QQ I wanna cleric QQ
How many times must my charm ting
before mystics realize they ain't healing a thing
how many times do I do a BH run
I deal no damage, I'm not a solo gun
I eat the damage for I am tank
heals come from clerics, mystic heals stank
How many times must my charm ting
before mystics realize they ain't healing a thing
I love my clerics, I protect them from aggro
their buffs are the best, time to rock and roll
all squads want, all squads need
cuz all the rest are just DD
How many times must my charm ting
before mystics realize they ain't healing a thing
before mystics realize they ain't healing a thing
how many times do I do a BH run
I deal no damage, I'm not a solo gun
I eat the damage for I am tank
heals come from clerics, mystic heals stank
How many times must my charm ting
before mystics realize they ain't healing a thing
I love my clerics, I protect them from aggro
their buffs are the best, time to rock and roll
all squads want, all squads need
cuz all the rest are just DD
How many times must my charm ting
before mystics realize they ain't healing a thing
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How many times must my charm ting
before mystics realize they ain't healing a thing
how many times do I do a BH run
I deal no damage, I'm not a solo gun
I eat the damage for I am tank
heals come from clerics, mystic heals stank
How many times must my charm ting
before mystics realize they ain't healing a thing
I love my clerics, I protect them from aggro
their buffs are the best, time to rock and roll
all squads want, all squads need
cuz all the rest are just DD
How many times must my charm ting
before mystics realize they ain't healing a thing
For one you my friend must stuck at being a barb. Secondly mystic heals are amazing seeing as im a barb and a mystic can heal me perfect, before i switched to claws i had 23k in tiger and mystic wouldnt let my health drop past 19k, im claw and have 19k in tiger almost 20k and again mystic can heal. So either use your skills ie. Turtle and Sunder or shut up and take the ticks.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Deago - Lost City wrote: »For one you my friend must stuck at being a barb. Secondly mystic heals are amazing seeing as im a barb and a mystic can heal me perfect, before i switched to claws i had 23k in tiger and mystic wouldnt let my health drop past 19k, im claw and have 19k in tiger almost 20k and again mystic can heal. So either use your skills ie. Turtle and Sunder or shut up and take the ticks.
Hear Hear.
InsaneWayne...aka moofdemon..take that and put it in your pipe, Marine."Karma is a cruel mistress" - Kelley York, Hushed
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instead of being a lvl105 n00b who power lvl'd all the way up, I like to do BHs without a high lvl soloing it fer us (altho it's nice to have an easy day with OP help and it's nice to FC and skip a few lvls)
in BHs we learn our class a bit, this is my first higher barb that Im taking seriously
Ima lil undergeared fer my lvl
Ive done these BHs without a healer at all (but with enuff DDs that the boss went down quick enuff
with a mystic "healing"
with a wiz healing
and with a cleric healing
soooooo.... explain to me why a cleric can switch from IHing me a few times to DDing a few times and my charm never tings, but when mystics try this my charm tings a handful of times while Im constantly eating crabs
oh and yeah, Im 1/2 trolling and 1/2 blowing off steam at the last mystic who bragged that clerics are no longer needed cuz they healed me so well when their wasnt much a difference between the mystic and no healer at all
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Ima lil undergeared fer my lvl
Hmm...Ive done these BHs without a healer at all (but with enuff DDs that the boss went down quick enuff
with a mystic "healing"
with a wiz healing
and with a cleric healing
What? You really think wizzie heals can be compared to the other two without sutra? Not even considering aoe.soooooo.... explain to me why a cleric can switch from IHing me a few times to DDing a few times and my charm never tings, but when mystics try this my charm tings a handful of times while Im constantly eating crabs
You must've had an inexperience mystic healing, like seriously. I could kinda see if it were bh69 vs pole and nob since mystics don't have purify at that lvl, but anyway cleric and mystic healing have their own advantages. Clerics have nice buffs earlier on, reliable purify, and BB dmg reduction to prevent oneshots. Mystics have quicker response heals, more flexibility, and better self protection. For most @ lvl bosses a mystic just has to keep vital.herb out and toss an occasional falling petals or break in the clouds, it takes very little effort tbh and they're free to help DD to speed things up.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
instead of being a lvl105 n00b who power lvl'd all the way up, I like to do BHs without a high lvl soloing it fer us (altho it's nice to have an easy day with OP help and it's nice to FC and skip a few lvls)
in BHs we learn our class a bit, this is my first higher barb that Im taking seriously
Ima lil undergeared fer my lvl
Ive done these BHs without a healer at all (but with enuff DDs that the boss went down quick enuff
with a mystic "healing"
with a wiz healing
and with a cleric healing
soooooo.... explain to me why a cleric can switch from IHing me a few times to DDing a few times and my charm never tings, but when mystics try this my charm tings a handful of
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Sir, i liked your poem, but it isn't entirelly true, mystics have exceptional heals, even better when some plants "blow" dealing a massive heal, and the pet salvation can cast a shield on you, preventing for your charm tick or saving you from the deathblow.
barbs aren't only a meat shield as everybody says, compared to a bm with same gears barbs still can do more dmg, due to poison fang and demon BO. barbs can easily outDD seekers and sometimes magic class like veno or cleric.
the best buff of this game is beast king inspiration, lets say you're a wiz with 6k hp base, you get the 2 def buffs from cleric, a opposite cleric shots you with a critical plume shot.. BANG dead...! now lets say you have BKI (even better if demon or sage) lets say your hp jumps to 8.5k that critical plume shot wouldn't kill you due to your higher hp.
oh and one more thing, the right is charm tick, not ting, but it's up to you what you'll say.0 -
instead of being a lvl105 n00b who power lvl'd all the way up, I like to do BHs without a high lvl soloing it fer us (altho it's nice to have an easy day with OP help and it's nice to FC and skip a few lvls)
in BHs we learn our class a bit, this is my first higher barb that Im taking seriously
Ima lil undergeared fer my lvl
Ive done these BHs without a healer at all (but with enuff DDs that the boss went down quick enuff
with a mystic "healing"
with a wiz healing
and with a cleric healing
soooooo.... explain to me why a cleric can switch from IHing me a few times to DDing a few times and my charm never tings, but when mystics try this my charm tings a handful of times while Im constantly eating crabs
oh and yeah, Im 1/2 trolling and 1/2 blowing off steam at the last mystic who bragged that clerics are no longer needed cuz they healed me so well when their wasnt much a difference between the mystic and no healer at all
(they gets better at high lvls?!?)
So because of one mystic you tar all with the same brush?
First off get your gear up to date. You are responsible for this and not any mystic.
Second of all stop bashing all in one class because of what one did. I can say all barbs are **** pullers due to one that kept dying when he went to pull in a recent BH79 I was in....it was so bad that I, as a mystic, ended up DDing and pulling and healing the frigging squad. Do I say all barbs are frigging **** ? No I do not...I blame the barb that was **** at what he was supposed to do. Oh and funny enough he was severely undergeared for his level.
Get your side sorted out before you start bashing all on the other side.
Oh and the poem. Apart from the fact that it is bashing mystics it is ****. Do not give up your day job."Karma is a cruel mistress" - Kelley York, Hushed
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someone should go dig up one of the bazillion qq threads about clerics that cannot prevent charm ticking
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I loved these threads. b:thanks
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=684312
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=7698832[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mystics are much different than clerics and their abilities to heal are situational. I'd take a good mystic over a chromaspamming cleric any day.0
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and i take a good cleric over a good mistic any day b:laugh0
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I'll take Blood Paint over either, they both complain and feel they're more necessary than they really are.
Barb + BP = **** Clerics/Mystics
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Precept - Lost City wrote: »I'll take Blood Paint over either, they both complain and feel they're more necessary than they really are.
Barb + BP = **** Clerics/Mystics
^-- This equation doesn't work out if you're not rocking lvl 11 skills and the intelligence to know when to use what.
Wrong if you are axe BP isnt that great at healing, now if you aps **** getting cleric or mystic bp will heal you just fine.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Deago - Lost City wrote: »Wrong if you are axe BP isnt that great at healing, now if you aps **** getting cleric or mystic bp will heal you just fine.
Kind of says something about how well aps increases your survivability.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »Kind of says something about how well aps increases your survivability.
Attack faster, heal better, kill quicker
Aps is great
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Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »Kind of says something about how well aps increases your survivability.
Yep: being a 1shot is great huh?0 -
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Yep: being a 1shot is great huh?
How can u seem so serious at first and then you say bul...it like this and become such an idiot is beyond me.
OP is also an idiot , how he can be fine with no healer or wiz and not with a mystic. Also never state that you are a bit *undergeared* . you reveal your intetions to troll and that sort of spoils the reason for this thread.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Thank You!!! I do not have anything against mystics or wizzies but it is nice to get a little appreciation for ACTUAL clerics who are ones at heart and do our jobs to the best of our abilities. Not ones who power-leveled, we will not talk about them they are the, "Killers of Squads and shall not be named." Nor will we talk about clerics who are metal mages or just horrible healers. I miss having reliable, AOE canceling, tank barbs as they seemed to have vanished a bit. When i am healing i do enjoy having back up mystic heals it is always a plus and i LOVE the rez-buff. On the other hand, i get irked a bit because clerics get the short end of the stick on just about everything and now we are replaced by other classes but eh as long as we are still needed by someone right?
Short Opinion From An Actual Cleric, ~PS- If you have a level 100+ cleric as one of your 4-10 characters, Congratz, but it still does not give you the right to tell me how to do my job, how to heal ~~ You have a lvl 100+ cleric as 1 of your 4-10 characters ? Congratz, but it still does not give you the right to ORDER me how to do my job, how to heal. Anger me by doing that and you will have to run ALL the way across the room to BB if you want to survive because as a cleric dying is as second nature as moving the speed of dirt is our first nature. We do not have to heal people like you. I am not here to keep you alive, just rez you when you die~0 -
Nicten - Heavens Tear wrote: »Thank You!!! I do not have anything against mystics or wizzies but it is nice to get a little appreciation for ACTUAL clerics who are ones at heart and do our jobs to the best of our abilities. Not ones who power-leveled, we will not talk about them they are the, "Killers of Squads and shall not be named." Nor will we talk about clerics who are metal mages or just horrible healers. I miss having reliable, AOE canceling, tank barbs as they seemed to have vanished a bit. When i am healing i do enjoy having back up mystic heals it is always a plus and i LOVE the rez-buff. On the other hand, i get irked a bit because clerics get the short end of the stick on just about everything and now we are replaced by other classes but eh as long as we are still needed by someone right?
Short Opinion From An Actual Cleric, ~PS- If you have a level 100+ cleric as one of your 4-10 characters, Congratz, but it still does not give you the right to tell me how to do my job, how to heal ~
Have to agree with you here on the fact that people do not appreciate clerics enough. I am a mystic. This means that I am not a cleric and nor do I enjoy being a 'replacement' cleric. I am also not a replacement veno. I have, believe it or not, been mistaken for that and my devil for a Herc. No. Yes I can pull, and yes I can heal but no those are not my primary skills and nor do I want them to be. If I wanted to be a cleric I would have rolled one.
I have a few friends who are clerics and they are great and although I can heal I am so happy when they are in a squad with me because it means I can do what I enjoy more, which is to DD and supporting them ( I actually make sure the cleric is the one that is ok in a squad like this because if they die well then we are all up whatchyoumacallitcreek unless they have res on them and it has not run out...somethins I check with a vengeance - lol). I have often had 'discussions' with mystics or other players who believe that mystics are just as good as clerics at healing because I disagree with having the mindset that this is what we are for....and that we cannot and are not allowed the freedom to do anything else in a squad."Karma is a cruel mistress" - Kelley York, Hushed
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Nicten - Heavens Tear wrote: »Thank You!!! I do not have anything against mystics or wizzies but it is nice to get a little appreciation for ACTUAL clerics who are ones at heart and do our jobs to the best of our abilities. Not ones who power-leveled, we will not talk about them they are the, "Killers of Squads and shall not be named." Nor will we talk about clerics who are metal mages or just horrible healers. I miss having reliable, AOE canceling, tank barbs as they seemed to have vanished a bit. When i am healing i do enjoy having back up mystic heals it is always a plus and i LOVE the rez-buff. On the other hand, i get irked a bit because clerics get the short end of the stick on just about everything and now we are replaced by other classes but eh as long as we are still needed by someone right?
Short Opinion From An Actual Cleric, ~PS- If you have a level 100+ cleric as one of your 4-10 characters, Congratz, but it still does not give you the right to tell me how to do my job, how to heal ~
I don't know you and can't say whether you are a good or bad healer...
But my immediate impression is you're bad at your job if people are giving advice and if you get defensive about taking advice. I have played for years, have played every class and have all of them 74+ (I don't usually hyper/FCC till the 80s) and I still look for advice. If people want to tell me how to tank or how to heal, fine. I consider it, maybe ask their reasons or explain mine and try to improve. You appear to have a problem taking advice and that hinders your improvement.
Right now I actually am rushing up my veno, sort of. I stopped playing it at about level 70 over a year ago and am now FCCing it up to 101. Even though I hadn't played it in forever it only took me a day or two to become comfortable with the skills and pet management and I am constantly getting compliments about how good a job I do, even though I am essentially a "hyper noob." on it. I'm rushing it because it is so hard to find a decent veno, just as others are rushing their clerics because its so hard to find decent clerics. I'm not so much defending hyper FCCing, I'm just saying good players are good and bad players are bad and it doesn't really matter too much how those players leveled up they'll still either be good or suck endgame. If someone is giving you advice, consider it.
Cleric's have been over babied in the game, honestly. They're great and save my *** sometimes but some expect to be viewed as my savior just for healing me. That's their job. Just like tanking and putting yourself on death's door is a barb's job, and DDing your little heart out is a DDs job. One isn't really more important than the other, just some are more replaceable.
As for the main topic: I clerics. I've seen mystics do just as good a job. And I've seen paint do a better job than either I have enough hp that ToP will typically suffice without a cleric for most instances. Here are the main differences. Mystics have a plant that weaken's the attack on a boss/mobs, making their heals more effective. They also have skills that are useful healing without pulling aggro, like plants and Falling Petals. Cleric's have buffs and bb. The main reason I look for a cleric is for either their buffs or their bb, like in delta or Metal. Their buffs alone make them vital to a squad sometime, even without healing.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »I don't know you and can't say whether you are a good or bad healer...
But my immediate impression is you're bad at your job if people are giving advice and if you get defensive about taking advice. I have played for years, have played every class and have all of them 74+ (I don't usually hyper/FCC till the 80s) and I still look for advice. If people want to tell me how to tank or how to heal, fine. I consider it, maybe ask their reasons or explain mine and try to improve. You appear to have a problem taking advice and that hinders your improvement.
Right now I actually am rushing up my veno, sort of. I stopped playing it at about level 70 over a year ago and am now FCCing it up to 101. Even though I hadn't played it in forever it only took me a day or two to become comfortable with the skills and pet management and I am constantly getting compliments about how good a job I do, even though I am essentially a "hyper noob." on it. I'm rushing it because it is so hard to find a decent veno, just as others are rushing their clerics because its so hard to find decent clerics. I'm not so much defending hyper FCCing, I'm just saying good players are good and bad players are bad and it doesn't really matter too much how those players leveled up they'll still either be good or suck endgame. If someone is giving you advice, consider it.
Cleric's have been over babied in the game, honestly. They're great and save my *** sometimes but some expect to be viewed as my savior just for healing me. That's their job. Just like tanking and putting yourself on death's door is a barb's job, and DDing your little heart out is a DDs job. One isn't really more important than the other, just some are more replaceable.
As for the main topic: I clerics. I've seen mystics do just as good a job. And I've seen paint do a better job than either I have enough hp that ToP will typically suffice without a cleric for most instances. Here are the main differences. Mystics have a plant that weaken's the attack on a boss/mobs, making their heals more effective. They also have skills that are useful healing without pulling aggro, like plants and Falling Petals. Cleric's have buffs and bb. The main reason I look for a cleric is for either their buffs or their bb, like in delta or Metal. Their buffs alone make them vital to a squad sometime, even without healing.
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Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »I don't know you and can't say whether you are a good or bad healer...
But my immediate impression is you're bad at your job if people are giving advice and if you get defensive about taking advice. I have played for years, have played every class and have all of them 74+ (I don't usually hyper/FCC till the 80s) and I still look for advice. If people want to tell me how to tank or how to heal, fine. I consider it, maybe ask their reasons or explain mine and try to improve. You appear to have a problem taking advice and that hinders your improvement.
Right now I actually am rushing up my veno, sort of. I stopped playing it at about level 70 over a year ago and am now FCCing it up to 101. Even though I hadn't played it in forever it only took me a day or two to become comfortable with the skills and pet management and I am constantly getting compliments about how good a job I do, even though I am essentially a "hyper noob." on it. I'm rushing it because it is so hard to find a decent veno, just as others are rushing their clerics because its so hard to find decent clerics. I'm not so much defending hyper FCCing, I'm just saying good players are good and bad players are bad and it doesn't really matter too much how those players leveled up they'll still either be good or suck endgame. If someone is giving you advice, consider it.
Cleric's have been over babied in the game, honestly. They're great and save my *** sometimes but some expect to be viewed as my savior just for healing me. That's their job. Just like tanking and putting yourself on death's door is a barb's job, and DDing your little heart out is a DDs job. One isn't really more important than the other, just some are more replaceable.
As for the main topic: I clerics. I've seen mystics do just as good a job. And I've seen paint do a better job than either I have enough hp that ToP will typically suffice without a cleric for most instances. Here are the main differences. Mystics have a plant that weaken's the attack on a boss/mobs, making their heals more effective. They also have skills that are useful healing without pulling aggro, like plants and Falling Petals. Cleric's have buffs and bb. The main reason I look for a cleric is for either their buffs or their bb, like in delta or Metal. Their buffs alone make them vital to a squad sometime, even without healing.
how many instances does barb need toi be the meat shield at 100+ one two out of how many hmm.
just wanted to correct you on it as i took offence as to say barb always tanking when we are not most of the time.0 -
Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »I don't know you and can't say whether you are a good or bad healer...
But my immediate impression is you're bad at your job if people are giving advice and if you get defensive about taking advice. I have played for years, have played every class and have all of them 74+ (I don't usually hyper/FCC till the 80s) and I still look for advice. If people want to tell me how to tank or how to heal, fine. I consider it, maybe ask their reasons or explain mine and try to improve. You appear to have a problem taking advice and that hinders your improvement.
Right now I actually am rushing up my veno, sort of. I stopped playing it at about level 70 over a year ago and am now FCCing it up to 101. Even though I hadn't played it in forever it only took me a day or two to become comfortable with the skills and pet management and I am constantly getting compliments about how good a job I do, even though I am essentially a "hyper noob." on it. I'm rushing it because it is so hard to find a decent veno, just as others are rushing their clerics because its so hard to find decent clerics. I'm not so much defending hyper FCCing, I'm just saying good players are good and bad players are bad and it doesn't really matter too much how those players leveled up they'll still either be good or suck endgame. If someone is giving you advice, consider it.
Cleric's have been over babied in the game, honestly. They're great and save my *** sometimes but some expect to be viewed as my savior just for healing me. That's their job. Just like tanking and putting yourself on death's door is a barb's job, and DDing your little heart out is a DDs job. One isn't really more important than the other, just some are more replaceable.
As for the main topic: I clerics. I've seen mystics do just as good a job. And I've seen paint do a better job than either I have enough hp that ToP will typically suffice without a cleric for most instances. Here are the main differences. Mystics have a plant that weaken's the attack on a boss/mobs, making their heals more effective. They also have skills that are useful healing without pulling aggro, like plants and Falling Petals. Cleric's have buffs and bb. The main reason I look for a cleric is for either their buffs or their bb, like in delta or Metal. Their buffs alone make them vital to a squad sometime, even without healing.~ You have a lvl 100+ cleric as 1 of your 4-10 characters ? Congratz, but it still does not give you the right to ORDER me how to do my job, how to heal. Anger me by doing that and you will have to run ALL the way across the room to BB if you want to survive because as a cleric dying is as second nature as moving the speed of dirt is our first nature. We do not have to heal people like you. I am not here to keep you alive, just rez you when you die~0 -
_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »how many instances does barb need toi be the meat shield at 100+ one two out of how many hmm.
just wanted to correct you on it as i took offence as to say barb always tanking when we are not most of the time.
Depends what type of barb you are *winks, whistles, and strolls away*.
I tank almost everything. I do about as much damage as a +12 G13 5 aps sin, although since I normally am also catching and debuffing the boss it equals more like a +10 sin. I'm about to pull the citrines out of my boots and put in DoTs, just waiting on a few more refines and considering things like R8 top (more def and -int), and once I get -int on my claws I can be 3 pieces R9 and 5.0 with G15 and revenge. When the revenge procs on my claws I get about 19-21k average triple sparked attack which is as much as my 509 dex G15 sin. My barb is built for holding aggro and tanking.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
yay! Im back
some peeps just cant read, or they assume somethings that just aint written
same barb, same BH, same gear, sheeeeeet I even had cleric buffs fer the one run witha mystic
EVERY MYSTIC failed to heal me anywhere as well as a cleric, not just one
ifn it wuz my gear then why did every cleric do a just fine job of healing me? (rank gear, fully sharded, sucky boots and arms tho)
however, in tanking bosses a guildie mystic over 20 lvls below me healed me just fine
so Im just guessing that most mystics just dont use their heals enuff, or notice my HP
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Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »Depends what type of barb you are *winks, whistles, and strolls away*.
I tank almost everything. I do about as much damage as a +12 G13 5 aps sin, although since I normally am also catching and debuffing the boss it equals more like a +10 sin. I'm about to pull the citrines out of my boots and put in DoTs, just waiting on a few more refines and considering things like R8 top (more def and -int), and once I get -int on my claws I can be 3 pieces R9 and 5.0 with G15 and revenge. When the revenge procs on my claws I get about 19-21k average triple sparked attack which is as much as my 509 dex G15 sin. My barb is built for holding aggro and tanking.
that is lower then my base axe damage no crith lol
i can get 127 attack lv on my barb if i wanted
dont need claw for that tho
aw well enjoy ur claw barb while i have fun with my 127 attack lv barb and 600 str0
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