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  • Haila - Sanctuary
    Haila - Sanctuary Posts: 467 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This appears to be an attempt of a +1 for you at this point. You don't seem to get there is no tank. And 95% of the sins can't survive that bleed and will get facerolled. b:chuckle

    5 aps squads usually have a hf bm'er who can tank b:bye
  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »
    5 aps squads usually have a hf bm'er who can tank b:bye

    BM won't take agro from a Sin (unless the sins gear sucks completely). Ever. Rofl. b:bye
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  • Haila - Sanctuary
    Haila - Sanctuary Posts: 467 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    BM won't take agro from a Sin (unless the sins gear sucks completely). Ever. Rofl. b:bye

    Like it is a big deal to get a barb tanking b:bye
  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Like it is a big deal to get a barb tanking b:bye

    Then it's not an APS monkey squad now is it? Going back to my original post.
    /facepalm
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  • Haila - Sanctuary
    Haila - Sanctuary Posts: 467 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Then it's not an APS monkey squad now is it? Going back to my original post.
    /facepalm

    5 aps monkey squads sometimes has barb for devour and buff b:bye

    Last nonsence reply btw, back to game b:laugh
  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »
    5 aps monkey squads sometimes has barb for devour and buff b:bye

    Last nonsence reply btw, back to game b:laugh

    What is this... I don't even...
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What is this... I don't even...

    what i was thinking x.x
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    New bosses aren't hard. You figure out the mechanic, play accordingly and everything is on auto. Basically the bosses are "barb tanks, cleric bb's, dd's don't take agro and don't hit on buff thingy". Grats BH done.

    What people probably complained about was that the mechanics were as random as hell, made no sense and the only way to figure them out was a ton of tedious trial and error. Unlike FCC or Vana, where you were given hints and rewarded for logic and common sense, the new bosses made no sense and rewarded logic with frequent wipes.

    Maybe a new super hard instance that is challenging for r9's would have been better, rather than trying to make a boss that everyone has access to a "challenge".

    Trial and error was what got us through Ancient Evil back in the days. We probably died a lot more from that than this.
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  • ZoracGallant - Raging Tide
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    What's sad is if its a good 5 aps monkey squad (one of the 7 min nirvana squads) they can still kill all the new bosses without any difficulty it's only the 5 aps monkeys that suck that can't do the new ones.
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  • Cody_tylor - Sanctuary
    Cody_tylor - Sanctuary Posts: 248 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What is this... I don't even...

    Face it Jen, it is not just APS squads either... Kitumaru shown it already, his/her group killed the boss before it even buffed itself. The gear is too OP along with the crazy sparking.
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  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Cody_tylor - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Face it Jen, it is not just APS squads either... Kitumaru shown it already, his/her group killed the boss before it even buffed itself. The gear is too OP along with the crazy sparking.

    Yes I saw the Abba video. Everyone knows it's a cakewalk. My main attack was about the SoT boss. You need a High HP Pdefed "tank" in order to kill that. 95% of 5aps monkies don't have that ability.
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  • Haila - Sanctuary
    Haila - Sanctuary Posts: 467 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yes I saw the Abba video. Everyone knows it's a cakewalk. My main attack was about the SoT boss. You need a High HP Pdefed "tank" in order to kill that. 95% of 5aps monkies don't have that ability.

    you have something against 5aps or something b:question
  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yes I saw the Abba video. Everyone knows it's a cakewalk. My main attack was about the SoT boss. You need a High HP Pdefed "tank" in order to kill that. 95% of 5aps monkies don't have that ability.

    95% of players in general don't have that ability, aps or not. It's either a barb or R9 or nothing else. Heck, maybe the new bosses are simply here to promote r9, after all barbs are only 1 class of 10 and you wont always find one.
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Trial and error was what got us through Ancient Evil back in the days. We probably died a lot more from that than this.

    True, but AE wasn't for a daily Bounty Hunter Quest. If World Quest or Crazy Stone back in the day asked me to kill Ancient Evil, I'd be kinda like "wtf O_o". Also Ancient Evil mostly just hit like a truck and required people to gear decently and know their class, rather than having a random *** mechanic.
  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »
    you have something against 5aps or something b:question
    No theres nothing wrong with 5 aps. I'm just tired of people thinking that o look I have 5aps I demand to be able to own everything in this game. Derp.
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    95% of players in general don't have that ability, aps or not. It's either a barb or R9 or nothing else. Heck, maybe the new bosses are simply here to promote r9, after all barbs are only 1 class of 10 and you wont always find one.

    Barbs and a well built BM can do it just fine... I have a non OP BM with only 11k HP Buffed and 24k PDEF pmarrowed and did it without an issue. DD's just have to learn their role that sins aren't always "tanks" anymore. And I'm glad it's requiring more "tank" classes this game was being overrun with idiots who make 5aps sins with +10~12 weapons and **** gear and expect to faceroll everything with 2 hotkeys.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    95% of players in general don't have that ability, aps or not. It's either a barb or R9 or nothing else. Heck, maybe the new bosses are simply here to promote r9, after all barbs are only 1 class of 10 and you wont always find one.



    True, but AE wasn't for a daily Bounty Hunter Quest. If World Quest or Crazy Stone back in the day asked me to kill Ancient Evil, I'd be kinda like "wtf O_o". Also Ancient Evil mostly just hit like a truck and required people to gear decently and know their class, rather than having a random *** mechanic.

    It's not really here to promote R9. If anything, R9 doesn't help as the bleed does not get reduced by the def levels.

    AE wasn't a daily requirement, but for people who farmed for their TT90 stuff, especially the gold axes, they probably did more AE than we do SoT for a few months. The boss didn't just hit hard, it pretty much 1-2 shot anything that wasn't a barb or BM at the time. No amount of "gear decently" at that time could have allowed you to survive AE for long if you weren't a tank class because keep in mind people were farming for TT90 at that level. There were no genies at the time either. IIRC, the boss also had frontal AOE, nasty self buffs, and random aggro. SoT boss has no AOE or random aggro. I'd say he's a lot more predictable than AE.
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  • _Petal_ - Harshlands
    _Petal_ - Harshlands Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Nana_PL - Raging Tide wrote: »
    FC.. so many people QQing about power leveling. Well PWI didnt tell u to create alts and plevel them in fc since lvl 10, it's a personal choice if u want to do it.

    They haven't done anything to FIX that, either. A cap at 75 would solve everything. The issue is, they WANT you to level to 100 in a few days to spend a car's worth of money on Rank gear, get bored---rinse, wash, repeat.

    Not solving this is not only making them oodles of money, but it's slowly choking the life out of this community and the game itself. If they fixed this issue, the community would have a chance of recovering. Areas for questing may actually be filled with players again. New players may actually have others to work with. This will rejuvenate people's faith in this company again.

    Thus far, they haven't given people much reason TO put faith in them, what with the way they've handled things.
    Nana_PL - Raging Tide wrote: »
    like I said before, they havent forced anyone to pay thousands of dollars on this game, its a personal choice. The game is still free to play and its your choice whether u want to pay or not.

    Oh yes, they have.
    They've raised token prices, and crippled canny prices to the point where, in time, farmers will no longer farm with decent profit. Twilight Temple has been dead for ages thanks to Rank 9. Why go for Nirvana when you can whip out your credit card for something much more powerful?

    As a Psychic in TT99, who is entirely F2P, this is basically a death sentence to my character. I was making a Venomancer to farm Nirvana. What will I do now? Cannies may become so cheap that nobody will runs squads for it anymore, or worse.

    They're twisting people's arms into getting Rank by making every single other alternative an ENORMOUS annoyance, therefore forcing people to give up out of sheer frustration---and that's the entire point.
    You'll get annoyed that Bob keeps kicking your @ss even though you work hard on your gear, and he swiped his credit card. You'll either quit this game, or you'll give in, and buy the same gear as Bob.

    People take high refined/high aps characters, which are made mostly of cash shoppers in the first place, to instances---including the new bosses. People who worked hard for their gear and have lower refines barely get squads for the new instances, unless they're lucky enough to be in a faction (Like Mayhem on Harshlands) to do weekly runs for people with lower gear/refines.
    It doesn't matter if the bosses are cakewalks for people with average gear. All people care about is how FAST these runs are, and that's all that matters. As long as people have this mentality, there is no healing this game.

    It is possible for PWE to ween players off this sort of thinking with some tweaks to bosses and instances, but, like the 'Goon Glitch, FC capping, and APS nurfing, are so terrified to loose paying players, that they will refuse to do this.


    I do like how this game is sticking (actual) tanks back into the game, but as long as 5aps is there with no (ACTUAL) nurf, or these tank classes get a (real) aggro skill that can keep aggro for more than a few minutes without having to spend on R9, this game will continue to remain broken.

    This game's not dead...at least not yet. But it's got a pretty low pulse, and at this rate, it won't be long before it gets set off life support. There's a difference between making people happy, and making a majority of your playerbase happy---and the second one is the one that makes the difference.
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