Questions about R8 Recast:

Brillance - Raging Tide

Hai, it's me again. I'm back to ask for more of your help please. b:kiss

Is it a good idea to get a second piece to use as your 'recast piece'?

I'm asking that one because it seems at least on gears that you might have to reroll the piece a few times to get add-ons that do something for you, and you still need to function in the game while waiting for that to happen.


WHAT does "Requirement - 25%" even mean?

I'm asking that one because I saw it as a possible stat addon for Verdant Soul Staff:Eon and it confused the stuffings out of me. I can remove like 15 Str points and still be able to hold it or something? What, lol?


Does anyone know an average amount of rolls to get a piece where you can feel comfortable using it recast?

Price IS an object to me. Someone once said to me on these forums, "Dont bother recasting the robe. It already has pretty good stats." And, after researching the vast array of addons I could end up with by recasting, Im kinda wondering what investment of time and money could be looming on the horizon.


What pieces (including Sleeves & Boots) SHOULD definately be recast?


As always, thanks a lot for your help and advice. b:thanks

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Is it a good idea to get a second piece to use as your 'recast piece'?

Yes, the +900 hp of the set bonus is the main appeal of recasting r8 arcane armor (the weapon does not count towards the set effect).

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

WHAT does "Requirement - 25%" even mean?

It means you need 25% less magic and strength to wear the item. This would only be of use if every piece of your gear has this addon, since you'd still need the same STR for other equips otherwise.

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Does anyone know an average amount of rolls to get a piece where you can feel comfortable using it recast?

I got some nice adds on my top on the first try. I didn't really care about the addons as I just want the top and pants for the +900 hp (I'm a survivability freak) so I wouldn't have done any rerolls either way (not until Damascene Ores drop in price, anyway).

The odds of getting good stats just depends on what you expect out of them, but you have a guaranteed +450 hp ''addon'' from the set bonus on each piece if you just use 2 pieces, which was good enough for me.

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

What pieces (including Sleeves & Boots) SHOULD definately be recast?

I'd advise against recasting more than 2 pieces of armor due to the random stats. Good boots and pants are hard to find, so that wouldn't be a bad choice. Or just, like me, the top and bottom so you can show off your armor b:chuckle It also costs 20-25m to unlock the r8 sleeves/boots needed for a recast, so that's worth considering due to money being an issue.

I went with the top + bottom for the set bonus so I can also go for the TT nirvana bonus (sleeves + helm) and the Lunar nirvana bonus (boots + cape).

Brillance - Raging Tide

@ Nowitsawn

I cant thank you enough for your post. I absolutely hearing Im worry too much about what stats I roll. xD

Ive been thinking about substituting the Archangel Sleeves and Boots for the R8, prices are roughly equivolent for both, I guess it just depends on which I can get my arms and feet into first.

All your replies are very helpful. Thanks again! b:victory

/eren - Dreamweaver311

not to be rude but....you are that level asking about that high end of armor and you dont know what requirement - 25% means?........really? -head desk-b:surrender

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It means you need 25% less magic and strength to wear the item. This would only be of use if every piece of your gear has this addon, since you'd still need the same STR for other equips otherwise.

Well r8r armor has no str / mag requirement at all but you'd have problems wearing a helm.

Brillance - Raging Tide

/eren - Dreamweaver wrote: »

not to be rude but....you are that level asking about that high end of armor and you dont know what requirement - 25% means?........really? -head desk-b:surrender

Yes, its a glitch - Im obvously 99 and wearing R8. b:shocked

REPORT MEH NAO! b:angry

And maybe some nice mod will finally update my level. b:chuckle

Brillance - Raging Tide

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well r8r armor has no str / mag requirement at all but you'd have problems wearing a helm.

Yeah, but the Recast, which is the weapon piece getting the Requirement - 25% has a 50 STR and 100 MAG req.

Nowitsawn is very correct, since at least on one piece of armor I checked out the Req - 25% isnt even available, making the stat on the weapon totally useless.

Im telling you - he knows his stuff! b:pleased

LuvHerForEva - Raging Tide

Hi, i have another question. Would the new NPC that has a chance of trading a eye of darkness with 20 tokens come out? anyone else know? and when will it come out if yes?

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im telling you - he knows his stuff! b:pleased

So does Asterelle, you know b:chuckle

She is also right, R8 recast armor requires 0 stats to wear (as you can see in the screenshot of my top). You could have every single point into vit and still be able to wear it, making a -req stat (even more) useless on it.

If you'd be wearing the full r8 recast set (which I still advise against) and a warsoul helm (only requires 24 STR) and get -25% req on the weapon, then you'd indeed be able to restat 12 STR while still being able to wear your equips.

Amphradite - Harshlands

It's really not worth it to bother with recast armor. I personally have yet to see a single piece without at least one undesirable stat, and while it's true you can reroll, that requires damascene ores and they're very hard to come by for various reasons. Nirvana's usually more cost-effective.

VoItaire - Harshlands

Amphradite - Harshlands wrote: »

It's really not worth it to bother with recast armor. I personally have yet to see a single piece without at least one undesirable stat, and while it's true you can reroll, that requires damascene ores and they're very hard to come by for various reasons. Nirvana's usually more cost-effective.

Oops, wrong char, that's me, srry.

Brillance - Raging Tide

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So does Asterelle, you know b:chuckle

She is also right, R8 recast armor requires 0 stats to wear (as you can see in the screenshot of my top). You could have every single point into vit and still be able to wear it, making a -req stat (even more) useless on it.

If you'd be wearing the full r8 recast set (which I still advise against) and a warsoul helm (only requires 24 STR) and get -25% req on the weapon, then you'd indeed be able to restat 12 STR while still being able to wear your equips.

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Ive seen Asterelle's posts before, and I know he/she is not a noob like me. b:chuckle

Perhaps we are all right? Or, maybe you are both playing with me, lol.

You had originally said -

WHAT does "Requirement - 25%" even mean?

It means you need 25% less magic and strength to wear the item. This would only be of use if every piece of your gear has this addon, since you'd still need the same STR for other equips otherwise.

So, like - any Archangel Sleeves for example would need the stat (from where Idk, but anyway) for the stat on the weapon to have any point.

But that wouldn't really be true would it - if you have full R8 recasted? And that would be because the R8 has no req at all except lvl 100? So, what would be the point. I love putting points in MAG, and would put them all there if I could.

I think I see where everyone is coming from, and I didnt say Asterelle was wrong, just pointed out the weapon reqs, which is the piece that the stat is available on.

Now, Im sort of wondering what is the point of having the STR & MAG req on the weapon, lol? It seems like its low enough on its own for a LA Mystic to use, which is cool.

O wait! That's probably it, Im not really all that hyped over 13 extra points in Magic - as an AA Mystic, but maybe a LA Mystic would get good use out those extra points for another stat.

Brillance - Raging Tide

Amphradite - Harshlands wrote: »

It's really not worth it to bother with recast armor. I personally have yet to see a single piece without at least one undesirable stat, and while it's true you can reroll, that requires damascene ores and they're very hard to come by for various reasons. Nirvana's usually more cost-effective.

That's honestly what I was thinking when I looked at the variety of addons offered for the R8. I saw recasting the weapon as a good thing - expecially with the guaranteed unique add-ons & the 50+/- extra points in Mag Att.

But, when I first asked these questions I hadnt even considered the +900 HP Complect bonus. THAT is awesome to me, as it would allow me to move a lot of the 49 points I reset from MAG to VIT (to get HP high enough for a good TW faction) back to MAG - and that does have me hyped! b:dirty

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

So, like - any Archangel Sleeves for example would need the stat (from where Idk, but anyway) for the stat on the weapon to have any point.

But that wouldn't really be true would it - if you have full R8 recasted? And that would be because the R8 has no req at all except lvl 100? So, what would be the point. I love putting points in MAG, and would put them all there if I could.

I think I see where everyone is coming from, and I didnt say Asterelle was wrong, just pointed out the weapon reqs, which is the piece that the stat is available on.

Now, Im sort of wondering what is the point of having the STR & MAG req on the weapon, lol? It seems like its low enough on its own for a LA Mystic to use, which is cool.

O wait! That's probably it, Im not really all that hyped over 13 extra points in Magic - as an AA Mystic, but maybe a LA Mystic would get good use out those extra points for another stat.

I kind of lost you there... here's what I meant:

-The recast r8 wand requires 50 str and 300 mag
-The recast armor requires 0 str and 0 mag
-A warsoul helm requires 24 str and 89 mag

This means you need at least 50 str and 300 mag to wear your equipment.

Now if it has the -25% req.:

-The recast r8 wand requires 50 * 0.75 = 38 str rounded up and 300 * 0.75 = 225 mag
-The recast armor requires 0 str and 0 mag
-A warsoul helm requires 24 str and 89 mag

So this time you only need 38 str and 225 mag to wear your equips, and 12 points of str can be reset, making the -25% req. on the weapon a useful stat.

Now once more... if you also have TT99 sleeves for example:

-The recast r8 wand (with -25%) requires 38 str and 225 mag
-The recast armor requires 0 str and 0 mag
-A warsoul helm requires 24 str and 89 mag
-TT99 sleeves require 54 str and 152 mag

So you need 54 str and 225 mag to wear your equips this time, and you can't reset any str, making the -25% on the weapon a useless stat.

I don't think anything considering LA mystics is worth thinking about, for now b:chuckle

Brillance - Raging Tide

No, I'm not lost, just expanding my thoughts based on what I read and digest.

Like at level 100, what Mystic DOESN'T have 50 Str & 100 Magic - the only ones I can think of would be either a LA Mystic or a HA Mystic, and I'm not even sure if a HA Mystic is a real thing or just someone elses mind saying "what if" b:chuckle

P.S. Okay, you might not be wise enough to have 50 STR yet, but not to have 100 MAG is like...wow, lol for a AA Mystic.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

No, I'm not lost

No, but I am b:sweat

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Like at level 100, what Mystic DOESN'T have 50 Str & 100 Magic - the only ones I can think of would be either a LA Mystic or a HA Mystic, and I'm not even sure if a HA Mystic is a real thing or just someone elses mind saying "what if" b:chuckle

It's all theoretical, of course. There apparently is a way of making some use out of it, but you're still better off rerolling the stats.

Also, where did you get the 100 mag from? The weapon requires 300 mag, did you get it mixed up with the level requirement?

Brillance - Raging Tide

I must of been tired when I read the database last night then xD b:surrender

I could of sworn it said 100 - in fact, I pretty much did. b:chuckle

EDIT: I checked again and it is indeed 300. I stand corrected.

Brillance - Raging Tide

Okay so here's my current plan:

Recast top & bottoms first - then recast weapon.

IF I happen to pull the Req - 25% on the weapon, go with the R8 Sleeves and boots. If not, then whichever I get my arms and feet into first, lol.

Thanks again for putting the whole thing into focus everyone! b:thanks