Aps nurfed or damage nurfed?

SoulFeast - Harshlands
SoulFeast - Harshlands Posts: 77 Arc User
edited May 2012 in General Discussion
i couldn't find anything in forums saying about the APS nurfed or damage, so here am i asking.

is Aps nurfed? Cuz its not just me but many friends feel that 4 aps looks like 2.86/3.33 and 5.0 looks like 4.0, When we press C is everything normal But if we look at the speed between our atacks its weird.

Ty for answer ~
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  • KrittyCat - Dreamweaver
    KrittyCat - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,273 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    You may be paranoid... not saying that's the case, but just throwing it out there as a definite possibility.b:chuckle
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    2.86 looks awful slow on my Barb too.

    TBH, I don't think 5.0 is really 4.0. however, I think they DID reduce APS. 4.0 no longer permasparks on my Sin, who is 4.0 base. 4.0 is more like 3.86 now. 5.0 is more like 4.5.

    But, that's just how I see it.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    What is this "nurfed"?
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  • Paulrogers - Harshlands
    Paulrogers - Harshlands Posts: 653 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    SoulFeast - Harshlands wrote: »
    i couldn't find anything in forums saying about the APS nurfed or damage, so here am i asking.

    is Aps nurfed? Cuz its not just me but many friends feel that 4 aps looks like 2.86/3.33 and 5.0 looks like 4.0, When we press C is everything normal But if we look at the speed between our atacks its weird.

    Ty for answer ~

    I never really thought there was a difference between 4-5 or even 3.33-5 graphics and speed wise I always thought once you go past a point it just means it delays more aka the damage ticks up on your screen for longer after you stopped.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Lol and BH metal is harder, and he turns you into frogs, and BH SoT boss hits 30k per shot, and aps is still best on new bosses, and Lunar is free now.- Can we stop with the BS already?
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  • VenusArmani - Dreamweaver
    VenusArmani - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,009 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    They reduced the accuracy of people who are 4.0 or higher, a long time ago honestly.
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  • Cody_tylor - Sanctuary
    Cody_tylor - Sanctuary Posts: 248 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    2.86 looks awful slow on my Barb too.

    TBH, I don't think 5.0 is really 4.0. however, I think they DID reduce APS. 4.0 no longer permasparks on my Sin, who is 4.0 base. 4.0 is more like 3.86 now. 5.0 is more like 4.5.

    But, that's just how I see it.

    APS on a barb too... Especially with this update... It's time to stop using fists / claws on barbs and archers now unless you want to cause squad wipes.
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  • G_tar_God - Dreamweaver
    G_tar_God - Dreamweaver Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    They reduced the accuracy of people who are 4.0 or higher, a long time ago honestly.

    Alotta ppl keep sayin this, but they failed on that part durin the expansion. It never got implemented. If u go bak to the first Decent patch note, the APS nerf was taken out of it xD
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    G_tar_God - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Alotta ppl keep sayin this, but they failed on that part durin the expansion. It never got implemented. If u go bak to the first Decent patch note, the APS nerf was taken out of it xD

    astarelle tested it, its there, just not very noticeable, especially for those with a lot of dex or who use +50 acc rings
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  • Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    astarelle tested it, its there, just not very noticeable, especially for those with a lot of dex or who use +50 acc rings

    Also, since aps is primarily used in pve, the accruacy nerf doesn't matter one bit. All you have to do is hit a mob with a physical defense debuff (any kind, doesn't matter) and all of a sudden the mob has 0 evasion until it dies. So yeah. Fat lot of good that did. b:sweat
  • VenusArmani - Dreamweaver
    VenusArmani - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,009 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    gonna leave this here

    genotypist wrote: »
    Hey guys. I wanted to chime in with a clarification.

    The APS damage and accuracy reduction is not reflected on your character panel. You will only see an appreciable change by checking your combat log below and above 4.0 APS.

    Equip gear to get yourself to 4.0 aps and start attacking. You'll suddenly see a string of 'misses' roughly 20% of the time, on top of any innate miss chance you have. Sorry if this wasn't communicated better, but you will not be able to verify this feature by simply looking at your character screen.

    Anyone know if PWI ever said anything beyond this? This is the last thing I saw.
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  • Fail_BM - Raging Tide
    Fail_BM - Raging Tide Posts: 929 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    tweakz wrote: »
    Lol and BH metal is harder, and he turns you into frogs, and BH SoT boss hits 30k per shot, and aps is still best on new bosses, and Lunar is free now.- Can we stop with the BS already?

    Is this true...?
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  • Aboodd - Dreamweaver
    Aboodd - Dreamweaver Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Is this true...?

    No, it's still 3mil per run, with one essence of defense dropping per path (all 3 final bosses in each pass have a 100% chance to drop one). Also, no weapon molds drop (at least in the one run i tested).
  • Lheowyn - Harshlands
    Lheowyn - Harshlands Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Ya I noticed it to. Can't be the accuracy as I hardly miss. I notice taken 1 more spark to kill bosses that should take 2 to kill. Friend claimed to of lost agro other day to wizard. I not complain about it. Barbs are hard find. If people complain enough to devs an we get nurfed
    anymore then casters will **** because sins can't hold agro an die more. I'm just lettings cards play out. Casters gettings faster an aps is slowing done
  • Kristina_t - Heavens Tear
    Kristina_t - Heavens Tear Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Actually casters love to watch sins die b:victory
  • _Ghoul_ - Lost City
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City Posts: 973 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    this is a good thing oO
  • DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    As much as I don't really care if it's true or not, they should've mentioned it in the patch notes instead of sneaking it in.

    Im telling you all, in the course of a few months people will complain about channeling speed b:chuckle
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  • Toliman - Raging Tide
    Toliman - Raging Tide Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    As much as I don't really care if it's true or not, they should've mentioned it in the patch notes instead of sneaking it in.

    Im telling you all, in the course of a few months people will complain about channeling speed b:chuckle

    I think they just fixed bugged APS melee as it should be done in previous patches.
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  • SoulFeast - Harshlands
    SoulFeast - Harshlands Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Well since i reach a way to get 5 aps using r9 daggers i tested 5 aps many times before the New content, it was really looking 5 aps, but now 5 aps looks like 4 aps for me, maybe is just how it looks.

    if anyone know anything or any thread about it let me know here plox.

    Well i didn't notice the damage reduce,but the speed per atack for sure
    i'm still killing fast enought to notice the damage.

    Originally Posted by genotypist
    Hey guys. I wanted to chime in with a clarification.

    The APS damage and accuracy reduction is not reflected on your character panel. You will only see an appreciable change by checking your combat log below and above 4.0 APS.

    If this is true and they didn't let us know..thats stupid from PWI staff
  • Toliman - Raging Tide
    Toliman - Raging Tide Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    SoulFeast - Harshlands wrote: »
    ...

    If this is true and they didn't let us know..thats stupid from PWI staff

    This is message had been made 02-15-2012, 03:12 PM:
    genotypist wrote: »
    Hey guys. I wanted to chime in with a clarification.

    The APS damage and accuracy reduction is not reflected on your character panel. You will only see an appreciable change by checking your combat log below and above 4.0 APS.

    Equip gear to get yourself to 4.0 aps and start attacking. You'll suddenly see a string of 'misses' roughly 20% of the time, on top of any innate miss chance you have. Sorry if this wasn't communicated better, but you will not be able to verify this feature by simply looking at your character screen.

    If you can see it 3 months later, then it work now.
  • SoulFeast - Harshlands
    SoulFeast - Harshlands Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »
    This is message had been made 02-15-2012, 03:12 PM:

    Thats why i'm asking the thread of it if there is any .
  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Off-topic, but congrats on 105, Soul! :D
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  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    yes once your aps is above 4.0 your damage is nerfed 5% and your accuracy is dropped 20%. You will miss 1/5 times guaranteed as a Null damage. (not a miss or anything just like a DoT damage doesn't show in log.)
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  • SoulFeast - Harshlands
    SoulFeast - Harshlands Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    off : Thank you Eo ;3

    Hm nice, But what about less atack per second after this new content, do you know anything about it ?

    When we press C it still is the same but if you look at your character speed it looks lower than it was >< i'm not paranoic
  • WnbTank - Archosaur
    WnbTank - Archosaur Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I was gonna say my sin deals less dph than before, which might be true but I noticed warsong dinos on metal path to snake bless themselves with dmg reduction, which could account for my lack of dph. And as it was that BH I noticed the lack of DPH, would account for it. I noticed lunar solo mode had it`s bosses hp increased from 500k to 700k+, took me a spark longer to kill em.
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  • MrBeBo - Heavens Tear
    MrBeBo - Heavens Tear Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I've noticed that my BM 5.0 is still regaining chi at the same rate, but when I spark, it does seem a little bit slower.... I don't think it's enough of a difference to make a huge difference in farming or anything but meh..... it's whatever :3
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  • maocchi
    maocchi Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I also noticed speed reduction in animation, but not in actual APS.
    I also noticed the animation, while slower, seems smoother (whereas it used to be a bit choppy before). Maybe they had small upgrade to their graphic engine or something.
  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    yes once your aps is above 4.0 your damage is nerfed 5% and your accuracy is dropped 20%. You will miss 1/5 times guaranteed as a Null damage. (not a miss or anything just like a DoT damage doesn't show in log.)

    I'm no math expert at all, but wouldn't having 1 in 5 attacks nullified result in 20% less dps for a 5.0 user? And then since you lose 5% on top, you'd actually hit less at 5.0 than if you were simply 4.0?

    Not sure I believe that. I have a sage 4.0 bm and a demon 5.0 bm (shared gear) and the difference is very much noticeable. My demon shreds things but my sage takes rather longer to burn down a mobs hp.
  • Gnip - Raging Tide
    Gnip - Raging Tide Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Not sure for others, but I have noticed on my sin as well. I believe it is the nerf mentioned before about the 1/5 missing. They basically negate that attack all together. So essentially you are correct. And this explains the 20% drop in damage. Hope this helps.
  • Valirah - Sanctuary
    Valirah - Sanctuary Posts: 522 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    maocchi wrote: »
    I also noticed speed reduction in animation, but not in actual APS.
    I also noticed the animation, while slower, seems smoother (whereas it used to be a bit choppy before). Maybe they had small upgrade to their graphic engine or something.

    Noticed this too during CoA this week. I think they just capped the max animation speed a bit lower. Pretty sure it's just a gfx thing and actual DPS has been uneffected.

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