Deathmatch Arena

Sagek - Sanctuary

So I was trying to run this today, but once we entered the actual Arena room. my friend and I were unable to attack each other, even when we tried to duel. I did notice that when you enter the arena room you are given a Weapon that shows what team your on, so I figure that we had to use that weapon in order to attack. But that weapon is lvl 150. So Idunno whats up with that.

Am I missing something or is the Deathmatch Arena setup for lvl 150 only?

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Its been buggy since as long as I can remember. I think they basically closed it by doing that for now.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

It's been bugged since beta, I don't think they ever finished it, heck I didn't even know you could actually enter it lol, would be nice if they got it working would give no lifers something else to qq about

Sagek - Sanctuary

When you say it's bugged how is it bugged? I did notice the Quest that kept popping in and out. But aside from that, what are the other issues?

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Last I tried, which was over a year ago, it worked just fine. It's really confusing though.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

I've done it before.. it is clunky and poorly designed but seemed to work.

You don't use the item (is it really a weapon?), that thing is just there so the game has a magic way to track how many players are left on each side. Once inside you have to kill the other side and as a reward there is a quest to gain all the stakes for yourself. That reward quest times out in like 30 seconds though so its easy to lose all the stakes lol.

Sagek - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've done it before.. it is clunky and poorly designed but seemed to work.

You don't use the item (is it really a weapon?), that thing is just there so the game has a magic way to track how many players are left on each side. Once inside you have to kill the other side and as a reward there is a quest to gain all the stakes for yourself. That reward quest times out in like 30 seconds though so its easy to lose all the stakes lol.

You remember how long ago that was?

I do have to mention there were only 2 of us.

But we did try 4 times, using NPC 01, 02, 06, and 07.

Arena Register 01 - Took our stake stones and did not port us to the Arena Room but it did give us the option to choose a draw.

Arena Register 02 - ported us to the Arena room but we were unable to attack each other and after timer ran out were ported back to the main room.

Arena Register 06 & 07 were same results as 02.

The 3 times we went in we were unable to attack, even when dueling. the item it gave me to show which team I was on was a Fist weapon, it didn't have dmg but showed range and attack speed but had a 5 min timer and was set to lvl 150.

I really wish this worked I was really looking forward to it.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »

You remember how long ago that was?

I tried 4 times, using NPC 01, 02, 06, and 07.

Arena Register 01 - Took our stake stones and did not port us to the Arena Room but it did give us the option to choose a draw.

Arena Register 02 - ported us to the Arena room but we were unable to attack each other and after timer ran out were ported back to the main room.

Arena Register 06 & 07 were same results as 02.

The 3 times we went in we were unable to attack, even when dueling. the item it gave me to show which team I was on was a Fist weapon, it didn't have dmg but showed range and attack speed but had a 5 min timer and was set to lvl 150.

I really wish this worked I was really looking forward to it.

It was a year ago? Are you sure you guys didnt have faction protections on or something?

Sagek - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

It was a year ago? Are you sure you guys didnt have faction protections on or something?

Pretty sure we were able to duel outside of the arena.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Well if it has broken you aren't missing much. That place is really lame. You're better off finding some abandoned corner of SP.

Sagek - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well if it has broken you aren't missing much. That place is really lame. You're better off finding some abandoned corner of SP.

I liked the idea of making money like that, and practicing for TW and making a lil money.

If it had worked though, I was going to start a thread in the Sanc section, talking about each fight. Maybe do a goofy commentary on Youtube every time there is a fight.

Since PWI doesn't offer any kind of ranking system for the deathmatch arena, I would basicly create one for the Sanc server and if people liked it awesome, and if people didn't oh well at least I tried.

There are a lot of people who want an arena, and if it's possible to dust this one off and get it the attention it needs to be awesome. Than ok. I didn't try sooner just because I've always heard that it was buggy and the times I did at least attempt to look at it in the past, like Mike mentioned it was confusing so I didn't bother.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »

I liked the idea of making money like that, and practicing for TW and making a lil money.

If it had worked though, I was going to start a thread in the Sanc section, talking about each fight. Maybe do a goofy commentary on Youtube every time there is a fight.

Since PWI doesn't offer any kind of ranking system for the deathmatch arena, I would basicly create one for the Sanc server and if people liked it awesome, and if people didn't oh well at least I tried.

There are a lot of people who want an arena, and if it's possible to dust this one off and get it the attention it needs to be awesome. Than ok. I didn't try sooner just because I've always heard that it was buggy and the times I did at least attempt to look at it in the past, like Mike mentioned it was confusing so I didn't bother.

This reminds me of the thread made below.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1345601

Sagek - Sanctuary

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This reminds me of the thread made below.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1345601

Oooh I hadn't seen that, I do like the idea though.

It def fleshs out the specifics to what would happen during the matches.

But what I would hope for is more of a ranking system. not really a new instance.

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear

I attempted this arena probably 6 months ago. At that time, it was working decently well. Unfortunately, it has it's bugs as stated here. It would be nice if PW-CN would actually re-implement some of the old stuff and fix it up.

-Monthly Dungeon Race
-Arena (Fix it up)
-Housing system

I also wish they would have added much more content into the OHT maps/Heaven/Hell. Really, if you don't quest/do your culti, there is no need for these maps at all.

We all know these things won't happen though, lol. Wishful thinking, at best. I know some private servers that have got the arena working better than our version, and have the monthly dungeon race as well.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oooh I hadn't seen that, I do like the idea though.

It def fleshs out the specifics to what would happen during the matches.

But what I would hope for is more of a ranking system. not really a new instance.

I propose this.

Every player that wishes to do something like this make a thread (add to it) in their servers sub-forum.

Title it. PK Tournament. Make 2 posts. 1 with the following, 1 with reserved to add ranking/teams.
Then include the set rules you want. (Example gear/skill restrictions etc)
Have people post their Team (3-10 you specify how many members per team) with Name.
Include an entry fee? (If you want there to be a bidding with it)
Include a Set place and Time that all combatants agree on.
Have both Team Leaders record the match in case any dispute arises of "suspicious activity"(help from outside etc)

Using the 2nd post. List all the teams that wish to be entered.
Then edit once you have a set list and using a Random Number Generate Set up a tournament bracket.
Each team that wins a round gets 2 points.
Losing Team gets 0.5 points.
Individuals would be ranked by " at least 3 judges" based on their class. With an agreement on score.
each person can get up to (but not exceed 3 points per match)
3 - Did the most for their group.
2 - Did a lot but could've supported more
1 - Some help. (Needs improvement).

Quarter / Semi have to win 2/3 rounds
Final has to win 3/5 rounds.

CBA to keep writing this without others opinions first.

Sagek - Sanctuary

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I propose this.

Every player that wishes to do something like this make a thread (add to it) in their servers sub-forum.

Title it. PK Tournament. Make 2 posts. 1 with the following, 1 with reserved to add ranking/teams.
Then include the set rules you want. (Example gear/skill restrictions etc)
Have people post their Team (3-10 you specify how many members per team) with Name.
Include an entry fee? (If you want there to be a bidding with it)
Include a Set place and Time that all combatants agree on.
Have both Team Leaders record the match in case any dispute arises of "suspicious activity"(help from outside etc)

Using the 2nd post. List all the teams that wish to be entered.
Then edit once you have a set list and using a Random Number Generate Set up a tournament bracket.
Each team that wins a round gets 2 points.
Losing Team gets 0.5 points.
Individuals would be ranked by " at least 3 judges" based on their class. With an agreement on score.
each person can get up to (but not exceed 3 points per match)
3 - Did the most for their group.
2 - Did a lot but could've supported more
1 - Some help. (Needs improvement).

Quarter / Semi have to win 2/3 rounds
Final has to win 3/5 rounds.

CBA to keep writing this without others opinions first.

Very nice..

This obviously is something that if it is to be successful can not be done alone. I wonder if it's possible to setup some kind of group for this. 1 person from each server we all help each other so it flows a bit smoother.

Eh, but finding people willing to do that much work for little to no pay and the time it would take... lol yea.. hrmm

Thats why PWE needs to do it, they have people they can pay to do it. Asking that much from the community and offering nothing in return all the while they sit back and receive the benifits.. Idunno.

I would def be interested in doing it though, if there were others out there willing to help, but like I said Idunno how many people would actually be willing to help PWE like that. Esp with the current issue going on right now.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »

Very nice..

This obviously is something that if it is to be successful can not be done alone. I wonder if it's possible to setup some kind of group for this. 1 person from each server we all help each other so it flows a bit smoother.

Eh, but finding people willing to do that much work for little to no pay and the time it would take... lol yea.. hrmm

Thats why PWE needs to do it, they have people they can pay to do it. Asking that much from the community and offering nothing in return all the while they sit back and receive the benifits.. Idunno.

I would def be interested in doing it though, if there were others out there willing to help, but like I said Idunno how many people would actually be willing to help PWE like that. Esp with the current issue going on right now.

I would have no problem starting one up for Heavens Tear. Maybe if we are super nice and the Mod's/GM's approve we can have it stickied temporarily. And give support to this. It might bring back some people. The issue would be on to agreeing on terms about gear/team size/ skills/wagering or not / point system/ etc so we can all have easier time with an accurate rankign sytem etc.

Sagek - Sanctuary

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

gear/team size/ skills/wagering or not / point system/ etc so we can all have easier time with an accurate rankign sytem etc.

I imagine keep it simple, have gear translate into weight classes, R9 = heavy weight, etc.

this can be 1v1, 2v2, etc. Altho I personally will try to focus on 1v1 tournaments. I think it would be neat for each server to have a champion, you know make some legends.

I guess to keep it fair maybe depending on the size of the match, try to keep it class specific? Unless the fighters are willing to go against another class.

Entrance fee, winners get that, the higher ranking fighters will cost more. I guess could work out some type of standard fee? whatevers fair and does not scare off people from taking a chance.

Keeping track of ranking and stats, this is going to be most of the work.. I was just thinking of keeping track in excel and posting from those numbers, I would want to get creative so if I could keep track of even dmg or whatever and add that into that stats, that would be cool.

I think after a while doing high lights of players on youtube would be fun, even if they could do a skype or vent chat.. silly interview or whatever.

But you know give them a little spot light.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »

I imagine keep it simple, have gear translate into weight classes, R9 = heavy weight, etc.

this can be 1v1, 2v2, etc. Altho I personally will try to focus on 1v1 tournaments. I think it would be neat for each server to have a champion, you know make some legends.

I guess to keep it fair maybe depending on the size of the match, try to keep it class specific? Unless the fighters are willing to go against another class.

Entrance fee, winners get that, the higher ranking fighters will cost more. I guess could work out some type of standard fee, whatevers fair and does not scare off people from taking a chance.

Keeping track of ranking and stats, this is going to be most of the work.. I was just thinking of keeping track in excel and posting from those numbers, I would want to get creative so if I could keep track of even dmg or whatever and add that into that stats, that would be cool.

I think after a while doing high lights of players on youtube would be fun, even if they could do a skype or vent chat.. silly interview or whatever.

But you know give them a little spot light.

Oh, I was aiming for a Team based PVP tournament.
3v3 6v6 10v10 etc.
Restricting gear so all could play (Example Heaven/Hell gear only) Refine up to +3 max.
Find a balance everyone would be willing to pay like 1mil per member of the team. GM's could participate by being the banker. (Showing some support to the community in a sense that way.) Yes a balanced ranking / track will take googledocs for accuracy. Damage and other factors would be unfair, as some classes can't hit as high as others.

Sagek - Sanctuary

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh, I was aiming for a Team based PVP tournament.
3v3 6v6 10v10 etc.
Restricting gear so all could play (Example Heaven/Hell gear only) Refine up to +3 max.
Find a balance everyone would be willing to pay like 1mil per member of the team. GM's could participate by being the banker. (Showing some support to the community in a sense that way.) Yes a balanced ranking / track will take googledocs for accuracy. Damage and other factors would be unfair, as some classes can't hit as high as others.

Would be way better if we offered both. I can help you with whatever you would need to pursue that, if you wouldn't mind helping me with the 1v1 at times.

3v3, 6v6, 10v10 would be fun, people could make teams and even see if
maybe if some of the people who design art work would be willing to design team images for them. That way when we did the youtube we could display them.

Hrmm presenting it and figuring out the locations will be something, else. We can have designated areas for these matchs, thats way it's not the same setting everytime.

I really like what you mentioned about including the GM, would be cool if they actually showed support.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

So I propose making a new thread with a polling system in the general section and server sub-forums. Seeing if people would participate in this.

Ill make a very nice detailed one. and you can add to it and then go from there?

Include both our ideas and idea people would have they could add to it. See about asking for support for this from PWE Staff etc? Of course players on the forums we would ask if they could help advertise this by using Teles (so people would look at the forums and sign up as well / add ideas)

How about for the Team based 3v3 6v6 10v10 etc. everyone is forced to use a set gear. the 1v1s can use their own gear. and go from there?

Edit: Want your opinions first before i do it.

Sagek - Sanctuary

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So I propose making a new thread with a polling system in the general section and server sub-forums. Seeing if people would participate in this.

Ill make a very nice detailed one. and you can add to it and then go from there?

Include both our ideas and idea people would have they could add to it. See about asking for support for this from PWE Staff etc? Of course players on the forums we would ask if they could help advertise this by using Teles (so people would look at the forums and sign up as well / add ideas)

How about for the Team based 3v3 6v6 10v10 etc. everyone is forced to use a set gear. the 1v1s can use their own gear. and go from there?

Ok cool, thank you by the way. It's really cool to see someone else willing to put in effort to make this game not only fun for themselves, but for everyone.

One thing I have to ask though, what are we going to call this? Deathmatch? naa..
Also will this be something weekly or daily?

I like idea with the teams being gear restricted. That really will require them to play their Class with skill.

You think it's cool if we post in all the sever subsections?

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ok cool, thank you by the way. It's really cool to see someone else willing to put in effort to make this game not only fun for themselves, but for everyone.

One thing I have to ask though is what are we going to call this? Deathmatch? naa..
Also will this be something weekly or daily?

I like idea with the teams being gear restricted. That really will require them to play their Class with skill.

You think it's cool if we post in all the sever subsections?

Well depending on the turnout it would be either weekly or daily. (Quarter/Semi/Finals would be reserved for weekends only for more potential viewers.)

Tournaments would be named something along the lines of.
1st Official PWI #v# Tournament.
PWI #v# Tournament Season #.
etc etc

Yes I think we should (as long as the MODs / GM's Realize this isn't spam/flooding.) Not everyone checks general section. So placing it in all servers (hopefully one player from each server will step up to run it.) allows everyone to know. As well as Worldchat advertising will be needed.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »

PM or mention here if you start writing something out, will follow this while I come up with a outline for a ranking spreadsheet. What are somethings you would want to see in the rankings?

By the way if anyones reading this and has anything they would like to mention or suggest or even say this is a bad idea, please feel free too.

Well my husband and I are going to be out for my birthday this weekend, so I'm not sure if I will have it done until next week(finished.) I will start making a rough draft and if you want I can submit that and you and others can add that until we have a solid version everyone approves to disperse out to the sub-forums for it to officially begin.

Make Rankings Class specific like it is on the website.

Example.
Cleric - Most Heals/Revives/DoTs sleeps debuffs etc applied
Barb - Best use of tanking / Intteruptions etc
BM - Best use of amps / debuffs / stunlocking
Archer - Best Overall DD output
Psy - Best Overall DD output
Wizard - Best Overall DD output
Seeker - Best use of amps / debuffs / etc
Mystic - Best use of pet and plants / heals / etc
Veno - Best use of pet / debuff purge / etc
Assassin - (LOL trying to think of something where they would be useful without aps.) Amp / debuffs i guess

Sagek - Sanctuary

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well my husband and I are going to be out for my birthday this weekend, so I'm not sure if I will have it done until next week(finished.) I will start making a rough draft and if you want I can submit that and you and others can add that until we have a solid version everyone approves to disperse out to the sub-forums for it to officially begin.

Make Rankings Class specific like it is on the website.

Example.
Cleric - Most Heals/Revives/DoTs sleeps debuffs etc applied
Barb - Best use of tanking / Intteruptions etc
BM - Best use of amps / debuffs / stunlocking
Archer - Best Overall DD output
Psy - Best Overall DD output
Wizard - Best Overall DD output
Seeker - Best use of amps / debuffs / etc
Mystic - Best use of pet and plants / heals / etc
Veno - Best use of pet / debuff purge / etc
Assassin - (LOL trying to think of something where they would be useful without aps.) Amp / debuffs i guess

Yea, no rush at all on this. That sounds like a decent amount of time to come up with something.

idunno how I could track that stuff, without actual data from pwi and I doubt that would be accessible. maybe keep it simply, who won the match and in what time they did it?

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yea, no rush at all on this. That sounds like a decent amount of time to come up with something.

idunno how I could track that stuff, without actual data from pwi and I doubt that would be accessible. maybe keep it simply, who won the match and in what time they did it?

I suggest then.

going back to the point system. Have "at least 3 judges" that have no direct relation to any of the combatants and who players agree "have a very good understanding of the classes".
Each player can earn no more then 3 points per fight. and go from there?

frankieraye

Here's a tutorial on the Deathmatch Arena.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP5o1WSIyhM

Sagek - Sanctuary

frankieraye wrote: »

Here's a tutorial on the Deathmatch Arena.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP5o1WSIyhM

Yea, did everything just like in that video except when we were ported into the room we were unable to attack each other, if we used skills they would start but would never finish. Thank you for posting that though I really appreciate it.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I suggest then.

going back to the point system. Have "at least 3 judges" that have no direct relation to any of the combatants and who players agree "have a very good understanding of the classes".
Each player can earn no more then 3 points per fight. and go from there?

hrmm

Depending on the size of the team we could go as far as having a 128 Team Single Elimination.