Unbound Stuff That Bounds When You Equip It

birefox

Like the tittle says the topic will be "unbound stuff that automatically bounds when equipped."

I know there are already a few threads on unbinding items but this one will address the issue on a more specific level dare I say.

Please GMs read it before closing b:thanks .

First of all I'd like to say I'f you have bounded your items with a binding scroll yourself and chose to bind it and want it unbounded, please don't even read this for this will specifically dress only items that bound when equipped such as gear.

You might think that choosing to wear the gear that autimatically binds would be the same thing as choosing to bind those items for saftey but sadly no it will not be the same thing. Yes it might be about the same to a certain extent but not entirely.

Why isn't it the same?
- Simply because choosing to wear the gear that bounds autimatically is a necessity for you -the player, in the game while using a binding scroll to bind a certain item is what I consider a luxury.

I say that choosing to use a binding scroll is a luxury because it just is. You use it because you don't want to lose your gear while in PK or you are afraid of getting **** and then *cry* cos your stuff gets destroyed but oh wait you got it binded with a binding scroll. Then your happy cos you cancel the destruction of your precious gear and then hopefully you change your account password.

But big woof. Everyone gets the same chance on getting **** anyway right? So everyone gets the choice to bind their own stuff. But seriously get like a super safe stone in each character and get a lock code on your bank and bank all your items and coins if you are so worried about your stuff. Cos chance are if you have an expensive or rare item, you can probably afford to buy the super safe sones. Chances are.... Oh yes.... Chances. Sorry if you can not afford though but you can get the money to do so overtime and as your gears get more valuable, the more happy you are you get that safe stone on your way to becoming richer.

By now some of you are probably thinking : but like I don't have enough space or I didn't know you can't unbind stuff- I was noob!
- well if you have no space make another char, get an account stash, get another safe stone, and another pass code lock on bank and voila.
-if you were too new to the game and didn't know, sorry but you should really look up more information about things you are unsure of. Because I simply do not think you'll go pretty far in the game if you do things blindly. But if you're having fun doing so, go ahead. This game needs more unserious people and play it merely for the purpose of having fun. I like you.

Ok so now the real issue here: unbinding items that automatically bind.

- oh if your eyes hurt from reading, please go ahead and take a potty break , eat a cookie, drink milk, go sleep, go take a wittle break.... Etc.

Welcome back if you left and here we go :

- First of all this will not defeat the purpose of the boutique selling binding scrolls, for you choose to buy that item for the luxury of it liked I already explained earlier. Therefore this item that unbinds automatically binding items when equiped is more of a necessity for players to make it further in the game and help ensure that the players keepl playing. Cos that's what players do... They play. What's the point of the game when there is no players to play it right? Anyways.... This issue will specifically focus on the items that automatically bind when equipped. Let's call these items ABI for automatically binding items so I don't have to type a lot on this iPad.

- Like I said PWI should let us unbind ABIs because it is a necessity. It is because most of the ABIs are high level gear that allow us players to achieve higher goals like for example FF. Lets get real. No one wants to get like no APS or high level damage in an FF or FC because it takes way too long. No one wants to do FF or Nirvana when it takes like 3-4 hours to finish. Waste of time. People would quit by level 80 to try and even get to 100 unless they're like hardcore gamers and they're like b:angry I'm gonna beat this! But there's only a few of those I think.

-Then you buy these ABIs just because you need to so you can finish FF easier and faster or this certain thing you need. But the player wastes enough time to get the coins to to get that awesome ABI already and then needs new ones to even survive in another quest or instance in a higher to get further into the game. Wouldn't people just quit by then? I mean it's already hard enough to make money on PWI with even the rich using almost the same methods to get money ith the poor like farming. But there isn't enough mats or herbs or whatever. Nobody wants to lose the money they worked hard for.

- PWI should make the appropriate fee for such an item that lets you unbind ABIs or like put a customer support issue ticket thingy that let's you explain why your valid for such an item. But the 2nd suggestion sounded kinda dumb. But still just do eet please b:cry So that people can pass a long the items they got to other people, alts, or whatever and be a bit more sustainable.

- Anyways who would really waste like 3 million + coins to get good gear that helps you out at this level and find out there's another gear at another level or that another just came out that helps you at this certain instance like Nirvana. You're like wooohooo tt99. Refine this . Refine that. Bang Nirvana- I can only imagine how people reacted to the even newer ABIs that came when Nirvana came out. Prob like Wtf or yay to some. And chienkung stones or whatever really smart of PWI To make those to transfer refines and stuff.

- Yeah there are alternatives to Nirvana things that are unbound but some already did get tt99 stuff and couldn't sell it to get the new stuff.

So please PWI makers make an item that unbinds ABIs because no player wants to see their items get destroyed and waste the money on getting it.
Or please add like a byproduct to the destruction if the ABI that pays for some of the ABI costs or something. Like an NPC that like gives you coins for shards of these destroyed ABIs or something.

- Oh yes oh yes. The players are the Heads of the game and can choose the path they want but the Makers are the Neck and can turn the players at any direction they want with just like - snap - that with a creation of new things. For this is only a suggestion and the Makers are the ones that ultimately make the decisions.

- Well there is my suggestion b:cute. I know there are "what ifs" and "buts" that might argue against my suggestion and explanation but we won't get anywhere with butts and ifs.

- Bye and Thank You for reading b:thanks

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-P.S. Hahaha see what I did there? - "butts"

agiya

So please PWI makers make an item that unbinds ABIs because no player wants to see their items get destroyed and waste the money on getting it.
Or please add like a byproduct to the destruction if the ABI that pays for some of the ABI costs or something. Like an NPC that like gives you coins for shards of these destroyed ABIs or something.


First, I confess I didnt read the whole thing because I simply dont have time right now. I will get back to it later.

I picked this part after a quick skim because I really like it. I think its a good idea. Its definately more interesting and less tiresome than the idea of using that out-grown piece of equipment for making another character.

The only problem I see to it would be the effect it would have on the already existing Account Stash stones that PWI currently sells.

The positive of the stones for the makers of PWI, is that it in itself is something they make money on, and it also encourages players to make more characters that they will likewise be encouraged to spend a bit a cash/coin on, as not every mage or melee piece of equipment is not always the best for every single comparable class.

If you have already addressed that I will find out tonight when I have more time to read everything. If not, please look at it from the perspective of a business looking to improve profits, and post your thoughts.

On the surface though, nice idea! b:pleased

Olbaze - Sanctuary

No, no and no.

Gear that binds on equip has advantages. The autobinding TT80 and TT90 stuff have better stats than the ones that don't bind. As for Nirvana, the autobinding stuff is cheaper and easier to get.

Allowing these items to be unbound at will would go against the point: They'd have the higher stats and you could unbind them when you're done with them. In that case why would you ever get the green stuff?

Unbinding things that you have to bind with a Binding Charm, on the other hand, might be an idea considering. After all, in that case the binding does not affect the stats or availability of the item itself.

And you really cannot argue the point about "not knowing that you can't unbind". Nowhere in the game does it even hint that you could unbind stuff. In fact, all the clues point to the contrary: The pop-up that you get when you equip a bound piece of gear and the NPC that allows you to destroy bound equipment.

shotwhointhewhat

I always thought it would be nice to unbind gears, but with a penalty.

That penalty being a fee based on gear grade and a complete reset of the items being unbound. Sort of like recrafting it without any refine/socket transfer so the gear will be the same as a random uncrafted item.

Kashinimari - Heavens Tear

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

No, no and no.

Gear that binds on equip has advantages. The autobinding TT80 and TT90 stuff have better stats than the ones that don't bind. As for Nirvana, the autobinding stuff is cheaper and easier to get.

Allowing these items to be unbound at will would go against the point: They'd have the higher stats and you could unbind them when you're done with them. In that case why would you ever get the green stuff?

Unbinding things that you have to bind with a Binding Charm, on the other hand, might be an idea considering. After all, in that case the binding does not affect the stats or availability of the item itself.

And you really cannot argue the point about "not knowing that you can't unbind". Nowhere in the game does it even hint that you could unbind stuff. In fact, all the clues point to the contrary: The pop-up that you get when you equip a bound piece of gear and the NPC that allows you to destroy bound equipment.

No and no to that.
I don't agree with you because frankly, the gear that do bind are usually required at higher levels and require the previous gear to make them. So of course you want gear with higher stats. I don't see why PWI even made the "ABIs" because it's useless. They should of just made the gear but without the binding with equipped. People would've bought more binding scrolls to bind their gear if they really cared about it anyways.
As for the "not knowing that you can't" bind argument, I disagree because I say if you're unsure, go find out. It as simple as asking a random player who might know or searching it up in the web.

XTigerDemonX - Heavens Tear

Just have alts that can use the same gear and buy an account stash stone there gear not wasted

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Kashinimari - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No and no to that.
I don't agree with you because frankly, the gear that do bind are usually required at higher levels and require the previous gear to make them. So of course you want gear with higher stats. I don't see why PWI even made the "ABIs" because it's useless. They should of just made the gear but without the binding with equipped. People would've bought more binding scrolls to bind their gear if they really cared about it anyways.

What gear on higher levels is "required" that autobinds?

TT99 armors have an almost identical counterpart in Lunars, with the exception of -interval and -channel. The TT99 ornaments are far outdone by Cube and Warsong ornaments, again for everything except -interval.

And for -interval, BM/Barb/Archer can get to 4.0 without using bound equipment. Sins are stuck at a lower value, unfortunately.

The only place where you could argue about autobinds is capes.

Kashinimari - Heavens Tear

and what if the alts were done with that gear xtigerdemonx?
no way to that olblaze. the lunar counterparts are usually more expensive and with the "exception" of -interval and -channeling as you say, doing instances and killing things will be looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong.
when you see high level geared people, do you see mostly the lunar alternatives or the main tt gear? yeah that's right tt. so who would wanna waste time trying to get enough money to get these more expensive lunar gear that can also even take longer to get when getting coins for it is hard enough already? wouldn't people quit by then?

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Kashinimari - Heavens Tear wrote: »

and what if the alts were done with that gear xtigerdemonx?
no way to that olblaze. the lunar counterparts are usually more expensive and with the "exception" of -interval and -channeling as you say, doing instances and killing things will be looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong.
when you see high level geared people, do you see mostly the lunar alternatives or the main tt gear? yeah that's right tt. so who would wanna waste time trying to get enough money to get these more expensive lunar gear that can also even take longer to get when getting coins for it is hard enough already? wouldn't people quit by then?

Which is why TT gear binds on equip. You don't have to deal with the hassle and expense of Lunar gear but you don't get to resell it either.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

auto-binding gear is a coin/mat sink, plain and simple.

if you are going to argue about that, you might as well argue about teleport fee, cost of teleport stones and a ton of other stuff.

ofc, most people cannot see the bigger picture (if you think TT mats are worthless now, wait till all the binded gear before r8/r9 sale flood the market, already refined with awesome gems).

aps gear that autobinds and you must have it otherwise FC takes ages and it's too hard? please tell me that this is a joke. first of all, the only piece of autobind gear that comes to my mind with -int is general summer's braces which you can easily replace with some oht -int wrists (that might have really nice defences too and are way cheaper) for just 0.05 int less.

r6 daggers shouldnt qualify as ABI (neither r4-6 chest, as well as everything rank) as well as trophy mode capes since they are supposed to be gear that was earned by the character (ofc, with the rep sales and the trophy sales that arguments is a bit weak).

all in all, i have 2 chars at 100-101 and never had to use any ABI for FC...

birefox

You must be one of those hardcore gamers I mentioned in my suggestion. Of course these arguments were broadly described as what ifs and "butts" ( haha) at the near end of my suggestion. And oh OHT gear that you use as an alternative? Please tell me that is a joke. Once your in that level FF would come easy to squads. I'm not saying you have to have ABIs to finish FF because What The really? Did you think people would use tt99 gear for ff at lower levels? Pffft noo. Ff would come easy for people at that high level already. It would be as easy as baking apple pie. But once you even reach the level and able to use tt99 to get interval but still use the alternatives, what then? What can you even do with that non ABI gear? What? Nirvana in hopes of some rich guy to bring you a long? AEU? No way. You'd have to find another squad with probably non ABI gear that wouldn't help much in certain instances and take even longer to finish it. I guess by now you might as well say you've beaten the game because you might be incapable of finishing the instances available for you at thi level. As for high rank gear they are already OP with the recasts going on I'm pretty sure you can stick with those and refine them at higher levels. And as for choosing the path of rank items, it is cheaper already to keep using them because they are useful and can replace old ones you reach higher ranks. So no that would not be the same as ABIs because to get these LOW (not rank 9 and 8 - but even then some ABIs are **** compared to these) rank gear is easy and cheap as alternatives compared to keep getting TTs and further into it. Who really has 4 hours everyday to finish like 1 instance? Making money in the game is hard and long enough...

XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear

Kashinimari - Heavens Tear wrote: »

and what if the alts were done with that gear xtigerdemonx?

Make another alt and repeat : P

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

birefox wrote: »

You must be one of those hardcore gamers I mentioned in my suggestion. Of course these arguments were broadly described as what ifs and "butts" ( haha) at the near end of my suggestion. And oh OHT gear that you use as an alternative? Please tell me that is a joke. Once your in that level FF would come easy to squads. I'm not saying you have to have ABIs to finish FF because What The really? Did you think people would use tt99 gear for ff at lower levels? Pffft noo. Ff would come easy for people at that high level already. It would be as easy as baking apple pie. But once you even reach the level and able to use tt99 to get interval but still use the alternatives, what then? What can you even do with that non ABI gear? What? Nirvana in hopes of some rich guy to bring you a long? AEU? No way. You'd have to find another squad with probably non ABI gear that wouldn't help much in certain instances and take even longer to finish it. I guess by now you might as well say you've beaten the game because you might be incapable of finishing the instances available for you at thi level. As for high rank gear they are already OP with the recasts going on I'm pretty sure you can stick with those and refine them at higher levels. And as for choosing the path of rank items, it is cheaper already to keep using them because they are useful and can replace old ones you reach higher ranks. So no that would not be the same as ABIs because to get these LOW (not rank 9 and 8 - but even then some ABIs are **** compared to these) rank gear is easy and cheap as alternatives compared to keep getting TTs and further into it. Who really has 4 hours everyday to finish like 1 instance? Making money in the game is hard and long enough...

nope, i'm not joking about using oht gear. my sin didnt have any trouble duoing FC with another sin at 92 with oht wrists and no ABIs... dunno how you believe that you need them... either you seriously lack in skill or havent heard of shards/refines

birefox

Did you not see that I mentioned refines in my reply? As I already mentioned, doing Ff or Fc at that level would already be easy. I'm talking about other instances. Either you're a high leveled poorly equipped player or you just think you're so good.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Make another alt and repeat : P

And after 5 toons, I think taht 20mil piece of gear has paid for itself and you can rest easy when you destroy it

Olbaze - Sanctuary

I really don't see what's the problem.

The autobinding pieces pre-TT99 all have better stats than the comparable non-binding TTs of their respective level.

As for TT99, that's endgame gear anyway, so the binding shouldn't matter. Plus, there's an almost identical alternative in Lunar gear, which does not bind on equip.

There's very few pieces of gear that autobind that have no close comparison that does not bind. The only example I can think off the top of my head would be Barrier Thorn: Nirvana.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

I really don't see what's the problem.

The autobinding pieces pre-TT99 all have better stats than the comparable non-binding TTs of their respective level.

As for TT99, that's endgame gear anyway, so the binding shouldn't matter. Plus, there's an almost identical alternative in Lunar gear, which does not bind on equip.

There's very few pieces of gear that autobind that have no close comparison that does not bind. The only example I can think off the top of my head would be Barrier Thorn: Nirvana.

Doesn't the barrier thorn only bind because it needs the TT99 abi gutbreaker?

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

birefox wrote: »

I'm talking about other instances.

such as? i hope you are not talking about warsong cause, although it's open at 80+ it's an end-game instance, especially after the revamp

i still cant think of an ABI that cannot be replaced with better refines/shards/lucky gear
general's bracers might be one but from what you say you are not talking about 90+

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

such as? i hope you are not talking about warsong cause, although it's open at 80+ it's an end-game instance, especially after the revamp

i still cant think of an ABI that cannot be replaced with better refines/shards/lucky gear
general's bracers might be one but from what you say you are not talking about 90+

The bracers of blood moon have more p.def than the general's bracers. The same int and can easily be 4 socketed due to its lower grade. Not to mention they have a hefty resale value. It took me 3 weeks to get mine but my sin had that int starting at level 60 and I resold them for 40 mil and used that 40 mil to outright buy my TT99 ashura bracers. No TT runs needed.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=17161761
You don't want to do the work for the bracers of blood moon? Want more -int than the OHT bracers are going to offer? Fine, go with the tt90 bracers. A lot of people do. But realize that the binding is the penalty they have for being better than the OHT and cheaper and easier to get than the BOBMs.

AmmeeesbfC - Dreamweaver

I don't think any item should ever be bounded at all! It's just wrong! They can't be sold or give away to other players! What a waste of resources!