in weapon: Stone of the Savant or Diamond of Tiger?

Akaichan - Raging Tide
Akaichan - Raging Tide Posts: 16 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Psychic
-channeling or attack level?
I always played cleric and recently in a discussion with friends we couldn't decide whether it should be Stone of the Savant built in the weapon which gives -3 channelling, or Diamond of Tiger, which gives Attack level +1.
Thank you for your answers!!!! b:thanksb:thanks
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  • DemansPsy - Lost City
    DemansPsy - Lost City Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Akaichan - Raging Tide wrote: »
    -channeling or attack level?
    I always played cleric and recently in a discussion with friends we couldn't decide whether it should be Stone of the Savant built in the weapon which gives -3 channelling, or Diamond of Tiger, which gives Attack level +1.
    Thank you for your answers!!!! b:thanksb:thanks

    Both of those are terrible choices to put in a psy wep. -chan does virtually nothing, a sapphire gem will give far more attack damage increase than a DoT and a +ccit shard is just slightly better than a dot, go for a sapphire shard. If it were any other magic class other than psy, -chan shard would be an option
    full 3r9 +11/12 (still using immac shards though) w/o CSing, leveled to 105 spaming pv, yes i have no life =D
  • Vancore - Sanctuary
    Vancore - Sanctuary Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    what he said
    Federation of United Casters Keeping Others From Failing And
    Positively Succeeding (Taken from SkogDyr of Lost City)
  • Erryne - Sanctuary
    Erryne - Sanctuary Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Adding to what has been already been said, DoT are only good in armors to go full damage route, in weapon you pretty much nerf the base damage on which everything multiply on.

    Primeval, while I did read someone thinking on them doing good in weapon, I still think that with enough crit gears, the difference is too little to matter to an arcane compared to the lowered base damage.

    Savant... for psychic? I have a tendancy to start ranting loudly whever someone bring -channel gear on psy. Not the kind that come on endgame as bonus, the kind that are mdef neck/belt with only -chan on them. Yes, there is a few spells which could use the -chan, but these are the less used and all the more commonly used one got next to nothing channel time and huge casting time(this one cannot be reduced). Psy were made for fastest spell speed, at the cost of barely being able to improve it.
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Akaichan - Raging Tide wrote: »
    -channeling or attack level?
    I always played cleric and recently in a discussion with friends we couldn't decide whether it should be Stone of the Savant built in the weapon which gives -3 channelling, or Diamond of Tiger, which gives Attack level +1.
    Thank you for your answers!!!! b:thanksb:thanks

    Leave these forums and never come back you outrageous son of a bi***.
    I <3 AGOREY
  • Syfo - Dreamweaver
    Syfo - Dreamweaver Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    Leave these forums and never come back you outrageous son of a bi***.

    Longknife be nice xD
    i also was like b:shocked when i read this
    but just gotta help them out.

    Something to add that i didnt see,
    dont need DoT on wep
    cuz we already have so many atk lvls compared to other classes
    with BV+gear so wasting a DoT on wep is kinda crazy
    when sapphire shards would give you better dmg.
    So atk lvls we got down ;)

    Also agree on psy not needing -chan much,
    ive seen a psy with like -36 chan and could barely even notice the difference
    when i have like -16 chan i think
    just thought id show you an example of - chan on psys.
    - chan would better suit a wizzy for example having one of the slowest chan out there.
  • shotwhointhewhat
    shotwhointhewhat Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    Leave these forums and never come back you outrageous son of a bi***.

    *Caution* Internet tough guy on the loose!
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    shotwhointhewhat wrote: »
    *Caution* Internet tough guy on the loose!

    My internet muscles are the size of my head.
    I <3 AGOREY
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    My internet muscles are the size of my head.

    He's overall knowledge of the class is legit.
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »
    He's overall knowledge of the class is legit.

    Lol'd.


    It's astounding how many people put DoT's/savants in their weapon on private servers (a lot on pwi too, but not everyone can afford it here). Always nice seeing those blue sparkles on a weapon screaming ''Hey guys, I'm new here!''.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    before reading this thread i was ok.
    now i want to vomit.

    if you can afford a flawless sapphire use that instead of DoT
    if you can afford a shabby sapphire use that instead of savant
    you only purge once #yopo
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    There has to be something that makes Psy forums happy.... like bunnies.... or ponies..
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  • Vancore - Sanctuary
    Vancore - Sanctuary Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »
    There has to be something that makes Psy forums happy.... like bunnies.... or ponies..

    *** ponies now and forever b:angry long live Optimus Primeb:victory
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    Positively Succeeding (Taken from SkogDyr of Lost City)
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Vancore - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *** ponies now and forever b:angry long live Optimus Primeb:victory

    dis guy knows his ****
  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Vancore - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *** ponies now and forever b:angry long live Optimus Primeb:victory

    Dont know if serious...
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Dont know if serious...

    in the words of this immortal lankoe

    yo mama b:victory
  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Which stones you place in your weapon depends first and foremost, on your playstyle... Second on your overall gear and what you are looking to have as a target for your gear set...

    I myself have 1 Savant Stone in my own weapon... It is the Sage / R6 Weapon you can get through the Messenger of Sages at L.90... Underworld Sovereign... The weapon itself already has it's own -10% channeling and 18-19 magic (mine has 18 qq), and for that reason I placed 1 G12 Sapphire (+100 mgc atk) and 1 Savant Stone (-3% channeling). I feel these two stones compliment this particular weapon quite nicely, and I have had no regrets in having set this weapon up in this manner. I have of course had plenty of, *cough* "compliments".

    If I had the Psychic Soul Drill for instance, I would likely place again 1 G12 Sapphire (+100 mgc atk) but would place 1 Primeval Stone (+1% crit rate) in order to keep to what would compliment that particular weapon. I might even be inclined to shard this one with 2 Primeval Stones.

    The Attack Level stones might be good if you have an overall "theme" of attack levels throughout your gear, where as added attack levels even in small contribution would compliment your character and playstyle. If you do not at least have r8+, nirvy second cast, or r9 sets with their attack level bonuses and about half if not more attack level stones in your gears, I would not suggest attack levels in your weapon then.

    Defense level stones I see the same way as attack level stones in your weapon.

    It is most common that sapphire shards are used in a psy's weapon.
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  • T_i_m - Dreamweaver
    T_i_m - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    The Attack Level stones might be good if you have an overall "theme" of attack levels throughout your gear,

    No. Flawless sapphire shards are barely worse than DoT's if you rate DoT's as adding 1% damage each (which they don't, particularly after fb blessing, voodoos, r9 bonuses, etc). Higher than flawless, DoT's don't stand a chance. There is no reason to ever put DoT's in your weapon.
  • Hellzbells - Harshlands
    Hellzbells - Harshlands Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    T_i_m - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    No. Flawless sapphire shards are barely worse than DoT's if you rate DoT's as adding 1% damage each (which they don't, particularly after fb blessing, voodoos, r9 bonuses, etc). Higher than flawless, DoT's don't stand a chance. There is no reason to ever put DoT's in your weapon.

    Pretty blue glow?
  • Arctix - Dreamweaver
    Arctix - Dreamweaver Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    saphire shards giv the best glow but all know DoT armour ice spikes r the best
  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    T_i_m - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    No. Flawless sapphire shards are barely worse than DoT's if you rate DoT's as adding 1% damage each (which they don't, particularly after fb blessing, voodoos, r9 bonuses, etc). Higher than flawless, DoT's don't stand a chance. There is no reason to ever put DoT's in your weapon.

    http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Damage#Attack_and_Defense_Levels

    Know your equations
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  • VoItaire - Harshlands
    VoItaire - Harshlands Posts: 1,033 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Arctix - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    saphire shards giv the best glow but all know DoT armour ice spikes r the best

    Mana shards too. :3
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  • T_i_m - Dreamweaver
    T_i_m - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Damage#Attack_and_Defense_Levels

    Know your equations

    Now, apply them!


    Attack levels provide diminishing returns, but the appropriate shard will add directly to damage dealt for a constant return.
  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    T_i_m - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Now, apply them!


    Attack levels provide diminishing returns, but the appropriate shard will add directly to damage dealt for a constant return.

    based on that graph, still looks like +atk levels adds up nicely... is the reason r9 is qq'd about so much by the non-r9's...

    ps. omg, and lol... do i smell a goon glitched 105? b:question
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »
    Mana shards too. :3
    yeah mana shards are a ***** to find
    Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    based on that graph, still looks like +atk levels adds up nicely... is the reason r9 is qq'd about so much by the non-r9's...

    ps. omg, and lol... do i smell a goon glitched 105? b:question

    It's been proven many times that Dots in weapons suck. Don't go to the "omg goon glitch 105" tactic every time you're proved wrong
  • VoItaire - Harshlands
    VoItaire - Harshlands Posts: 1,033 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Guys guys, it's really not much of a contest between sapphire or tigers. Attack lvls are nice and all, but they're incredibly inferior once you consider that they don't affect one vital spell for pissing off your opponents. That skill is bubble of life. b:victory

    But seriously Apostasy, people qq about r9, but not because of 2 attack lvls. Do they even multiply like sapphs do?
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    ps. omg, and lol... do i smell a goon glitched 105? b:question

    I smell something nasty too, and it's coming from your mouth.

    Stop talking ****.
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  • Hellzbells - Harshlands
    Hellzbells - Harshlands Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I smell something nasty too, and it's coming from your mouth.

    Stop talking ****.

    I'm back bishes!!!
  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »
    Attack lvls are nice and all. But seriously Apostasy, people qq about r9, but not because of 2 attack lvls. Do they even multiply like sapphs do?

    In reply to this, seriously. My initial post basicly said it all my intial reply to this thread. Everyone taking my statement of considering +1 Atk Lvl Stones out of context, it becomes trolled into a conversation of merely 2 such stones in one's weapon versus 2 sapphires. Which is not at all what I stated.

    It is a matter of the combat equations being based on 4 things... If you are attacking, your magic damage and attack levels (which includes your character level) versus your opponent's resist and defense levels... where atk lvls vs def lvls becomes a major factor... This is the reason why R9 gears are as powerful as they are, compared against all other sets still to this day. And what is the major difference between the full R9 set and all other sets that have bonuses? Atk and Def lvls. You can literally create a non-R9 set combination that has better outright stats, and why will you still have to work harder against an R9 than they will against you? Atk and Def lvls. Again it is as I stated in my initial post linked above.
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I smell something nasty too, and it's coming from your mouth.
    Stop talking ****.
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »
    It's been proven many times that Dots in weapons suck. Don't go to the "omg goon glitch 105" tactic every time you're proved wrong
    So both of you can believe whatever you wish, and others may follow suit with these two that wish to... SpazzMcAps = T_i_m b:question
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    In reply to this, seriously. My initial post basicly said it all my intial reply to this thread.

    Oh, I missed the part where you have a weapon with -10% channeling and +310mp...

    ...and 1 savant...

    ...on a psychic.
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  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh, I missed the part where you have a weapon with -10% channeling and +310mp...

    ...and 1 savant...

    ...on a psychic.

    come show me how a level 100 psy pks baby b:kiss b:chuckle b:bye
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