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RebeI - Harshlands

Hey everyone!

Here is a calc showing my current gear/build - http://pwcalc.com/5cc2eb2e17359caf

In a month or two, I should have enough gold to get r9 wep with either the belt, or boots and wrists.

Here is a calc showing wep + belt - http://pwcalc.com/cbeb9804e0d7de8a

Here is a calc showing wep + boots + wrists - http://pwcalc.com/3e63c1f926ebe372

Not sure which of these to go for..

Was leaning more towards the belt + wep, considering my nirvana gear isn't too bad.

But then again, by getting belt + boots, I gain an extra 10 def levels.

So, my question to you all is, what would you do and why? :S

Oh, and how much pdef should I be aiming for unbuffed? I have sage stone barrier btw

PheosNyx - Sanctuary

Grats on sage stone barrier :O It sounds like you're aiming for full r9, so I would recommend all of those items eventually. You get pretty sexy bonuses for having all of them Now when you say arms and wrists, I'm assuming you meant boots and wrists, right? I'd say go that route first then get belt last because with more equip you get more bonuses Plus you can start re-refining arms/boots now as opposed to later Couldn't really tell ya on p. def since I'm still working on that e_o; I c u have nearly 8k self buffed o.o that's really good. Once you get ur r9 belt (which is auto max'd pdef since you can't refine it) you should have like 9k self buffed I think? You'll be fine x3

Wizzie - Raging Tide

I'd personally say you get weapon the last, just because you already have a +11 r8 weapon. I had a +10 r8 and I had to choose between weapon + belt (or 2 other pieces) and all the armor. I got the armor, just because I already had a +10 weapon, and I wasn't unhappy with my choice. It improved my survability a lot, and then, when I finally got the weapon, my damage went nuts^^ . It's up to you, really...

Tho if I had to choose from your 2 builds, I'd go for the one with wrists,boots and weapon, just because I think +10 def level would help a bit more than +8 attack level. It depends on your style tho... If you kite very well, you should get the belt + wep build. It's not such a big difference to be honest.

Edit: Your pdef is high enough imo. You should shard with Citrine gems/DoTs/JoSD, as you prefer.

RebeI - Harshlands

Wow thanks for the prompt and helpful replies! You will probably think "omg what a noob" at this next bit, but I definitely want to get the wep as one of the pieces purely for aesthetic reasons, so it matches my fashion set I just dyed xD

I think I am leaning more towards the belt + wep, for the extra attack to make up for the lower, initial refine.



Just another quick question, would the loss of 3k m.attack by getting the r9 wep, reduce my damage output? As in, by getting the r9 wep, I gain attack levels but I will lose m.attack until I can refine it higher; will that subsequently reduce the damage I deal in comparison to my r8+11?

PheosNyx - Sanctuary

Uhhh +6 R9 out dds +12 r8 or so I hear, so I wouldn't be too worried. Although, no, I won't call u a noob coz r8 sword is completely ug. :X

Pearlwood - Lost City

RebeI - Harshlands wrote: »

Wow thanks for the prompt and helpful replies! You will probably think "omg what a noob" at this next bit, but I definitely want to get the wep as one of the pieces purely for aesthetic reasons, so it matches my fashion set I just dyed xD

I think I am leaning more towards the belt + wep, for the extra attack to make up for the lower, initial refine.



Just another quick question, would the loss of 3k m.attack by getting the r9 wep, reduce my damage output? As in, by getting the r9 wep, I gain attack levels but I will lose m.attack until I can refine it higher; will that subsequently reduce the damage I deal in comparison to my r8+11?

+10 R8 sword is the standard for battle wep for end game wiz. Anything more powerful than that is a luxury (and greatly desired). So I would focus on other gear first because your wep is all u need at a minimum. And, not sure how the math works out r8 wep v r9 wep. I suppose against other R9 who have great number of attk/def levels, the R9 wep is better. For everything else, the R8 is completely effective, and it can be menacing to R9 if not handled with caution.

RebeI - Harshlands

PheosNyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

Uhhh +6 R9 out dds +12 r8 or so I hear, so I wouldn't be too worried. Although, no, I won't call u a noob coz r8 sword is completely ug. :X

if that is so, I will be happy xD

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

+10 R8 sword is the standard for battle wep for end game wiz. Anything more powerful than that is a luxury (and greatly desired). So I would focus on other gear first because your wep is all u need at a minimum. And, not sure how the math works out r8 wep v r9 wep. I suppose against other R9 who have great number of attk/def levels, the R9 wep is better. For everything else, the R8 is completely effective, and it can be menacing to R9 if not handled with caution.

yeah I didn't initially plan to get r9 wep, which is why I refined my r8 to +11, and planned to +12 it. but that would have been silly lol.



right now, I am leaning more towards the belt + wep, because that will give me the 10 attack level set bonus, along with the 3 attack levels from belt, and will allow me to keep the 5 attack level bonus from nirvana.

so technically, its the 8 attack levels vs 10 defence, and I think I prefer the attack xD

Pearlwood - Lost City

RebeI - Harshlands wrote: »

if that is so, I will be happy xD



yeah I didn't initially plan to get r9 wep, which is why I refined my r8 to +11, and planned to +12 it. but that would have been silly lol.



right now, I am leaning more towards the belt + wep, because that will give me the 10 attack level set bonus, along with the 3 attack levels from belt, and will allow me to keep the 5 attack level bonus from nirvana.

so technically, its the 8 attack levels vs 10 defence, and I think I prefer the attack xD

Just remember going R9 is very cool, but it also effectively puts u at the end of your character's life. You will never again get to legitimately compete with the majority of chars in PWI. Your only competition will be other R9s and maybe a very few skilled R8s. For the rest, its a no contest slaughter that requires no skill at all. Take for example ReckYourWorld (Lost City); he R9 archer that one shots all non R9s to pad his pvp stats. But, his char's life is effectively ended because nobody cares. If you are into developing and understanding the skill capabilities of your class, then I advise u stay R8 or NV. Only move to R9 after that. Just me opinion.

RebeI - Harshlands

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

Just remember going R9 is very cool, but it also effectively puts u at the end of your character's life. You will never again get to legitimately compete with the majority of chars in PWI. Your only competition will be other R9s and maybe a very few skilled R8s. For the rest, its a no contest slaughter that requires no skill at all. Take for example ReckYourWorld (Lost City); he R9 archer that one shots all non R9s to pad his pvp stats. But, his char's life is effectively ended because nobody cares. If you are into developing and understanding the skill capabilities of your class, then I advise u stay R8 or NV. Only move to R9 after that. Just me opinion.

Yeah there are a few archers like that on our server I won't ever achieve r9+12 or e en full +10 gear anytime soon so I won't exactly be too hard to kill.

Main reason I want the weapon is so I can be slightly more competitive in TW lol. Right now there is one super OP geared faction that rolls the server, and now they have made an alt faction that we are fighting, and many of their chars are r9 too lol.

Right now, I can kill 90% of r8 geared people; genie spark is OP lol. Sins are the exception of course xD r9 archers are a pain to kill; not only do they hit hard but the ones who are built well, are pretty tanky.

And hey, I will still have my r8 wep to fight other r8 people with kinda like how I fight current r8 people with my lunar magic sword (+4 ftw?) because they complain about my wep -.-

Wtb a good d.orb sale once I have my wep! XD






Ooh that's another thing, initially I will only refine to like +7... Let's say there was a good orb sale, should I refine to +10/11 or keep it at +7 and save gold for belt, for the additional 13 attack levels?

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary

PheosNyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

Uhhh +6 R9 out dds +12 r8 or so I hear, so I wouldn't be too worried. Although, no, I won't call u a noob coz r8 sword is completely ug. :X

For your info, Rebel, this is actually not correct.
I compared the damage of my +10 r8 sword with my current r9 wep, which is now +6.
When it was at +5, it just barely out-DD'd my r8 sword, and +6 has a slightly better output, but it's primarily thanks to the -10 chan that it racks up more damage in general.
Being that +12 r8 is significantly stronger than +10 r8, I can't imagine how a +6 r9 wep can out-dd that.

I would, however, guess that a +8 r9 wep can probably out-DD a +12 r8 wep.

RebeI - Harshlands

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »

For your info, Rebel, this is actually not correct.
I compared the damage of my +10 r8 sword with my current r9 wep, which is now +6.
When it was at +5, it just barely out-DD'd my r8 sword, and +6 has a slightly better output, but it's primarily thanks to the -10 chan that it racks up more damage in general.
Being that +12 r8 is significantly stronger than +10 r8, I can't imagine how a +6 r9 wep can out-dd that.

I would, however, guess that a +8 r9 wep can probably out-DD a +12 r8 wep.

Thank you for clarifying that for me

So, do you think I should save gold to refine the weapon to +10 before I purchase it, or live with +7 and save all the gold for the belt?

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary

RebeI - Harshlands wrote: »

Thank you for clarifying that for me

So, do you think I should save gold to refine the weapon to +10 before I purchase it, or live with +7 and save all the gold for the belt?

Depends. I got the wep from the last major rank sale, mainly because I didn't want to wait for another one, and I would save more if I bought the wep over the armor pieces, which are easier to acquire. I'm waiting for the next good ocean sale to refine my wep to +10, so I'm living with +6 for now.

But without the sale advantage, I would finish getting the armor pieces/belt probably, as your +11 sword honestly is going to have the same output as a +7 r9 sword (and that sword cost like 600-750m?).

PheosNyx - Sanctuary

Sorry if my response was inaccurate xD it was something that I had merely heard. :X

Pearlwood - Lost City

And of course there is the R8 recast adds that aren't being talked about. Not sure how a well recasted r8 wep compare to r9 wep. But its an interesting alternative.

RebeI - Harshlands

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

And of course there is the R8 recast adds that aren't being talked about. Not sure how a well recasted r8 wep compare to r9 wep. But its an interesting alternative.

Hmm yeah that would be an interesting comparison, but the main reason I went r9 was for the cool looking weapon xD

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »

For your info, Rebel, this is actually not correct.
I compared the damage of my +10 r8 sword with my current r9 wep, which is now +6.
When it was at +5, it just barely out-DD'd my r8 sword, and +6 has a slightly better output, but it's primarily thanks to the -10 chan that it racks up more damage in general.
Being that +12 r8 is significantly stronger than +10 r8, I can't imagine how a +6 r9 wep can out-dd that.

I would, however, guess that a +8 r9 wep can probably out-DD a +12 r8 wep.

Well I think I could get +8 refine as soon as I purchase the wep.. And now, thinking about it carefully, I'm not sure how soon I would be able to get the belt or the other pieces.

The main confusion I have, is whether to +10/11 the wep first, or get the belt for the extra attack levels.


@Scorched_Sky how many r9 pieces do you have right now? And could you show me pw calc please

Also, any other r9 wizzies, post your calcs please so I can use them as inspiration! Thanks

RebeI - Harshlands

Well I have narrowed it down to either of these two...

Either keep the OHT belt, and get r9 wep and +11 it - http://pwcalc.com/7fa8cacd94808c5c

Or,

Get r9 belt and wep, with the wep at +7 - http://pwcalc.com/cbeb9804e0d7de8a


what would you do?

VoItaire - Harshlands

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

Just remember going R9 is very cool, but it also effectively puts u at the end of your character's life. You will never again get to legitimately compete with the majority of chars in PWI. Your only competition will be other R9s and maybe a very few skilled R8s. For the rest, its a no contest slaughter that requires no skill at all. Take for example ReckYourWorld (Lost City); he R9 archer that one shots all non R9s to pad his pvp stats. But, his char's life is effectively ended because nobody cares. If you are into developing and understanding the skill capabilities of your class, then I advise u stay R8 or NV. Only move to R9 after that. Just me opinion.

Derp. It's not like once he's full r9 he's gonna go and NPC his previous gear. He can still use that gear for fun, balanced fights and break out the r9 for tw/ganks/other r9s. Really not sure why I've never seen anyone do this.

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

Derp. It's not like once he's full r9 he's gonna go and NPC his previous gear. He can still use that gear for fun, balanced fights and break out the r9 for tw/ganks/other r9s. Really not sure why I've never seen anyone do this.

Because once you go (tab-gush-kill) you'll never go back!

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary

RebeI - Harshlands wrote: »

Well I think I could get +8 refine as soon as I purchase the wep.. And now, thinking about it carefully, I'm not sure how soon I would be able to get the belt or the other pieces.

The main confusion I have, is whether to +10/11 the wep first, or get the belt for the extra attack levels.


@Scorched_Sky how many r9 pieces do you have right now? And could you show me pw calc please

Also, any other r9 wizzies, post your calcs please so I can use them as inspiration! Thanks

Hard choice. I'd say +10 the wep, as you can +10 it for less than the price for 1 more armor piece (not even belt).
I have 3 pieces of r9 + ring.
Here's my calc. The shards are temporary
http://pwcalc.com/53c93e5d6c14d8e7

RebeI - Harshlands

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »

For your info, Rebel, this is actually not correct.
I compared the damage of my +10 r8 sword with my current r9 wep, which is now +6.
When it was at +5, it just barely out-DD'd my r8 sword, and +6 has a slightly better output, but it's primarily thanks to the -10 chan that it racks up more damage in general.
Being that +12 r8 is significantly stronger than +10 r8, I can't imagine how a +6 r9 wep can out-dd that.

I would, however, guess that a +8 r9 wep can probably out-DD a +12 r8 wep.

Just an update - I did a caster run with a wiz who was geared like - http://pwcalc.com/cb3b625bcb07feb9


I had - http://pwcalc.com/c32cd3e7f0992b48

We tested our damage on each other, and on average, from a dew different skills, she hit around 200 more damage than me.

This was surprising considering she had 40 more attack levels than me. I'm guessing it's mainly because of the vit that she has statted.

Idk how I feel about this, but at least I know that if I get the wep to +7 at least,
I 'should' hit harder than I do now, considering I will have more magic attack than the other wiz in question, although I will have 10 less attack levels.

I have to get the wep first, as silly as it seems, it's the best looking thing in game xD now convince me that I am right! :P

Pearlwood - Lost City

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Becuase once you go (tab-gush-kill) you'll never go back!

Really so true. I never see R9 playing with old NV gear. Lol. But, i guess its possible.

RebeI - Harshlands

Just bumping this to update my progress

http://pwcalc.com/c20140b40197aa22

That pw calc is my current gear as of today