Sap Gems end game

guyesswho

hi folks i was wondering what you thought of this end game sharding for a bm i went with with Sap gems to increase my Mag Def enough Jades to get to 50 Def lvl and Vit stones i realize that this is not as good as lets say full Jades or 1/2 jades ad 1/2 Vit stones however i do not have the funding to either of those 2 setups and i know i could just as easily raise my mag def with a mag attack ring +10 as someone stated once but that would reduce my Acc to a number that i am not comfortable with.

So please let me know your thoughts about this idea weather you think its worth the effort or just a plain bad idea

http://pwcalc.com/255e1c1906bf8190

xhotrod

It is a plain bad idea.

Taking out all cleric buffs, and put on lvl11 Magic marrow, you will have 15k magic defense with you want. But take a second and put in hp shards for each and everyone of them. You actually only end up losing only 2k magic def. 13k magic defense with high defense level is enough to tank many casters. An extra 2k magic defense won't make much difference.

In this case, hp gems would become more useful than Sapphire Gems.

Since you have Sage bell on, I assume you are sage. Please, make your life easier by switching to Demon.

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands

Please don't make this sage demon thread
/begs

guyesswho

xhotrod wrote: »

It is a plain bad idea.

Taking out all cleric buffs, and put on lvl11 Magic marrow, you will have 15k magic defense with you want. But take a second and put in hp shards for each and everyone of them. You actually only end up losing only 2k magic def. 13k magic defense with high defense level is enough to tank many casters. An extra 2k magic defense won't make much difference.

In this case, hp gems would become more useful than Sapphire Gems.

Since you have Sage bell on, I assume you are sage. Please, make your life easier by switching to Demon.

Well to this post as i siad i dont have the money for JOSD so 50 def lvl is not very high compared to a full r9 Caster and i agree that def lvl is nice but its only as good as your P Def and your Mag Def so in that i still stand by my decision besides with lvl 11 marrow and cleric buffs i have 20k mag def i have seen full vit bms's that do not fare well against magic casters as for your idea of changing to demon bm i enjoy being sage i know every one says demon is better but i stand by my decision like it or not there is no one perfect cultivation for any class each cultivation has it ups and downs

guyesswho

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »

Please don't make this sage demon thread
/begs

dont worry i have no intention in making this a sage vs demon argument everyone has their own style of play and i respect that

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Well, it does kind of matter here.

The build you showed us would have
demon: 21k pdef
19.3k mdef

and sage: 14.2k pdef
21.1k mdef

My overall opinion is in PvP you'll get more survivability JoSD, Vit stones, Saphires in that order. In PvE you'll get more survivability JoSD, Vit stones, Garnets in that order. If you mostly PvP then it's a fine idea to shard Saphires instead of Citrines, Garnets, or DoTs.

For sage, there is less appeal to shard saphires because you have a weaker bell and a more suicidal marrow that unbalances things to give you a really strong mdef but make you very vulnerable to physical attacks or visa versa. For demon it would balance out better.

Oh, and if you do it don't mix your shards. It's better to put 4 JoSD in one piece and 4 Saphires in another than it is to put 2 of each shard in each piece. That way if you change your mind, get more money, or whatever you only have to clear one piece of armor.

guyesswho

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, it does kind of matter here.

The build you showed us would have
demon: 21k pdef
19.3k mdef

and sage: 14.2k pdef
21.1k mdef

My overall opinion is in PvP you'll get more survivability JoSD, Vit stones, Saphires in that order. In PvE you'll get more survivability JoSD, Vit stones, Garnets in that order. If you mostly PvP then it's a fine idea to shard Saphires instead of Citrines, Garnets, or DoTs.

For sage, there is less appeal to shard saphires because you have a weaker bell and a more suicidal marrow that unbalances things to give you a really strong mdef but make you very vulnerable to physical attacks or visa versa. For demon it would balance out better.

Oh, and if you do it don't mix your shards. It's better to put 4 JoSD in one piece and 4 Saphires in another than it is to put 2 of each shard in each piece. That way if you change your mind, get more money, or whatever you only have to clear one piece of armor.

i Agree you get a better survival rating with Jades but on my server they are 120m+ i do not have enough coin to do that and i see your point about the increase with demon bell but its better survival rating for 15 seconds after that demon becomes just like sage and lastly i was thinking about 4 sap gems in a single piece of gear that way when i get better money

xhotrod

guyesswho wrote: »

Well to this post as i siad i dont have the money for JOSD so 50 def lvl is not very high compared to a full r9 Caster and i agree that def lvl is nice but its only as good as your P Def and your Mag Def so in that i still stand by my decision besides with lvl 11 marrow and cleric buffs i have 20k mag def i have seen full vit bms's that do not fare well against magic casters as for your idea of changing to demon bm i enjoy being sage i know every one says demon is better but i stand by my decision like it or not there is no one perfect cultivation for any class each cultivation has it ups and downs

Like Saku said above, lvl10/Sage Marrow is suicidal. Also you don't always expect to have cleric buffs when you Pvp do you? Because fair 1v1's are usually with self buffs or equal buffs. Anyways, even with your 20k magic defense, I don't think you realize that casters also have physical based attacks. Your lvl10/Sage Magic Marrow will end up being your demise.

EDIT: Bell also takes less than 2 seconds to cast, so it's not really a problem spamming it.

EDIT 2: I don't think you even need jades. You still have above 35 def level without jades. IMO i don't think it's worth the money for an extra 14 def level.

guyesswho

xhotrod wrote: »

Like Saku said above, lvl10/Sage Marrow is suicidal. Also you don't always expect to have cleric buffs when you Pvp do you? Because fair 1v1's are usually with self buffs or equal buffs. Anyways, even with your 20k magic defense, I don't think you realize that casters also have physical based attacks. Your lvl10/Sage Magic Marrow will end up being your demise.

EDIT: Bell also takes less than 2 seconds to cast, so it's not really a problem spamming it.

EDIT 2: I don't think you even need jades. You still have above 35 def level without jades. IMO i don't think it's worth the money for an extra 14 def level.

i dont plan to do much solo pvp bms are better for group pvp imho and if i need more pdef against a caster i do always have Buddha's guard for an extra 1000% p def for 10 seconds not to mention there are genie skill like balance to help out with that i am not super worried about casters p attacks as i am hooping for more group pvp

i understand bell only takes 2 seconds to cast but the fact is that 2 seconds that you cant be attack because you have to remember to rebuff not that its alot of time but for the aps bms out there that 10 attacks or 2 seconds that some one could use to stun you

i only need to add 1 jade to hit 50def lvl with blessing as my helm i bought with 3 jades and sadly if you think 35 def lvl is good enough you haven't gone toe to toe with a full r9 who has over 90 attack lvl

also i would like to point out the question isnt about my cultivation but more so what people think about the shards so please people refrain from bringing up the fact that i am a sage bm

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

guyesswho wrote: »

... so please people refrain from bringing up the fact that i am a sage bm

We'll be ashamed of it if you agree to be, also. b:laugh
(just messin with you)

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands

guyesswho wrote: »

dont worry i have no intention in making this a sage vs demon argument everyone has their own style of play and i respect that

I like sensible people, Its a game play it how you want b:victory

guyesswho

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

We'll be ashamed of it if you agree to be, also. b:laugh
(just messin with you)

no i do enjoy being sage for may reasons for my play style is just works out for me i see the points of being demon i just enjoy sage

guyesswho

Soo is there no advie to what was originally posted about using sap gems end game ?

Kalish - Lost City

guyesswho wrote: »

Soo is there no advie to what was originally posted about using sap gems end game ?

You have received plenty of advice in this thread, you just haven't heard the advice you seem to want to hear (zomg you are the wisest BM of all history why didn't we think of that!?!?!?).

As has been stated over and over it is an inferior choice, but acceptable for PVP.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Kalish - Lost City wrote: »

You have received plenty of advice in this thread, you just haven't heard the advice you seem to want to hear (zomg you are the wisest BM of all history why didn't we think of that!?!?!?).

As has been stated over and over it is an inferior choice, but acceptable for PVP.

This.

But here is Asterelle's calculator, make your own choice.
Asty's calc

guyesswho

Kalish - Lost City wrote: »

You have received plenty of advice in this thread, you just haven't heard the advice you seem to want to hear (zomg you are the wisest BM of all history why didn't we think of that!?!?!?).

As has been stated over and over it is an inferior choice, but acceptable for PVP.

That's not it at all 2 people have weighed in on their thoughts and then the whole topic became about my cultivation. Tho it seems you are more then happy with only getting information from one or 2 sources dose not mean that i am the same way. So i am very sorry to offend you by asking and trying to get as much information as i can please accept my up most apology.

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands

kalish - Lost City wrote: »

you Have Received Plenty Of Advice In This Thread, You Just Haven't Heard The Advice You Seem To Want To Hear (zomg You Are The Wisest Bm Of All History Why Didn't We Think Of That!?!?!?).

As Has Been Stated Over And Over It Is An Inferior Choice, But Acceptable For Pvp.

guyesswho wrote: »

that's Not It At All 2 People Have Weighed In On Their Thoughts And Then The Whole Topic Became About My Cultivation. Tho It Seems You Are More Then Happy With Only Getting Information From One Or 2 Sources Dose Not Mean That I Am The Same Way. So I Am Very Sorry To Offend You By Asking And Trying To Get As Much Information As I Can Please Accept My Up Most Apology.

Kalish Got Burned

Sjuggs - Lost City

Sage sucks


/thread b:bye

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands

Sjuggs - Lost City wrote: »

Sage sucks


/thread b:bye

Go away

guyesswho

sure you can say that but i can kill equal geared demon bm's soo there must be something to this whole sage thing.

and now by posting this i have opened up a can of worms about people yelling how demon is better then sage blah blah blah they dont realize i dont care about my culti i just asked about the sap gems

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

guyesswho wrote: »

sure you can say that but i can kill equal geared demon bm's soo there must be something to this whole sage thing.

and now by posting this i have opened up a can of worms about people yelling how demon is better then sage blah blah blah they dont realize i dont care about my culti i just asked about the sap gems

And equal geared demon's can also kill you. On paper, demon is better. In practice... who knows. Alot of times that's where preferences and skill comes in.

How about does anyone have something useful to say about This builds shards if it absolutely had to be sage? Same question if it absolutely had to be demon. Make your comments about how sharding is affected by culti, or how that build should be sharded as a sage but try to refrain from a straight across "sage vs. demon" conversation. If you can't do that, you lose the game, -1 post count, your wenis becomes an in-y, and I'll **** on your pillow before you go to bed each night.

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

And equal geared demon's can also kill you. On paper, demon is better. In practice... who knows. Alot of times that's where preferences and skill comes in.

How about does anyone have something useful to say about This builds shards if it absolutely had to be sage? Same question if it absolutely had to be demon. Make your comments about how sharding is affected by culti, or how that build should be sharded as a sage but try to refrain from a straight across "sage vs. demon" conversation. If you can't do that, you lose the game, -1 post count, your wenis becomes an in-y, and I'll **** on your pillow before you go to bed each night.

Rodl win

Saethos - Raging Tide

guyesswho wrote: »

hi folks i was wondering what you thought of this end game sharding for a bm i went with with Sap gems to increase my Mag Def enough Jades to get to 50 Def lvl and Vit stones i realize that this is not as good as lets say full Jades or 1/2 jades ad 1/2 Vit stones however i do not have the funding to either of those 2 setups and i know i could just as easily raise my mag def with a mag attack ring +10 as someone stated once but that would reduce my Acc to a number that i am not comfortable with.

So please let me know your thoughts about this idea weather you think its worth the effort or just a plain bad idea

http://pwcalc.com/255e1c1906bf8190

I'm going to completely disregard every previous post in this thread...

SO! Here's what I see. You want full r9, that's all good, r9 is great! I persoanly can't afford it, but r9 is definitely better than my r8 recast.

We're off to a good start.

Err...Lunar Nirvana cape and a warsoul of Earth? Alright, lunar cape is good, but it adds the same as the Nirvana cape and is much more expensive. To save a few coin, go with the TT Nirvana cape. Then, also take off that warsoul of earth and get the TTNirvana helmet to match it since it refines better, adds some M.Def, and will give you 5 attack levels from a set bonus.

Necklace: Good

Onto the shards, which is what you really wanted to know about...

Well, I can see and have read you are a sage BM. This is alright by me, as a demon BM I also have respect for sage BMs. About those sapphires...well, they're cheap, but you are sage. Because of this I recommend vit shards if you can't afford JoSD. The reason is it adds HP and a little tiny bit of magic and physical defense. You're looking at 150 HP per shard. Considering genie skills, like wind shield if your genies has high dexterity, AD, and the fact you can sue Apoth, the higher HP starts to look better, and because you have sage marrow, you can face decently against casters

Of course, there's the Blade Tempest, Soulburn, and Plume shot to worry about, but if anything those would be charm tickers against r9 with 23.4k HP

However, in the end, Sapphires are way cheaper...I don't personally recommend it, but if you want to save a few extra million, go for the sapphires, just know that there is WAY better out there.