BP for archers

Nenor - Dreamweaver

unceuncerave wrote: »

Youre method requires you using a crappy g12 FF fist. Try again.



You dont seem to grasp the 105 str with green stats only (under 105 with white stats) before gear changes.

Sorry i have 97 base str and i can use deicides.(3.33 base-5/sparked only)

Rank 8 top
TT99 LA legs/arms boots
Springrush amulet, chaos
Warsong barrier, void
Rank 8 Generals ring
Band from heavens jail
Lunar Glade cape
Forest wisdoms helm (G13)
Turning the tide tome (yep i farmed it)

http://pwcalc.com/90dbe64267fb97cb

unceuncerave

Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sorry i have 97 base str and i can use deicides.(3.33 base-5/sparked only)

Rank 8 top
TT99 LA legs/arms boots
Springrush amulet, chaos
Warsong barrier, void
Rank 8 Generals ring
Band from heavens jail
Lunar Glade cape
Forest wisdoms helm (G13)
Turning the tide tome (yep i farmed it)

http://pwcalc.com/90dbe64267fb97cb

That's not a pure. :>
When you gear swap back to bow usage you'll exceed 104~105 str. Also an idiot for using deicides over crappy G12 FC. nirvana those and get blood vengeance or revenge on it.

Nenor - Dreamweaver

unceuncerave wrote: »

That's not a pure. :>
When you gear swap back to bow usage you'll exceed 104~105 str. Also an idiot for using deicides over crappy G12 FC. nirvana those and get blood vengeance or revenge on it.

Wait, your saying not pure if you have OVER 104-105 str in one post:
Quote/
From the get-go your stats for 104~105 str will be green before any changes of gear.
Unquote/

And mine is base 97.

I think you just want to argue.
Fail more.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

unceuncerave wrote: »

You dont seem to grasp the 105 str with green stats only (under 105 with white stats) before gear changes.
Use this for your base and without spending 15mil+ per ring engrave or 300+mil for a tome swap get the minimum of 146 str.
http://pwcalc.com/3bfc3589da6e438f

http://pwcalc.com/47b3f31c27f2507a
can i get a cookie? rings engravings shouldnt be that hard

Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wait, your saying not pure if you have OVER 104-105 str in one post:
Quote/
From the get-go your stats for 104~105 str will be green before any changes of gear.
Unquote/

And mine is base 97.

I think you just want to argue.
Fail more.

almost sure he wants to be able to have a bow on with any gear combo and dont have an extra point of str :b also, it's funny that he dares to argue about purity and his base build has 5 mag, 5 vit LOL

unceuncerave

Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wait, your saying not pure if you have OVER 104-105 str in one post:
Quote/
From the get-go your stats for 104~105 str will be green before any changes of gear.
Unquote/

And mine is base 97.

I think you just want to argue.
Fail more.

Read my post correctly. That means in Bow gear your stats will be 104~105 GREEN str before you swap out gear to use fist/claws. Use some brain cells I know you have some.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://pwcalc.com/47b3f31c27f2507a
can i get a cookie? rings engravings shouldnt be that hard

Problem with your theory is you can't wear that hat with a bow unless you plan on sharding and refining two hats.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

almost sure he wants to be able to have a bow on with any gear combo and dont have an extra point of str :b also, it's funny that he dares to argue about purity and his base build has 5 mag, 5 vit LOL

Btw it doesnt matter since those would go into dex on the calc? I have 3 base ingame.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

He's saying you're not pure if you haven't restatted every possible point over the bare minimum into dex.

Nenor - Dreamweaver

unceuncerave wrote: »

Read my post correctly. That means in Bow gear your stats will be 104~105 GREEN str before you swap out gear to use fist/claws. Use some brain cells I know you have some.

OK, why (lets say i have 50 str for example on my gear add-ons) would the add-ons I have for gear affect my BUILD.
My stat points are my stat points. My gear add-ons are just that GEAR add-ons.
my BUILD is pure dex... my ADD-Ons give me the ability to use claws (plus wear the uni helm).

The bottom line is i have 97 str and I can still use claws as a weapon when and if i choose to.


almost sure he wants to be able to have a bow on with any gear combo and dont have an extra point of str :b also, it's funny that he dares to argue about purity and his base build has 5 mag, 5 vit LOL


i haven't got a reset note for those, take donations if you want to buy one for me, send to me in mail in game
But the point is those could still be removed without affecting anything to do with the str.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »

OK, why (lets say i have 50 str for example on my gear add-ons) would the add-ons I have for gear affect my BUILD.
My stat points are my stat points. My gear add-ons are just that GEAR add-ons.
my BUILD is pure dex... my ADD-Ons give me the ability to use claws (plus wear the uni helm).

The bottom line is i have 97 str and I can still use claws as a weapon when and if i choose to.

pss, you are not pure unless you have 3 green vit b:avoid

unceuncerave

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

He's saying you're not pure if you haven't restatted every possible point over the bare minimum into dex.

Ding ding ding. We have a Winner!

Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »

OK, why (lets say i have 50 str for example on my gear add-ons) would the add-ons I have for gear affect my BUILD.
My stat points are my stat points. My gear add-ons are just that GEAR add-ons.
my BUILD is pure dex... my ADD-Ons give me the ability to use claws (plus wear the uni helm).

The bottom line is i have 97 str and I can still use claws as a weapon when and if i choose to.

You dont get it. facepalm

Quilue - Sanctuary

....just use a strength tome and swap out 2 rings...

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i haven't got a reset note for those, take donations if you want to buy one for me, send to me in mail in game
But the point is those could still be removed without affecting anything to do with the str.

i was talking about unc' pwcalc build btw, not urs

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

....just use a strength tome.

no, according to his rules you cannot use a 300mil tome swap as i did here:
http://pwcalc.com/84e12f6e7454e513

unceuncerave wrote: »

Youre method requires you using a crappy g12 FF fist. Try again.



You dont seem to grasp the 105 str with green stats only (under 105 with white stats) before gear changes.
Use this for your base and without spending 15mil+ per ring engrave or 300+mil for a tome swap get the minimum of 146 str.
http://pwcalc.com/3bfc3589da6e438f

unceuncerave

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

....just use a strength tome.

So basicly you're saying.... Shell out 300+?mil I believe it is for a str tome with enough combined with the rings and belt to carry you over 146 for the weapon? Why not just make a damn fishstick at this point is what I'm getting at about archers having BP.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i was talking about unc' pwcalc build btw, not urs

btw calc points would trade over to dex so not wasting an extra 10 seconds on that. I have 3 ingame :P

no, according to his rules you cannot use a 300mil tome swap as i did here:
http://pwcalc.com/84e12f6e7454e513

Ninja'd

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

unceuncerave wrote: »

So basicly you're saying.... Shell out 300+?mil I believe it is for a str tome with enough combined with the rings and belt to carry you over 146 for the weapon? Why not just make a damn fishstick at this point is what I'm getting at about archers having BP.

or realise that the impact of a few extra points isnt that important :b

it's funny when you have a problem with refining/sharding an extra hat but not a problem with refining/sharding (at least) an extra chest

unceuncerave

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

or realise that the impact of a few extra points isnt that important :b

If that's not the case why is everyone wanting 105 so bad for those few extra stat points. And correct me if im wrong his 97 str is 17 more then the 85 base from a lunar cape+LUAD(not figuring r9 and nirvana capes atm). Thats almost a crit % right there + 17 dex can add more damage then you think.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

unceuncerave wrote: »

If that's not the case why is everyone wanting 105 so bad for those few extra stat points. And correct me if im wrong his 97 str is 17 more then the 85 base from a lunar cape(not figuring r9 and lunar capes atm). Thats almost a crit % right there + 17 dex can add more damage then you think.

personally i want to get higher than 101 for genie skill combos, not skill points (and have seen a lot of posts saying the same). but it's definitely a trade-off; a tiny bit less ranged dmg for way more in bosses with your the class you love

Quilue - Sanctuary

and swap out some stupid rings, use the crappy FF fists, whatever. I wasn't even thinking of a 45 str tome.

In the end, all that matters is if you can afford a R9+12 bow and have 500+ dex right? Who cares how much extra strength you have as long as you can just farm comfortably to reach that goal?

Why make a sin and spend a bunch of money on R8, 2nd cast legs, 1st cast daggers, blah blah blah when you could just do this.

With archer, whatever you invest in the archer stays on the archer. I can refine the R9 pieces and cape high because I'd wear that anyway. Helm and R8 chest can remain unrefined and still keep a comfortable 10k+ hp buffed, which is fine for PvE.

With fish, you'd have to refine the leggings and chest to some decent levels at least unless you want to die a lot, yet it would all be just for farm and you don't even wear that on the archer. It all depends on how much you want to be farming and I guess how much you enjoy playing a sin. If you want to farm during 2x until your eyes bleed or if you simply want to play a fish too, maybe making a fish is worth it. Otherwise it's not really necessary.

Yuji_Sakai - Harshlands

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

personally i want to get higher than 101 for genie skill combos, not skill points (and have seen a lot of posts saying the same). but it's definitely a trade-off; a tiny bit less ranged dmg for way more in bosses with your the class you love

^ Tru Dat

Nenor - Dreamweaver

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

personally i want to get higher than 101 for genie skill combos, not skill points (and have seen a lot of posts saying the same). but it's definitely a trade-off; a tiny bit less ranged dmg for way more in bosses with your the class you love

Is a personal goal of mine to get to 105 without using hypers/fcing.
I don't pvp/pk/or tw. All my gear was farmed, but for the lunar cape, which i farmed for the coin, then bought from a catshop.
I don't think its a bad set up for someone that doesn't use cs for gears.

BTW the build was to wear the g13 uni helm i farmed, not for the claws. The claws were just a perk that came with having the str to wear the helm.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

unceuncerave wrote: »

If that's not the case why is everyone wanting 105 so bad for those few extra stat points. And correct me if im wrong his 97 str is 17 more then the 85 base from a lunar cape+LUAD(not figuring r9 and nirvana capes atm). Thats almost a crit % right there + 17 dex can add more damage then you think.

The reason for 105 so much is 1 for sins stealth and 2 for other classes using dect pots to see sins in stealth.

unceuncerave

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

The reason for 105 so much is 1 for sins stealth and 2 for other classes using dect pots to see sins in stealth.

Unless you got the rare event detect apoth you still cant see 105 archers and sins.

And I'm trolling the fact he was claiming to be "pure" which hes not. Sure you have to spend more coin on a fish (not much compared to your other options of gear swapping). Also figure sins can do more DPS and since they get BP little to no charm ticks.

And I dont know about you but I had all my gear my sin could use before r9 came out. Only thing I had to pay for was a r8 chest (76mil for gold and chestplate) and nirvana dags (around 200mil for +10 garnet and mats)

Olbaze - Sanctuary

unceuncerave wrote: »

If that's not the case why is everyone wanting 105 so bad for those few extra stat points. And correct me if im wrong his 97 str is 17 more then the 85 base from a lunar cape+LUAD(not figuring r9 and nirvana capes atm). Thats almost a crit % right there + 17 dex can add more damage then you think.

Simple. It's the assassins.

Any assassin that is 105 has the legitimate option of being invisible to just about everyone else.

That coupled with most sins preferring to faceroll in PvP, that has lead to plenty of people being killed by sins that do Advanced Spark -> Headhunt -> Auto Attack from stealth.

Also there's the damage reduction. When your opponent is 3 levels higher you, e.g. if you're 102 against a 105, you an additional 10% damage penalty.

The stats are mostly irrelevant for any non-Archer/Assassin class, as those two would have the prospect of getting additional crit percentages from that.

Quilue - Sanctuary

unceuncerave wrote: »

Unless you got the rare event detect apoth you still cant see 105 archers and sins.

Get them from Blood Theater.

unceuncerave

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Get them from Blood Theater.

That's 30 detect not 31. Again use your brain.

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/26659

They had a one time event for 31 detection apoth.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

unceuncerave wrote: »

That's 30 detect not 31. Again use your brain.

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/26659

They had a one time event for 31 detection apoth.

Revelation Potions are a rather valid option.

IAero - Dreamweaver

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you claim to be pure dex then your end gear should be giving you stats that ends up with having 104~105 strength and that INCLUDES adds from gear (thus 104~105 green stats), end of line.
Anything above that at lvl 100~105 can not be considered pure dex in my book.

Are these legitimate?

Main gear for bow http://pwcalc.com/de13b66ab7f23ee6

Strength gear for fist http://pwcalc.com/47b1b11fee43daca

(Sorry for my fail necklace in str build lol. But with G15 claws, I can use TT99 instead of that)

These builds are my real stats atm. So I go from 105 str to 158 str after I switch gears. I use bow most of the time, including bh cuz I dun feel like pulling aggro from some fail sin while I can't get BP (yes, the main topic of this post, lol). Fists are only for Celestial Tiger Event so I can stay at a higher ranking.

I dun QQ about BP anymore cuz I made a sin.

unceuncerave

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Revelation Potions are a rather valid option.

K let me know when you can get those in bulk where they could be very useful.

Nenor - Dreamweaver

Originally Posted by DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver View Post
If you claim to be pure dex then your end gear should be giving you stats that ends up with having 104~105 strength and that INCLUDES adds from gear (thus 104~105 green stats), end of line.
Anything above that at lvl 100~105 can not be considered pure dex in my book.

Under those rules i would concede.
My build is pure as in 4-1 until 97 str. then 5/dex.
My add-ons let me keep those stats, regardless of what they are, or how many they are.
But also by those rules everytime you changed gear, you have to restat. that's just not feasible.

Oh also, just as a sidenote,
Originally Posted by unceuncerave
and I'm trolling the fact he was claiming to be "pure" which hes not

It should say :
and I'm trolling the fact SHE was claiming to be "pure" which SHEs not b:chuckle

But i digress, back on topic, no archers should not get bp.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Archers don't need BP. No class really needs BP it further prevents teamplay which a MMO isn't supposed to be. And the rest of this thread is trolls trying to out troll each other? If they want to be fist/claw who cares? If they aren't "pure" who cares? Let people play how they want. /rant

And btw it is quite possible to do so.

Example

Bow usage.
http://www.pwcalc.com/961375fb364722af

Fist/Claw usage.
http://www.pwcalc.com/d9a233d18d8e690b

Did I do it right? No Tome Swapping. "Pure" as you say. And no Ring Enrgavements.

Lenestro - Sanctuary

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And btw it is quite possible to do so.

Example

Bow usage.
http://www.pwcalc.com/961375fb364722af

Fist/Claw usage.
http://www.pwcalc.com/d9a233d18d8e690b

Did I do it right? No Tome Swapping. "Pure" as you say. And no Ring Enrgavements.

win. but he still wont be satisfied. ive never seen a satisfied troll in my life.

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear

this person or kluck is just trolling just so he can probably get some attention. Can one of the GMs plz close this thread, its a post that has been up before and it makes our eyes bleed.