Stun locking Aohe Snake in AEU

Staryu - Dreamweaver
Staryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 109 Arc User
edited June 2012 in General Discussion
I can't always find a squad with a perfect mix of casters/aps, so which would be the better option?

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/34637
or
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14867

From what I've tested, the fists activate once per spark. While the blade activates at least twice as much. But there's also the damage to consider. 2.86aps with blade or 5aps with fists?
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  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    The proc rate on those fists is too low to be relied upon.
  • Elanxu - Dreamweaver
    Elanxu - Dreamweaver Posts: 521 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    personally id say go behemoth. freezes dont really hurt you because the boss is not gona run out of ur range. also, they have a higher chance of hit since faster attacks than blade.
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  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    That stun screws with everyone elses stun though. And it doesn't really last long...
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    You know, if you can't get a good balance in killing speed on those, just tell the side that does more dmg to hold back

    It actually is possible to stop DDing for awhile so the other side can catch up
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    What I like to do is to DD the elemental immune down to ~30k hp, then jump off the cliff. This will make the boss agro on the Helios NPC, which keeps his HP low as the NPC spams attacks that don't do anything.

    Then let the magic DDs catch up, and slice off the other 30k hp when the phys immune one dies.
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  • Staryu - Dreamweaver
    Staryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You know, if you can't get a good balance in killing speed on those, just tell the side that does more dmg to hold back

    It actually is possible to stop DDing for awhile so the other side can catch up

    A lot of people tend to think that seekers are a viable caster class and bring a lot of them. They end up not doing much of anything in the end and the boss just recovers hp over and over.

    Same thing with veno to an extent. They mostly end up in fox form trying to debuff.

    I can't be too picky with squads as well or I will end up not using any orders. I already end up with 1/3 of my orders that are unused by the end of the week on the characters that can get it.
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Staryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

    I can't be too picky with squads as well or I will end up not using any orders. I already end up with 1/3 of my orders that are unused by the end of the week on the characters that can get it.

    Some people play the game for fun, but aperently you treat it as a job than
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  • Staryu - Dreamweaver
    Staryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Some people play the game for fun, but aperently you treat it as a job than

    Good for you. Now how about we stay on topic?
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Staryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I can't always find a squad with a perfect mix of casters/aps, so which would be the better option?

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/34637
    or
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14867

    From what I've tested, the fists activate once per spark. While the blade activates at least twice as much. But there's also the damage to consider. 2.86aps with blade or 5aps with fists?

    Learn a proper stun lock, don't use a weapon proc. In fact, proper stunning will be harder to do relying on a weapon proc because its unpredictable and will interfere with the timing of your actual stun skills, usually blocking a 6 second roar because the 3 second weapon proc was on.
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  • Staryu - Dreamweaver
    Staryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Learn a proper stun lock, don't use a weapon proc. In fact, proper stunning will be harder to do relying on a weapon proc because its unpredictable and will interfere with the timing of your actual stun skills, usually blocking a 6 second roar because the 3 second weapon proc was on.

    Stun locking a player isn't the same as stun locking a boss. You can't seal/silence bosses. Sleep doesn't do anything since there are other DDs. Have you even played a sin? The two actual stuns they have has 3 min and 30 second cooldowns.

    Not everyone has the privilege of being able to squad with such pro BMs all the time. Most people don't even stun. They just hf, spark and keep punching. Even if you tell them to stun lock, you will rarely see it actually come up.

    No one even bothers stunning dragon either. They just res and keep attacking.
  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Staryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Stun locking a player isn't the same as stun locking a boss. You can't seal/silence bosses. Sleep doesn't do anything since there are other DDs. Have you even played a sin? The two actual stuns they have has 3 min and 30 second cooldowns.

    Bms don't need a seal to stunlock...
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  • Staryu - Dreamweaver
    Staryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Bms don't need a seal to stunlock...

    I'm a sin and am being told to stun lock like a bm...
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Learn a proper stun lock, don't use a weapon proc. In fact, proper stunning will be harder to do relying on a weapon proc because its unpredictable and will interfere with the timing of your actual stun skills, usually blocking a 6 second roar because the 3 second weapon proc was on.

    The fist seems to have a 5 second stun which is surprisingly high for a weapon proc. If you assume a 5% proc rate it should only take that fist 4s to proc which will keep the boss stunned for like 55% of the time. That's pretty good really.

    Besides most BMs in the APS era don't know how to stun lock. These fists suit them well since they don't require any skill to use.
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  • Zorish - Harshlands
    Zorish - Harshlands Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The fist seems to have a 5 second stun which is surprisingly high for a weapon proc. If you assume a 5% proc rate it should only take that fist 4s to proc which will keep the boss stunned for like 55% of the time. That's pretty good really.

    Besides most BMs in the APS era don't know how to stun lock. These fists suit them well since they don't require any skill to use.

    I just find it funny that having so many skills, all melee classes end up being 5 APS... that talks a lot about balance. If everyone does the same, it means balance doesn't exist
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Probably assuming you're playing a BM because no sin would restat to pick up sword/fist that have higher than pure dex's strength requirement. Are you really that serious about AEU?

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  • unceuncerave
    unceuncerave Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Why is a fishstick ******** about another classes job.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Staryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Stun locking a player isn't the same as stun locking a boss. You can't seal/silence bosses. Sleep doesn't do anything since there are other DDs. Have you even played a sin? The two actual stuns they have has 3 min and 30 second cooldowns.

    Not everyone has the privilege of being able to squad with such pro BMs all the time. Most people don't even stun. They just hf, spark and keep punching. Even if you tell them to stun lock, you will rarely see it actually come up.

    No one even bothers stunning dragon either. They just res and keep attacking.

    Lol, I'm a 102 sin and my PvP stunlock/seal is decent enough but I'm not going to try to stunlock a boss or restat my sin for swords and fists. Now, have you ever played a sin? They use daggers and you'd lower your survivability by moving 39 points out of dex to use a sword at 2.86 aps or the lower base damage of tt90 fists. Even if you are keeping them stunned 55% of the time thats an average and you will have runs of long unstunned time with reduced paint heals.

    ^^Thats why I assumed you were talking about playing a BM when you linked fists and swords and asked about stunlocking. There was no reason to be defensive and rude to people who respond to your question with advice.
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