i want double drops with the 1 month exp/SP

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  • FateMakerr - Heavens Tear
    FateMakerr - Heavens Tear Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So you are saying it's a bad thing that, Farmers are making more money for all their hard work during 2x and because of this extra money they are making, the merchants are going to start raising prices because a certain amount of people are buying tokens or whatever for 13k instead of 10k?

    So instead of it being a good thing for Farmers who are making more money and can now afford the prices merchants are selling things at. it's a bad thing because now the merchants might raise their prices?

    hrmm. maybe you two are right **** the farmers, they should be buying Zen.

    Ohmylord...... seriously?


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  • Monkeytoes - Sanctuary
    Monkeytoes - Sanctuary Posts: 154 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well that was kinda why my comment to her was stated as a question. I thought by doing it that was it would kinda imply I was unsure if I understood her correctly.

    yea the last part was a little tounge-in-cheek, but eh..

    prices of the things being farmed will drop, yes
    BUT merchants will raise their prices on the items that people are trying to buy just because there are more coins in circulation, and it tends to take a long time for those prices to drop to their pre-2x prices (if at all) just as it takes a long time for things like uncannies/raptures to go back up in price (if at all)
    so, it can be useful in the (very) short term, but in the long term, it damages an already damaged economy
    we wouldn't NEED 2x drop events if the economy weren't so badly damaged already from having too many 2x events, and every 2x only makes it worse
  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited April 2012
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  • Sagek - Sanctuary
    Sagek - Sanctuary Posts: 1,156 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
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  • Superfeng - Lost City
    Superfeng - Lost City Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Nnorzio_BR - Lost City wrote: »
    Everyone in game wants it.We deserve it because your game is over priced.Gold is to high.Drop rate is so poor.Even 2x is ****.You let the OP people get to 105.You banned them for 7 days but it was only what 2-3 days?They all back playing again.Game still isn't balanced.
    Adding drops isn't going to hurt the game more than it already is.c'mon Frankie.Make this game worth logging into!I love this game its fun and I can't get enough of it.


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  • MagicEmpress - Lost City
    MagicEmpress - Lost City Posts: 795 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Maybe they could just do the 2x drops on weekends when more people can play.

    Or maybe they could start a feature like 2x Sunday - Every Sunday for 24 hours 2x drops.

    That way there would be some consistency and we wouldn't have to wait months in between 2x. When 2x is off NV is like dead... b:sad
  • Nnorzio_BR - Lost City
    Nnorzio_BR - Lost City Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    finally a normal person speaks.
  • Myrakou - Sanctuary
    Myrakou - Sanctuary Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So you are saying it's a bad thing that, Farmers are making more money for all their hard work during 2x and because of this extra money they are making, the merchants are going to start raising prices because a certain amount of people are buying tokens or whatever for 13k instead of 10k?

    Let me just put it this way: You didn't buy a single token since prices rose above 10k?
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  • ItsAWolf - Archosaur
    ItsAWolf - Archosaur Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Myrakou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Let me just put it this way: You didn't buy a single token since prices rose above 10k?

    I know I didn't, you know they'll drop to 10k again, so just buy enough to last you a while then.

    As for x2 drops... all the items you farm during x2 will drop price by a bit, while the prices of cash shop items go up a bit. It's very dependant on the item how much 'a bit' is though I suppose, so in some cases it might be better for the farmer.

    x2 exp or drops doesn't affect me at all, so I couldn't care less either way.
  • Myrakou - Sanctuary
    Myrakou - Sanctuary Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    ItsAWolf - Archosaur wrote: »
    I know I didn't, you know they'll drop to 10k again, so just buy enough to last you a while then.

    Even if I did that, I can't convince everyone else to do the same. If there were no buyers for 16k tokens, prices wouldn't stay up there.
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  • MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear
    MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Prices go up because of 2x drops.

    2x drops need to stop. It's leading to overinflation!

    Gold was 100k once upon a time - open beta, that's when I joined, so trust me. Gold was never 1.5 million (during sales), and 1.3 mil (off sales).
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  • AshenSkies - Heavens Tear
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Nnorzio_BR - Lost City wrote: »
    None of you are from Lost city server pvp*Your opinion don't matter. lol

    LOL.

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  • Mitachi - Dreamweaver
    Mitachi - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    OP seems to have the IQ below 80. Lets allow op to believe 2x drops is good for pwi.
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  • Sagek - Sanctuary
    Sagek - Sanctuary Posts: 1,156 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Myrakou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Even if I did that, I can't convince everyone else to do the same. If there were no buyers for 16k tokens, prices wouldn't stay up there.

    So are you implying the problem isn't the 2x, it's the merchants?

    I was messing around originally, but after reading peoples post, it's weird how a lot of people are missing that there are two sides to 2x. there are benefits that help people who do not spend real money and there are cons that hurt people by driving the prices up in specific items.

    To simply say it is a bad and being done with it is hurting f2p players. I understand that if **** bag merchants are making a habit of raising prices during this time because they think, "Hey, 2x is on let me jack up my price since now people will have more money to spend!" Then thats the issue and not 2x.

    You should be more upset at Merchants then at 2x.

    thats just my opinion.
  • Myrakou - Sanctuary
    Myrakou - Sanctuary Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You should be more upset at Merchants then at 2x.

    That's less the merchants being douchebags than the players to themselves. If noone would buy, prices wouldn't stay there. Merchants only adapt to what people are willing to pay.

    Why are we talking about merchants only anyway? That goes for anyone who sells or buys stuff.
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  • PurpleNurpul - Raging Tide
    PurpleNurpul - Raging Tide Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So are you implying the problem isn't the 2x, it's the merchants?[...]
    I understand that if **** bag merchants are making a habit of raising prices during this time because they think, "Hey, 2x is on let me jack up my price since now people will have more money to spend!" Then thats the issue and not 2x.

    You should be more upset at Merchants then at 2x.

    thats just my opinion.

    Actually, it should be the other way around. I find it strange that it isn't.

    Higher supply

    Same demand

    Should equal lower prices.

    If some **** merchant jacks his price during 2x drops, it's because he doesn't understand basic economics. His sales will plummet. Don't pay the jacked price. Farm your own mats! I have money, and i still farm most of my mats. Why? because it gives me something to do when i don't feel like grinding.

    Edit to add:

    I think it would make everyone happier if the coin drop was left 1x and the mat drop went to 2x.

    AmIright?
  • Sagek - Sanctuary
    Sagek - Sanctuary Posts: 1,156 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Myrakou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's less the merchants being douchebags than the players to themselves. If noone would buy, prices wouldn't stay there. Merchants only adapt to what people are willing to pay.

    Why are we talking about merchants only anyway? That goes for anyone who sells or buys stuff.

    Oh, I generally consider anyone who sells or buys through a catshop a merchant.

    And as far as, "Merchants only adapt to what people are willing to pay." I might have believed that if I was new to this game.

    But from what i have seen of the merchants is they control the prices and if they want to raise the price of an item all it takes is buying out their competition and setting the price a bit higher. if they kept it at that price for 24 hours other catshops would start selling at that price and or maybe a bit lower. but fact of the matter is they just succuessfully changed the price of an item.
  • Haila - Sanctuary
    Haila - Sanctuary Posts: 467 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Monkeytoes - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The economy today is what it is, in part, because of so many 2x drops events
    another 2x drops period is the LAST thing this game needs

    b:pleased **** the economy I support OP 2x DROPS yeah b:pleased
  • Myrakou - Sanctuary
    Myrakou - Sanctuary Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Oh, I generally consider anyone who sells or buys through a catshop a merchant.

    Everyone influences supply and demand. The big event stuff merchant, the person in wc selling their latest pack luck, even the low level player just buying 3 tokens to get new mp food.
    Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And as far as, "Merchants only adapt to what people are willing to pay." I might have believed that if I was new to this game.

    What you described only works if you got the absolute monopoly with that good. Then you can sell for whatever price, people will be forced to buy.
    However, this doesn't work in our game. If someone really buys up some stock, there will be others, trying to get rid of their stuff for cheaper. Or simply smart people who sell lower but make more profit because unlike their overpriced enemy, they actually sell well.

    Manipulating the market ain't that easy.
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  • ZoracGallant - Raging Tide
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Oh, I generally consider anyone who sells or buys through a catshop a merchant.

    And as far as, "Merchants only adapt to what people are willing to pay." I might have believed that if I was new to this game.

    But from what i have seen of the merchants is they control the prices and if they want to raise the price of an item all it takes is buying out their competition and setting the price a bit higher. if they kept it at that price for 24 hours other catshops would start selling at that price and or maybe a bit lower. but fact of the matter is they just succuessfully changed the price of an item. And if anyone says that doesn't happen than, you haven't been paying attention.

    Indeed that is exactly what happens, supply and demand is how things work in real life and in most games here not so much, items from packs just keep going up, on my server DoT's are selling for 18 mil in catshops and there were several shops last night that had an inventory FULL of them. 2 months ago same supply 14 mil in cost there is no shortage of pack items (i see SoT's, DoD's, Cloudcharger, WTLG, Scripts of Fate all over the place for sale on my server) yet the prices for everything keeps going up, why.... greed is the only conclusion. Those selling don't care if it take them longer to sell something because they know the new r9 +12s still want to shard their shinny gear and they will pull out that Card again to do it.
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  • Sagek - Sanctuary
    Sagek - Sanctuary Posts: 1,156 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Myrakou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    What you described only works if you got the absolute monopoly [...]
    Manipulating the market ain't that easy.

    I know of at least 3 merchants on our server that control or at least influence the current prices on our server, whether they purposally do it, I can't answer that. But with the amount of money they have and the tactics they post about and even have a blog about. Only shows me that they know what they are doing, thats why they have billions worth of inventory.

    I mean our server isn't a 1 million person economy, it's like 5000 strong, if that. (Could be more, I don't know but I know it's not huge.)
  • Myrakou - Sanctuary
    Myrakou - Sanctuary Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I know of at least 3 merchants on our server that control or at least influence the current prices on our server, whether they purposally do it, I can't answer that.

    Of course they influence it. lol I'm assuming you're talking about WarrenWolfy. He even stated himself that if someone tries to monopolize with with higher prices, he himself will just set up a shop with lower prices. Because he will still make profit and his goods will sell.
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  • Sagek - Sanctuary
    Sagek - Sanctuary Posts: 1,156 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Myrakou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Of course they influence it. lol I'm assuming you're talking about WarrenWolfy. He even stated himself that if someone tries to monopolize with with higher prices, he himself will just set up a shop with lower prices. Because he will still make profit and his goods will sell.

    So do you really think 2x has such a bad affect on things? I mean it's not 2x that is causing this. It's the merchants jacking up the prices because they can, and it's the players buying from them that continues to encourage their way of doing business.

    The thing is like any good business person knows, you have to be able to weather a storm or dry spell to be successful. so the fear of players not buying their inventory doesn't scare them. Because they know eventually someones going to buy.
  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Keep the heated discussion up. (Very interesting to read) XD
  • Myrakou - Sanctuary
    Myrakou - Sanctuary Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So do you really think 2x has such a bad affect on things? I mean it's not 2x that is causing this.

    Yes. Because like you said, it's caused by people not giving a damn at which price they buy. And that happens if they got more money than usual.

    It's pretty much a devils circle...
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  • Sagek - Sanctuary
    Sagek - Sanctuary Posts: 1,156 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Myrakou - Sanctuary wrote: »

    Yes. Because like you said, it's caused by people not giving a damn at which price they buy. And that happens if they got more money than usual.

    It's pretty much a devils circle...

    Sad thing is it is truely caused by the uneducated, impaitent, and ultimately the greedy.

    The crazy thing is it's with in a few players hand to change and fix our economy on our server. but they choose not to, whether because it's all the hard work they put into it or because they simply just want more and more money, doesn't matter.

    they could fix this.
  • Myrakou - Sanctuary
    Myrakou - Sanctuary Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
    they could fix this.

    I'm afraid you can't fix idiocy. Unless you make everyone aware and smart... no way. b:surrender

    And the only 'heated' thing here is my hurting head. lol
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  • Sagek - Sanctuary
    Sagek - Sanctuary Posts: 1,156 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Myrakou - Sanctuary wrote: »

    I'm afraid you can't fix idiocy. Unless you make everyone aware and smart... no way. b:surrender

    And the only 'heated' thing here is my hurting head. lol

    lol, >.>

    You know, I am all about free market but free market without some sort of restrictions on it to keep things fair and offer sometype of protect against monopolys would be nice, I mean they broke up TW to prevent 1 faction from having a monopoly on the map, they should consider doing the same with the merchants.

    omg merchants would haaaaaattttttteeeeeee me, lol.
  • Mitachi - Dreamweaver
    Mitachi - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Myrakou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Everyone influences supply and demand. The big event stuff merchant, the person in wc selling their latest pack luck, even the low level player just buying 3 tokens to get new mp food.



    What you described only works if you got the absolute monopoly with that good. Then you can sell for whatever price, people will be forced to buy.
    However, this doesn't work in our game. If someone really buys up some stock, there will be others, trying to get rid of their stuff for cheaper. Or simply smart people who sell lower but make more profit because unlike their overpriced enemy, they actually sell well.

    Manipulating the market ain't that easy.

    I've manipulated the market alot on my catshop. I successfully once made a 200k item go for 2mil, like gba's and ribbons.
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  • Myrakou - Sanctuary
    Myrakou - Sanctuary Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I mean they broke up TW to prevent 1 faction from having a monopoly on the map, they should consider doing the same with the merchants

    I don't know about you but imo PWE got enough influence in the economy already...
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