Healing Herb

eldeljea

Hi fellow Mystics,
I wanted to ask you guys if you use the healing herb plant and why not one of the other plants? Because 150hp/2sec seems a bit lame to me compared to the spidervine dmg reduction or creeper attack speed debuff.
b:pleased

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear

I agree that Healing Herb is kinda lame, I personally use (depending on squad) Vital Herb mixed with Befuddling Creeper or Spidervine. The only time I really use Healing Herb is in Caster Nirvana but not very often.

VoItaire - Harshlands

Don't use it. One of the other plants are pretty much always better. Unless you're like in a squad with 3 or 2 mystics and there are classes with debuffs stronger than befuddling then I guess use it.

Brillance - Raging Tide

Its helpful in TW & FC, for that fake BB we are famous for - when people in the squad recognize it and move into its range. If people spread out all over the place, then it doesnt help anymore than a real BB would, lol.

It can also be helpful if something takes Vital Herb out early, and you are waiting out the CD/spark regeneration to recast it. Not as good as Vital Herb obviously, but in a situation where every little bit helps it can make all the difference, especially in situations where you are solo healing.

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Its helpful in TW & FC

Oh dear lord. Healing Herb helpful in TW? I've been to about 4 TWs in my PWI Gaming history (timezone limits this) and not once have I seen a situation where Healing Herb would be helpful. Constant AoEs, R9s and the distance you need to cover. It is not even worth using in FF if you are a solo healer, the damage reduction from Spidervine > Healing Herbs effects when mixed with Vital and Salvation buff if needed/used.

Brillance - Raging Tide

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh dear lord. Healing Herb helpful in TW? I've been to about 4 TWs in my PWI Gaming history (timezone limits this) and not once have I seen a situation where Healing Herb would be helpful. Constant AoEs, R9s and the distance you need to cover. It is not even worth using in FF if you are a solo healer, the damage reduction from Spidervine > Healing Herbs effects when mixed with Vital and Salvation buff if needed/used.

Im taking about our fake BB - using healing herb & vital herb together for anyone that is not familiar. In TW, while camping the opponent's crystal (assuming you get that far), its very helpful in allowing you to attack the crystal while you stand there and dont worry about healing yourself. ^^

It can also help reinforce a Catabarb squad that has made it to the crystal. The Cleric sets up their BB as usual, and while standing inside it, you lay down both healing plants.

You get the benefit of the BBs defense and the continuous healing of the plants - both protecting the Cata & barb and everyone else in the squad. b:victory

P.S. Both plants are great on the big pull in the last room of FC, and also Healing Herb is very helpful on the boss where you have to keep moving around his rings on the floor. There is no way you are going to have Vital Herb ready to place down everytime you need to move, whereas you can easily plop down Healing Herb near the tank everytime you move.

Eoria - Harshlands

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

The Cleric sets up their BB as usual

Any cleric setting up bb when offense isn't totally entrenched in an opponent's base is just setting up a sign that says "hi, please kill me first".

Xaner - Dreamweaver

Healing herb Just the words make me sad... One break in the clouds heals 2x as more and cost less mana.... Healing herb(Lvl 10) should be kind of like Gaia's Blessing-For 60 seconds, party members within a 20 meter area will recover HP every 3 seconds 500HP....... Still lvl 10 Healing herb dies so fast in any aoe boss.... and really.... is kind of pointless unless you just died and went to town then went afk with a healing herb down.... Them maybe when you come back you have 4k Health ?
o and..... Listless Blossom or Spidervine on the crystal

Brillance - Raging Tide

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Any cleric setting up bb when offense isn't totally entrenched in an opponent's base is just setting up a sign that says "hi, please kill me first".

Catabarb squads dont set up BB at all that I have seen, unless they are at the opponents Crystal, which is the context of which I wrote that.

Ive seen as many as 3 squads and clerics pull their Catas inside three ajoined BBs to have one line of protected Catas in their opponents base. I honestly dont know if its more effective in that one line like that, but its done all the time. The Mystics in the squad just do their normal job by adding the extra support in heals of their fake BB to the mix.

Eoria - Harshlands

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Catabarb squads dont set up BB at all that I have seen, unless they are at the opponents Crystal, which is the context of which I wrote that.

There's a difference between "we're on their crystal!!!!1111" and "we're on their crystal and our offense has them camped at their spawnpoint".

Brillance - Raging Tide

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

There's a difference between "we're on their crystal!!!!1111" and "we're on their crystal and our offense has them camped at their spawnpoint".

The words used were when the Mystic is camping the crystal, like when you are part of an Air Squad. And, Mystics are helpful in Catasquads, that also pull up and attack crystals from time to time.

I dont camp spawnpoints ever.

A. Im a little squishy for that - maybe if I had r9?
B. Its a lame tactic, but one used a lot on my server - especially after TW is over.

Eoria - Harshlands

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

The words used were when the Mystic is camping the crystal, like when you are part of an Air Squad. And, Mystics are helpful in Catasquads, that also pull up and attack crystals from time to time.

I dont camp spawnpoints ever.

A. Im a little squishy for that - maybe if I had r9?
B. Its a lame tactic, but one used a lot on my server - especially after TW is over.

Okay. You're dumb. Let me explain to you how to TW.

Go about ~5mins in. That is not the situation to set up bb in. When catas are dying and need heals/buffs, it's important that I get them those heals and buffs rather than spending precious time trying to set up ****ing bb. If I had gone down and set up bb there, I'd have died pretty much instantly and it probably would have taken us another push and I don't know if we could have afforded that for that particular war. It is only ever safe for me to use bb in TW when offense is AOEing and camping their spawnpoint because otherwise it sets me up as a big target and means I can't do any sort of spam healing/buffing/sleeping/SoGing until I cancel it.

As for a mystic, I'd rather they get in front of our catas and spam thicket+Gale Force+plants on major DDs and knockback on BMs coming in to stun+dg or venos coming in to purge and throwing res buffs on people rather than trying to set up healing plants that may or may not be in range/still up 10 seconds from now.

Camping the spawnpoint is pretty much the ultimate offense/defense as it means their members can't get to the catas/clerics meaning their crystal should be down soon enough.

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Okay. You're dumb.

I just had to quote this.

Brillance - Raging Tide

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I just had to quote this.

Yes, but you said you were dumb. b:chuckle

Brillance - Raging Tide

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Okay. You're dumb. Let me explain to you how to TW.

Go about ~5mins in. That is not the situation to set up bb in. When catas are dying and need heals/buffs, it's important that I get them those heals and buffs rather than spending precious time trying to set up ****ing bb. If I had gone down and set up bb there, I'd have died pretty much instantly and it probably would have taken us another push and I don't know if we could have afforded that for that particular war. It is only ever safe for me to use bb in TW when offense is AOEing and camping their spawnpoint because otherwise it sets me up as a big target and means I can't do any sort of spam healing/buffing/sleeping/SoGing until I cancel it.

As for a mystic, I'd rather they get in front of our catas and spam thicket+Gale Force+plants on major DDs and knockback on BMs coming in to stun+dg or venos coming in to purge and throwing res buffs on people rather than trying to set up healing plants that may or may not be in range/still up 10 seconds from now.

Camping the spawnpoint is pretty much the ultimate offense/defense as it means their members can't get to the catas/clerics meaning their crystal should be down soon enough.

Its not the ultimate offence imo. Its the ultimate offence for R9's with no skill maybe. Must be cool stuff when you have 2 r9 factions doing it to each other *shrugs & yawns*

I care as much about how you TW, as you care to read what others are saying in reply to you. That's right! Not at all. Save it for someone who asks for your help thanks. b:bye

Eoria - Harshlands

Other people and guilds not wanting or caring to learn how to properly TW is what basically let the guild I'm in reign over the bloody server for as long as we still cared to.

Also, camping spawnpoints in TW was being done way before r9 ever came out.

Brillance - Raging Tide

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Other people and guilds not wanting or caring to learn how to properly TW is what basically let the guild I'm in reign over the bloody server for as long as we still cared to.

Also, camping spawnpoints in TW was being done way before r9 ever came out.

Thanks Eoria, I stand corrected. Its not the ultimate for any faction in any level gear, imo. Must be cool stuff when 2 any level gear factions do it to each other, especially if their any level gear is comparable.

But, how did instruction on someones opinion of how to TW become part of a thread about healing herb?

I only mentioned TW in how it Healing Herb can be used in TW, which does make me dumb on these forums, I confess. One day I will learn not post here at all. And, especially not to expect any sort of normal conversation when doing so.

Im already learning how to not log into the game, getting quite good at it - so the forums shouldnt be far behind.

Good night, and have fun teaching someone who doesnt need teaching how to TW with healing herb while camping spawnpoints, or some such ****, lol. b:victory

uncleblademaster

Well its useful for more area heal when used with Vital Herb. Other than that.. Yeah its pretty weak on its own. Its also used to heal crystals in TW.