Can you stop **** over venos please? lol.

Otonio - Heavens Tear
Otonio - Heavens Tear Posts: 78 Arc User
edited June 2012 in Venomancer
Our big new AEU skill (Bewitch Tiger) is a joke.

It shares a cooldown with the Bewith Puffbird skill, so it's basically useless except aesthetically, and yet you can't learn it unless you've already gotten the Corona Bewitch Puffbird skill, which takes a decent amount of time to get with dailies, etc.

Really? At least make their cooldowns separate so it's not just a complete waste of time. I was excited at the prospect of being able to just buy another version of the skill instead of having to kill stupid Morai mobs for days on end to get the bird version, but oh surprise.. I have to anyway.
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Instead of another version of bewitched, since they share cooldown, I'd want an entirely new skill.

    Not sure what, maybe another pet buff (for example that increases physical/magical defence of both pet and player for x seconds) or something else. Not that hercs would need that but it would be a nice little buff regardless, for DD pets especially.
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I believe that the first thing that venos need to be completely changed is the Pet system. Pets for PK-PVP are completely weak against anything. Apart from debuffers i find no use for them outside of midgame PVP.


    As for our Skills , The new morai stuff did gave us some power , but i don't believe the whole transform thingie is too much to worry about. Personally i enjoy more the shared buff and reflect than a troll skill
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Your big new AEU skill is Chi Burn NOT Bewitch Tiger.

    Bewitch Tiger is meant to work just like fashion, a cosmetic alteration to a skill you already have, NOT a brand new skill. That's why Bewitch Tiger drops directly from the boss at an extremely high rate. I've already seen that book drop like 10 or 12 times out of 35 runs. Every veno will be able to acquire it easily unlike the real skills which are very rare and only come from the chest.
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I agree with Asterelle. Chi Burn is the real deal.
    Well, for those who PvP.
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  • Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I still think they should give monsters/bosses "chi" based abilities. Thus giving PvE venos an actual use for skills like chi burn and crush vigor. Of course, with a full squad of players hitting a boss, crush vigor could shut it down completely.
  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I still think they should give monsters/bosses "chi" based abilities. Thus giving PvE venos an actual use for skills like chi burn and crush vigor. Of course, with a full squad of players hitting a boss, crush vigor could shut it down completely.

    I agree on that XD Demon crush vigor has a significant PvE role though. Gotta love the chi b:dirty
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  • HexiKiss - Harshlands
    HexiKiss - Harshlands Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I say it would be better to split it like they did myraid rainbow. so bewitch(Tiger) could go to human form and bewitch(Puffbird) for fox form and make it a small AoE say 5-6 meters?

    I mean it sounds cool in theory but idk xD
  • Zanryu - Lothranis
    Zanryu - Lothranis Posts: 1,998 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I love **** Venos. I like to put their tail in their butt as I make love to them from behind. Oh yes, how I do enjoy **** them. It's so hot.
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  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Another QQ over nothing. -(QQ cause it didn't make me OP like I expected).

    What about all the effort put into DD pets only to have them made obsolete by the Derjan's? What about Mystics having cheaper and better pets, healing abilities, AoEs, etc, and doesn't Invigorate > Amp now with the anti aps update?

    I agree that venos are getting screwed over, but this is not a good example.

    I've also learned not to sink all my eggs in one basket. Sin's used to be well sought after, and now it's hard for them to find a squad for anything.
  • Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    thumbs wrote: »
    Another QQ over nothing. -(QQ cause it didn't make me OP like I expected).

    What about all the effort put into DD pets only to have them made obsolete by the Derjan's? What about Mystics having cheaper and better pets, healing abilities, AoEs, etc, and doesn't Invigorate > Amp now with the anti aps update?

    I agree that venos are getting screwed over, but this is not a good example.

    I've also learned not to sink all my eggs in one basket. Sin's used to be well sought after, and now it's hard for them to find a squad for anything.

    Scorpions suck anyway. Mystic's pets aren't nearly as durable as some veno pets. Although it's easier to bring them back after they die. Also, Invigorate stacks with amp, so there's no problem.

    At least venos don't have to chug mana pots as fast as mystics do.
  • Kiersten - Lost City
    Kiersten - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I agree with Asterelle. Chi Burn is the real deal.
    Well, for those who PvP.

    wer we can find that chi burn? im pvp type veno,
    i need that. i think if u are demon u can use also that skills to reduce opponent chi.
    b:victory
  • Kiersten - Lost City
    Kiersten - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Its seem Veno will be instinct soon... Hay! love veno so much but seem not good idea for PVP even if you got a very good set of armor w/ high refines. New skill thus important i dont think so? I'v got 2 of morai skills (Lumi and Shourd) both is useless. I just waste my coins for nothing...

    Our nix pretty die easily now a days... GM did not give any good skills for veno, so this will be the end of veno in PVI? QQ
    b:victory
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Kiersten - Lost City wrote: »
    Its seem Veno will be instinct soon... Hay! love veno so much but seem not good idea for PVP even if you got a very good set of armor w/ high refines. New skill thus important i dont think so? I'v got 2 of morai skills (Lumi and Shourd) both is useless. I just waste my coins for nothing...

    Our nix pretty die easily now a days... GM did not give any good skills for veno, so this will be the end of veno in PVI? QQ

    trolling much ?
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  • Otonio - Heavens Tear
    Otonio - Heavens Tear Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    thumbs wrote: »
    Another QQ over nothing. -(QQ cause it didn't make me OP like I expected).

    What about all the effort put into DD pets only to have them made obsolete by the Derjan's? What about Mystics having cheaper and better pets, healing abilities, AoEs, etc, and doesn't Invigorate > Amp now with the anti aps update?

    I agree that venos are getting screwed over, but this is not a good example.

    I've also learned not to sink all my eggs in one basket. Sin's used to be well sought after, and now it's hard for them to find a squad for anything.

    Not like I ever expected the bewitch skill to be OP, but it'd sure as hell be nice to get two separate skills instead of one crappy one with two different forms.

    I'm not familiar with the chi burn skill yet, as it's pretty rare still on our server at least, and I haven't had anyone use it on me, but I'm not too impressed based on what I know of it. We already have stupid crush vigor, and honestly people use the default demon chi-sucking skill (name escapes me) on me in TW all the time and I'm completely unfazed by it. It's so easy to get chi back. And at this point TW's mostly about who's got the most OP weap and armour anyway, so if you can't do decent damage with basic skills you don't have much of a chance of surviving long enough to get your chi back anyway. Not saying that the new chi burn isn't vastly better than those skills or whatever, but eh. I guess I'll wait and see once I have it. Probably helpful against certain classes.
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  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Scorpions suck anyway. Mystic's pets aren't nearly as durable as some veno pets. Although it's easier to bring them back after they die. Also, Invigorate stacks with amp, so there's no problem.

    At least venos don't have to chug mana pots as fast as mystics do.

    you never use switch forms, amp, and alternate lv79 debuff skills huh? b:bye

    bewitch is awesome...
    blazing barrier is awesome...
    natural synergy is awesome...

    soul link...too weak for its cost, too limited uses(would be awesome in pve)
    chi burn...genie, chipots, other skills who actually about cares chi...
    i am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Scorpions suck anyway. Mystic's pets aren't nearly as durable as some veno pets. Although it's easier to bring them back after they die. Also, Invigorate stacks with amp, so there's no problem.

    At least venos don't have to chug mana pots as fast as mystics do.

    Scorpions didn't suck before this new pet. Mystic pets don't need the durability: they're not properly or often used as tanks.

    Mystic doesn't use significantly more MP pots than a Veno. That's an old old rumor people like you perpetuate. Run around doing both Myriads, Ironwood, and Nova without BB every chance you get and tell me Veno doesn't need pots as much. b:chuckle
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    doesnt AEU drop an enhanced version of the damage doll too?
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  • Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    tweakz wrote: »
    Scorpions didn't suck before this new pet. Mystic pets don't need the durability: they're not properly or often used as tanks.

    Mystic doesn't use significantly more MP pots than a Veno. That's an old old rumor people like you perpetuate. Run around doing both Myriads, Ironwood, and Nova without BB every chance you get and tell me Veno doesn't need pots as much. b:chuckle

    My nature's grace only has a 3 minute cooldown. Mystics don't even have a skill to recover their own MP. b:bye
  • akosireann
    akosireann Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    My nature's grace only has a 3 minute cooldown. Mystics don't even have a skill to recover their own MP. b:bye

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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    akosireann wrote: »
    koff''clear thoughts'' koff

    Except that
    1) it takes 20 apocaplypse pages + 10 ink + 1m spirit to learn it
    2) it recovers your current MP + 2k

    Nature's grace has round to 1/4 of the money cost , 1/2 of the spirit cost and recovers 50% of maximun MP.

    But in the end , after lvl 75 i find it weird to talk about MP consuption , and most people get to the 80s way faster that they can think about such problems.


    As for tweakz crazy love for Mystics , we all know that this was the result of his herc becoming obsolete.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Except that
    1) it takes 20 apocaplypse pages + 10 ink + 1m spirit to learn it
    2) it recovers your current MP + 2k

    Nature's grace has round to 1/4 of the money cost , 1/2 of the spirit cost and recovers 50% of maximun MP.

    But in the end , after lvl 75 i find it weird to talk about MP consuption , and most people get to the 80s way faster that they can think about such problems.


    As for tweakz crazy love for Mystics , we all know that this was the result of his herc becoming obsolete.

    Wow money cost, spirit cost? Lets compare cost of pets!b:chuckle

    Nature's Grace only recovers 50%. -Clear thoughts clearly wins.

    Herc isn't obsolete.
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    tweakz wrote: »
    Wow money cost, spirit cost? Lets compare cost of pets!b:chuckle

    Nature's Grace only recovers 50%. -Clear thoughts clearly wins.

    Herc isn't obsolete.

    ok , lets say both toons have 10 Mp , Mystics will recover 2010 , while venos will recover 50% of their max MP ..... next time do you maths

    and as for money and spirit cost , yes it matters on skills that don't worth it. NG is cheaper in every possilbe way and recovers more MO . CT isn't. As for their chan/cast/cooldown , they are similar with same cooldown. Nature's grace is a clear winner and unlike you i actually have source for my arguements. Your twisted mind and opinions aren't on the other hand :)

    Come on , you are butthurt about your herc not being appreciated anymore like it was 2 years ago , don't be so sad about it. Every veno can see that. Also you try to proove that most are "moochbags" (god , words a 7 year-old boy would use) , and most of them are welcome in Nirvanas and Bh and they do their job right.

    more trolling or are you done ?
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  • Doqui - Raging Tide
    Doqui - Raging Tide Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    tweakz wrote: »
    Wow money cost, spirit cost? Lets compare cost of pets!b:chuckle

    Nature's Grace only recovers 50%. -Clear thoughts clearly wins.

    Herc isn't obsolete.

    i haven't used my herc in over a year, it's of 0 use to me.

    therefor it's obsolete, at end-game you are better of tanking yourself
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ok , lets say both toons have 10 Mp , Mystics will recover 2010 , while venos will recover 50% of their max MP ..... next time do you maths

    You remind me of bushwhackers from that man's soap opera. I get ~10k MP from Clear thoughts.
    and as for money and spirit cost , yes it matters on skills that don't worth it. NG is cheaper in every possilbe way and recovers more MO . CT isn't. As for their chan/cast/cooldown , they are similar with same cooldown. Nature's grace is a clear winner and unlike you i actually have source for my arguements. Your twisted mind and opinions aren't on the other hand :)

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  • AshenSkies - Heavens Tear
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    My nature's grace only has a 3 minute cooldown. Mystics don't even have a skill to recover their own MP. b:bye

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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Well m i didn't expect anything better from you tweakz , just the typical inmature offends , with absolutely no base on your arguements.



    You are a waste of time
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  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh, that's embarrassing.

    Yes considering there are 3 MP recovery skills for Mystic. He does love to squeak out his butt.
  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    doesnt AEU drop an enhanced version of the damage doll too?

    yeah its 100% instead of 50%...it might have some uses in group pvp...

    single target + max. damage value + sparkcost make it unattractive imo

    also if the target stealths the doll dissapears so no anti hiding sin skill...
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  • Teiw - Sanctuary
    Teiw - Sanctuary Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    If a Mystic uses Clear Thoughts at full mana, 9000 for example she would recover...

    9000 (current mana) +2000 extra. So I use Clear Thoughts right before I cast the resurrect buffs, and before feeding my summon mana. By the time I finish giving someone a buff and giving my summon mp, mine has refilled itself.

    But, if both the mystic and the veno are at zero when they cast their mp recover skill, the veno skill will recover more mp.


    Also, LOL at Zanryu's post.b:dirty
  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Teiw - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If a Mystic uses Clear Thoughts at full mana, 9000 for example she would recover...

    9000 (current mana) +2000 extra. So I use Clear Thoughts right before I cast the resurrect buffs, and before feeding my summon mana. By the time I finish giving someone a buff and giving my summon mp, mine has refilled itself.

    But, if both the mystic and the veno are at zero when they cast their mp recover skill, the veno skill will recover more mp.


    Also, LOL at Zanryu's post.b:dirty

    ^^agree

    It's really hard to sit there and show this stuff in numbers. All 4 of my casters are Sage which might make a difference. (Both Sage Mystic and Veno get chi on their spam skill ). Wiz gets chi from pyrogram, but also more chi from eruption due to wellspring quaff.

    For grinding 1-1;

    Cleric is worst for MP by far
    Wiz not too bad
    Mystic and Veno are about tied

    For AoE;

    All of them go through MP like crazy doing *proper* AoE, so hard to say.

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