imho.

After upgrading some gems though, Im now 4986 HP, so for you, I fail a little less I guess.

For me, Im just fine - but I did need to know what I should be shooting for in regard to PDef, as I have noticed more Defence to make me feel more resiliant than HP even will.

But, I will not be writing the complete 2.5K PDef round figure into stone either, lol.

Even if I was 6K HP unbuffed - what R9 would really be struggling to 1-shot me? Even barb buffed, what R9 (especially if they actually know how to play their char too) would really be struggling? And I honestly feel that for a Mystic Defence is better.

Let's not forget we heal ourselves too, and can set up a fake BB. And have our summons and other plants to keep you busy while we DD you.

In the reverse of my HP & Defence stats,

I have the 10.5K+ MP, which has me now able to manage my mana while continuously playing my character to its full potential. I am now weaned from my MP charm. xD
I find my mana to be perfectly manageable with Tea, and Clear Thoughts in a pinch.

I also have 12,115 MagAtt, 15 Att from my blessing.

36% Channeling & 15% crit.

Knowing how to play my char, makes me a decent DD (for my gear level).

Yes, I know Mystics dont need crit, that just happened with gears. And, thats a stat I would be willing to lose on future gear selections.

Ive been told about 24% Channeling is optimal for my mystic - and although on those few lag free occasions when my spells actually feel measurably faster, I love it - I can still lose 12% with future gear selections.

I have one more piece of regular R8 gear to raise from +4 to +5 which I hope will give me the actual HP level to afford to start removing Cits and switch them out for Gars.

The only thing keeping me from meeting that silly 'all-casters in a box' 5K req is money. But I could easily meet it now if I was willing to to put 1 less point in magic. No! I wont do it!

Id rather stay balanced, and feel 'tight' with my character than worry about building up nothing but my HP.

Yep, u are right - I suz. *wink wink*

Brillance - Raging Tide

thumbs wrote: »

if they were 7-8k mp'ish I'd agree, but their proper build can be grown.

*thumbs up*

Brillance - Raging Tide

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Morai gear is horribad for any sort of PvP activity. However, its Slaying/Warding levels are amazing for damage and survivabilty PvE wise.

If you're going to TW/PvP, you're definitely better off going on the NV route for sure.

Thanks for your post, and the link! b:thanks

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

I have 5.6k hp (unbuffed) and 10.5k mp with my vit tome, with my magic tome its 5.4k hp (unbuffed) and 10.7k mp., i'm pure magic, i didn't put any point in vit, all in magic (just the strg needed for wear gears as well), i'm not nirvy or R9 and i don't care about how much mp i have if i need mp i just use something call mp pots, i never needed to use mp charm on any of my AA class except cleric for plume shell in TW for the rest, mystic, wizz, veno, just pots are way enough.

Pure magic can have a decent hp and p.def you just need to refine and shard.

For any AA i think less than 5kp hp and less than 3.5k p.def unbuffed is really low for lvl 100+.

Brillance - Raging Tide

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I have 5.6k hp (unbuffed) and 10.5k mp with my vit tome, with my magic tome its 5.4k hp (unbuffed) and 10.7k mp., i'm pure magic, i didn't put any point in vit, all in magic (just the strg needed for wear gears as well), i'm not nirvy or R9 and i don't care about how much mp i have if i need mp i just use something call mp pots, i never needed to use mp charm on any of my AA class except cleric for plume shell in TW for the rest, mystic, wizz, veno, just pots are way enough.

Pure magic can have a decent hp and p.def you just need to refine and shard.

For any AA i think less than 5kp hp and less than 3.5k p.def unbuffed is really low for lvl 100+.

Yeah...

Whats your MagAtt level?

Whats your channeling level?

Whats your crit level?

Im using a mix of cits and gars now. Mostly immaculates, 6 perfects. What gems are you using and what's your refine level?

My ref is mostly +5, with about 3 +4's left. Only one of those +4 will improve my HP by 38 points or something.

What gears are you using? Could the Morai possbily be that good for PvE?

My current endgame goal is ultimately full Nirvy. My current gear dream is to have it all with 4 sockets gemed with +10 Vit, while changing our my tome for the +45 Magic Alms Bowl, or one of the multi-stat ones whose name escapes me right now.

Eoria - Harshlands

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Brillance - Raging Tide

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

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Fully buffed, very nice. You know, except for the hat I had that exact same outfit on the other day. b:pleased

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yeah...

Whats your MagAtt level?

13.6

Whats your channeling level?

36%, i could have 42% with my chan cape but i prefer defense so i use my p.def cape.

Whats your crit level?

14%

Im using a mix of cits and gars now. Mostly immaculates, 6 perfects. What gems are you using and what's your refine level?

Only my chest have citrines, the rest is on garnets, all immaculates, exept cape and head garnet, refine is at +5 in general, only cape and head at +10 and i have 3-4 gears at +4. I shard more in garnet cause p.def>hp, even with 6k hp a AA will be 1-2 shot with 2k less p.def, full buff i have 15k p.def.

My ref is mostly +5, with about 3 +4's left. Only one of those +4 will improve my HP by 38 points or something.

What gears are you using? Could the Morai possbily be that good for PvE?

I'll suggest you to don't waste your time and money on a PvE set of gears if you plan to PvP or TW and just focus on work on one set of gears that you can use for everything.

I have normal gears, TT99 sleeves and boots, R7 pants (better than R8 for the def.), R8 chest, warsong belt, TT90 gold necklace, warsoul head, the cape glorious robe torment (the one giving 2 times 216 p.def), one lunar ring and R8 weapon.

I personally worked more for refine and shard my cape and headgear cause i knew i will use them for a long time and on many chars since i have 4 AA chars on that account.

VoItaire - Harshlands

Your pdef is frightening. At least try to get 5k self buffed. x.x

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

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Yo, why the earthflame and ToP?

Eoria - Harshlands

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

Yo, why the earthflame and ToP?

I haven't really played with mystic's genie skills much. ToP is still a holdover from doing FC and ****.

I suppose I should get like extreme poison and...something else. Maybe fortify, but if I know anything from my cleric, I can't time fortify worth ****.

akosireann

thumbs wrote: »

if they were 7-8k mp'ish I'd agree, but their proper build can be grown.

Proper gears as well

3 R's of a caster

Robe, Refines, Rocks.

Brillance - Raging Tide

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

Your pdef is frightening. At least try to get 5k self buffed. x.x

I know mine seems like it, but I recently got it up to 1737. We usually dont pull aggro so, it hasnt really been a big deal.

Although, I did get killed - AoE'd - in the last Warsong run I did, which was even more my fault, because I accidentally pulled the mob to begin with. =\

Was my first BH in like 2 weeks, so Im getting a little rusty. b:sad

Brillance - Raging Tide

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I have normal gears, TT99 sleeves and boots, R7 pants (better than R8 for the def.), R8 chest, warsong belt, TT90 gold necklace, warsoul head, the cape glorious robe torment (the one giving 2 times 216 p.def), one lunar ring and R8 weapon.

I personally worked more for refine and shard my cape and headgear cause i knew i will use them for a long time and on many chars since i have 4 AA chars on that account.

Im still using Cape of Elite Leather, missed my chance to get a TM Cape on my own level, and dont have an alt big enough to try and get it. And, dont have Account Stash yet either. So that is what it is.

Im thinking of my first Nirvy Project being the Awakened Demon Spell Cape. Then follow that up with Awakened Archangel Sleeves. Im using Dancing Sparkle boots, which dont seem to have an upgrade. So, getting a pair of any Archangel boots might follow that

Ive got a plan, but a I also have a budget on time and money. b:chuckle

Very nice. I was thinking if you werent using Nirvy or Rank gear how would that be possible.

I would love to go full Magic now - but where Im at now, I really cant afford to move those 8 points left in Vit yet. But when left with that nineth point to place, I desided 8 was good enough, and put it in Magic instead. Couldnt do it! Couldnt put it in Vit, lol. b:surrender

Xainou - Sanctuary

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

We usually dont pull aggro so, it hasnt really been a big deal.

Erm, alright...


1.7k is awfully low. You will barely get by in PvE, not even thinking of PvP.

If I was you, I would slowly work on getting my gears up. You shouldn't die in warsong. Not if you're arcane. Stop trying to go from nothing to G16 vana. Get all your gear to a certain level, then go slowly, piece by piece to the higher stage. One awesome piece of gear won't save your butt alone.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im still using Cape of Elite Leather, missed my chance to get a TM Cape on my own level, and dont have an alt big enough to try and get it. And, dont have Account Stash yet either. So that is what it is.

Im thinking of my first Nirvy Project being the Awakened Demon Spell Cape. Then follow that up with Awakened Archangel Sleeves. Im using Dancing Sparkle boots, which dont seem to have an upgrade. So, getting a pair of any Archangel boots might follow that

Ive got a plan, but a I also have a budget on time and money. b:chuckle

Very nice. I was thinking if you werent using Nirvy or Rank gear how would that be possible.

I would love to go full Magic now - but where Im at now, I really cant afford to move those 8 points left in Vit yet. But when left with that nineth point to place, I desided 8 was good enough, and put it in Magic instead. Couldnt do it! Couldnt put it in Vit, lol. b:surrender

Its not the TM cape its the ''Wing Trophy'', its around 30m.
Its possible to have good stats without nirvy or rank.

And i agree with the other 1,7k p.def is still really low, but the only way to have more gonna be to shard more in garnet wich mean you will loose hp, but you can get hp by refine.

VoItaire - Harshlands

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Maybe fortify, but if I know anything from my cleric, I can't time fortify worth ****.

Ugh, I have this same problem. x.x I wanna use badge, but even 90 dex seems unreliable for me. :S

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

I know mine seems like it, but I recently got it up to 1737. We usually dont pull aggro so, it hasnt really been a big deal.

Didn't you mention TW?

Eoria - Harshlands

Let me put it this way...as Xainou says, you need to get your gear to some reasonable level first before you go get g16 Nirvana as you're not really gonna be able to farm efficiently at your current gear level. 1.7k pdef is really pitiful. Less than 5k HP is really bad as well. My ghetto purge bot has like nearly double that pdef even if I restat her to pure mag.

Or basically, post your pwcalc and let us dissect it.

Brillance - Raging Tide

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Let me put it this way...as Xainou says, you need to get your gear to some reasonable level first before you go get g16 Nirvana as you're not really gonna be able to farm efficiently at your current gear level. 1.7k pdef is really pitiful. Less than 5k HP is really bad as well. My ghetto purge bot has like nearly double that pdef even if I restat her to pure mag.

Or basically, post your pwcalc and let us dissect it.

What makes 4986 HP really bad compared to 5K HP? 14 HP difference?

I have R8, and I see no reason to waste time & money recasting.

I have no time to really farm, and since I cant even do a BH lately, easy to say farming is not in the cards. Ive done 1 BH in more than 2 weeks.

Cant gather mats anymore for coin - they are all dirt cheap and no ones buying them anyway.

Its 2x today, and even less people online than usual.

I dont have an up to date Pcalc, and see no reason to make one.

Warsoul of Heaven 3+7 immaculate citrines

R8 gear -
Chest 3+4 immaculate citrines
Pants 4+5 Perfect Garnets
R8 protection belt +4
That R8 wand weapon 2 + 5 Perfect Sapphires

Archangel Neck +5
Archangel Sleeves 3+ 5 Perfect Garnets

Dancing Sparkle Boots 2 + 5 immaculate citrines
Cape of Elite Leather 3 + 5 immaculate citrines

Sign of Antiquity: Chaos +4 - MagAtt +20
Generals Badge - Phys Res +62

O'Malleys Blessing

What gear is between R8 and Nirvy? Warsong?


@VoItaire - I gave up TW. The faction I was in either rolled over everyone, but one faction, that rolled over us. i.e. no fun to constantly either roll or be rolled.

Now in a leveling faction. Nice people, but no time to do anything but kill Qinzi & Jewelscalen for the handful of low levels in it. xD
At least the leveling faction has taken that constant stress of gearing up off.

Its easy - like Sunday morning.

VoItaire - Harshlands

R7 or TT90 pants > R8 pants. If you come up with any reason to continue using r8 pants you don't care about pdef. Carry a set of pdef ornaments to swap when needed. The R8 belt is kinda trash, try and replace it with OHT if you can and start working towards a TT90 gold neck. The hp add on it will fit nicely with your current sharding. Also, it is important to have over 5k hp exactly because there are many PvE figures that deal exactly 5k dmg.

Edit: Scratch the TT90 gold neck. Just read where you said you can't farm. Under your current circumstances, are you even really expecting to be able to make much improvement?

Eoria - Harshlands

Get rid of the ****ty mdef orns and get a Sky Demon's Pearl+4th past pdef belt. No ****ing wonder your pdef is terrible.

r8 pants aren't doing you much favor either. r7/tt90 pants until Nirvana/r9 always.

Brillance - Raging Tide

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

R7 or TT90 pants > R8 pants. If you come up with any reason to continue using r8 pants you don't care about pdef. Carry a set of pdef ornaments to swap when needed. The R8 belt is kinda trash, try and replace it with OHT if you can and start working towards a TT90 gold neck. The hp add on it will fit nicely with your current sharding. Also, it is important to have over 5k hp exactly because there are many PvE figures that deal exactly 5k dmg.

Edit: Scratch the TT90 gold neck. Just read where you said you can't farm. Under your current circumstances, are you even really expecting to be able to make much improvement?

Thank you! That is the most logical and best reason anyone has ever been able to give me about why I should get more than 5K.

I can still make improvement slowly. I put about 20$ every 2 weeks into the game since I started playing. That's been tapering off over the last few months. Combine that with what I used to bring in gathering mats in the game, and it financed me decently enough, until recently.

I guess a better question would be do I really want to continue to do that? Why continue to do that? Is there a reason to continue to do that?

My answer: I hope so, but I dont know. Hope aside, other than for the personal satisfaction of getting a new piece of gear, I dont see a reason to continue to do that.