These Are My Issues With This Dying Game. What Are Yours?

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

ogunernile wrote: »

take a look in the mirror buddy. the results are representation of the people i interviewed. 20 different people each from 5 different servers. i play a r9 cleric as my main. i don't care about being the best, i like to help people. i made my cleric r9 just so i could help anywhere when needed. you can attack me all you want cause i am not looking for complaints about the complaints i listed. i am looking for a debate to widen my point f view or viable proposals that will be seen by devs when they read this.

20 different people is nowhere near a sizable sample size to say these are the biggest issues. And I wonder what question you asked them exactly, because the majority of the people I know do not care about server switching. Not only that, but server switching in general comes up far less often on the forums than most other complaints.


As for your restaurant comparison, I have been too restaurants that did complete overhauls of their menus. And I did inquire as to what happened with the old one. Every time they either were under new management, or they were wanted to experiment with a new menu to increase revenue. And you know what? If I didn't like anything on the menu anymore, I just stopped going. There are plenty of restaurants out there serving a specific type of cuisine. No need for letters to the managers, no need for sitting their everyday ordering food I didn't like and complaining about it. No need for a crusade to try and change it. At the end of the day, it's their restaurant. And if I don't like it, I can leave. They will go out of business if they don't get enough new customers who do like it to balance out the ones that leave because of the changes. That hasn't happened with this game. SO clearly someone likes it.


Oh and if used teles you are automatically biasing your survey results as well. Or spoke to people in world chat or in guilds. The most outspoken players generally have the same complaints, but that doesn't mean the majority of the game shares those views.

ogunernile

Read your title again

"Dying game"

Doesn't really sound you're fair an neutral with it,despite how much you try look"professional",your point of view its clearly biased.

my point was not to sound neutral. it was to convey the feelings of many in as few words as possible. i personally don't care and was happy to keep my findings to myself. i am pretty sure if i praised the gamed i'd be defending my points from people who feel this way, rather that the ones who fee like you. so what's the point? that those that invested the time to talk to me have an accurate representation of their gripes.

tormensoth

Lets face it, the game has alot of facets, so theres gonna be alot ways in which things can get put out of balance. Now your first statment has some merit. The Rising Tide Expansion did a number on the entire balance thing. And I was one of those dedicated (only gonna play a single toon) players. And it can be a very tough road when say your an archer. Now I complained how OP the sins were like most, then I finally tried my own sin and realized how expensive of a class it is to be OP. The OPs didnt get that way out of the Box, it cost them a ton to get that way.

And as far as Clerics go, what more skills do these guys need to get into a squad? They are the main component of any squad and every level. They can run casters nirvana and regular nirvana, while most players cant get into either.

Personally I love the latest expansion, things have been balanced a great deal. If your not happy playing, then I would say change your toon and change your guild, its very much a group sport here, that is unless your an OP sin.

Safeng - Sanctuary

Dude, please take a mirror. You say I insulted you. I didn't. And yet you still keep throwing personal insults at me? What a mature way and professional way to argue.

ogunernile wrote: »

oh wait i get it, you work for PWI, they put your kids through college and now you wanna show them loyalty. or maybe, you're an r9 that is happy being unkillable and don't care if other classes suffer. which is the most likely of the three.

That is a bunch of QQ. Far from professional there.

ogunernile

20 different people is nowhere near a sizable sample size to say these are the biggest issues. And I wonder what question you asked them exactly, because the majority of the people I know do not care about server switching. Not only that, but server switching in general comes up far less often on the forums than most other complaints.


As for your restaurant comparison, I have been too restaurants that did complete overhauls of their menus. And I did inquire as to what happened with the old one. Every time they either were under new management, or they were wanted to experiment with a new menu to increase revenue. And you know what? If I didn't like anything on the menu anymore, I just stopped going. There are plenty of restaurants out there serving a specific type of cuisine. No need for letters to the managers, no need for sitting their everyday ordering food I didn't like and complaining about it. No need for a crusade to try and change it. At the end of the day, it's their restaurant. And if I don't like it, I can leave. They will go out of business if they don't get enough new customers who do like it to balance out the ones that leave because of the changes. That hasn't happened with this game. SO clearly someone likes it.


Oh and if used teles you are automatically biasing your survey results as well. Or spoke to people in world chat or in guilds. The most outspoken players generally have the same complaints, but that doesn't mean the majority of the game shares those views.

in our neighborhood, we got the cook to go back. also unless the restaurant is so big time that people go there to be seen and not to eat [which the food doesn't matter anyway] the owners look after the patrons that bring them business. ask any owner and they'll tell you that's how it's done.

if you want i'll email you a copy of the survey, i have a behavioral science degree so part of my job is understanding populations thru a micro selection. 100 people are enough if you are sure to include a proper representation of varying race/gender, socio-economic status, activity levels and educational background and level of interest. to conduct a survey you use screening questions till you have your population representation to a reasonably accurate level then you get the to meat of it once you do. i set the question to be open ended rather than multiple choice and contacted those whose ideas when read could not be codified until fully understood.

ogunernile

Dude, please take a mirror. You say I insulted you. I didn't. And yet you still keep throwing personal insults at me? What a mature way and professional way to argue.

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Originally Posted by ogunernile View Post
oh wait i get it, you work for PWI, they put your kids through college and now you wanna show them loyalty. or maybe, you're an r9 that is happy being unkillable and don't care if other classes suffer. which is the most likely of the three.
That is a bunch of QQ. Far from professional there.

again...nothing about a viable solution or another way to see things. *yawns* my last response to you if you don't come back with something real.

Safeng - Sanctuary

ogunernile wrote: »

again...nothing about a viable solution or another way to see things. *yawns* my last response to you if you don't come back with something real.

I can't be bothered to read that wall of QQ-text.

But I foresee this thread being closed pretty soon. Go on with your smart insults. Just know you don't actually look as smart as you think you do. b:chuckle

ogunernile

I can't be bothered to read that wall of QQ-text.

But I foresee this thread being closed pretty soon. Go on with your smart insults. Just know you don't actually look as smart as you think you do.

but yet you can be bothered to reply to a post you don't even care about?

*yawns*

next.....

Safeng - Sanctuary

ogunernile wrote: »

but yet you can be bothered to reply to a post you don't even care about?

I wasn't replying to that. I was replying to your bunch of QQ. Because it's simply wrong.
Would have thought that was obvious given I even quoted that post.

Kyna - Lost City

ogunernile wrote: »

but yet you can be bothered to reply to a post you don't even care about?

*yawns*

next.....

You know any sane and intellectual person that's this bored would find something to do that doesn't actually, you know, bore them. With the amount of "yawns" this guy has typed I expect to see a random string of letters after his head hits his keyboard.

This thread is pretty fail, so many of these =_=;;;

I'mma go play my star wars MMO now

ogunernile

I wasn't replying to that. I was replying to your bunch of QQ. Because it's simply wrong.
Would have thought that was obvious given I even quoted that post.

again simpleton, all this was from i can't read run on sentences, qq, you're complaining, qq, i got an itch i can't scratch qq. if you have no viable input then you are simply trolling. and i not you, am an idiot for trying to see if there is anything productive you have to say.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

I thought this thread might stay on track and interesting, but it died due to the squabble from page 2 on. >.<

Kyna - Lost City

Oh Oh he's callin people "simpletons!" Watch out we got a badass over here

Safeng - Sanctuary

ogunernile wrote: »

again simpleton, all this was from i can't read run on sentences, qq, you're complaining, qq, i got an itch i can't scratch qq. if you have no viable input then you are simply trolling. and i not you, am an idiot for trying to see if there is anything productive you have to say.

You like calling people stupid, don't you?

ogunernile

I thought this thread might stay on track and interesting, but it died due to the squabble from page 2 on. >.<

you are absolutely right. i was hoping i get some real debaters soon. i don't mind if you don't agree. just show me or explain where i am wrong or bring up some other points the we can discus and have a few viable proposals. but the undercover trolls need to try and squash any ideas that might bring to light the issues in a manner that would require a tangible solution

Kyna - Lost City

Safeng - Sanctuary wrote: »

You like calling people stupid, don't you?

He does, and he has a minimum word limit of like, 140 words just to say that. Gotta love those people xD

ogunernile

You like calling people stupid, don't you?

actually no, i like calling people friend. now i know you disagree....make some points that don't offend any involved or reading and explain to me why you think your points make the ones i posted invalid. keep it impersonal and be prepared to defend your points without feeling like you're being attacked. and let's just move on.

ogunernile

He does, and he has a minimum word limit of like, 140 words just to say that. Gotta love those people xD

k now you got it out your system have anything interesting or relevant to say?

Safeng - Sanctuary

ogunernile wrote: »

keep it impersonal and be prepared to defend your points without feeling like you're being attacked. and let's just move on.

Oh, calling me stupid is impersonal? Right.

I also find it amazing that you claim to be so educated, yet fail to capitalize words.

Kyna - Lost City

ogunernile wrote: »

k now you got it out your system have anything interesting or relevant to say?

I've already said something interesting and relevant, but allow me to explain in more detail.

You want to fix the game? Forget it. Play another one, that ISN'T Chinese, and quit your whining. The game's been on a steady decline for quite some time now and the developers don't care what you have to say about it. So posting a thread like this is 100% a waste of time unless you can have fun with it.

Which is why it attracts trolls.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

For your survey, did you use random stratified sampling?

What kinds of questions did you ask and in what were they worded?

I just find it hard to believe that "switching servers" and "upgrading midware" came up frequently enough to be in the top complaints but it doesn't appear Hyper FC came up at all despite the constant QQ about it in guild chat, world chat, and numerous people even taking the time out of their everyday to lure bosses to snowy village. I would suspect if you had a good amount of people it would have come up at least more often than "upgrade the midware" unless these are your own interpretations of the data that you collected.

I don't know for sure, OFC. But those two in particular jump out at me as something that may have resulted from a leading question of some sort. Or bias in the sampling. I mean I'm sure if you haven't really dabbled in coding/that sort of thing you are unlikely to know what midware even actually means.

SabanwolfxXx - Archosaur

Your flippin crazy if you dont like this game, this game rocks my face off! You know what i see level 100 characters in every class so i know its not the games fault, must be the user. I also figure that your face looks like this right now b:cry

ogunernile

lol.......the end troll master. capitals? that's the best you could do? lmao, now i don't care what have to say. trying to cultivate a conversation with you is pointless. i hope PWI pays you well to trolls those that bring up the mid-ware or other real issues.

ogunernile

Your flippin crazy if you dont like this game, this game rocks my face off! You know what i see level 100 characters in every class so i know its not the games fault, must be the user. I also figure that your face looks like this right now

lol, okay. i'll just leave that one alone. too easy.

Kyna - Lost City

ogunernile wrote: »

lol.......the end troll master. capitals? that's the best you could do? lmao, now i don't care what have to say. trying to cultivate a conversation with you is pointless. i hope PWI pays you well to trolls those that bring up the mid-ware or other real issues.

Other "real" issues that will never be fixed since I'm pretty sure that you don't speak Chinese. So all of this complaining outside of a ticket, is really going to do you no good and there's no point in it. As a matter of fact, I doubt that even a ticket will do you much good.

Have fun wasting your time stressing over pointless endeavors... I got a Smuggler to level b:bye

Smuggler FTW

Safeng - Sanctuary

I just think it's a funny way for someone to type if you want to be taken seriously. English isn't my mothertongue but I give my best with spelling on here. Because I want to be taken seriously.

Sagek - Sanctuary

My only complaint is there are no real puzzles in the game. Ok so if everything is super easy with gears/aps then give me a challenge some other way like making me think a little.

chaoticshelly

Valid topic so far, but it's been reposted in another place - OP, please avoid reposting in the future... That could get your topics closed.

ogunernile

For your survey, did you use random stratified sampling?

What kinds of questions did you ask and in what were they worded?

I just find it hard to believe that "switching servers" and "upgrading midware" came up frequently enough to be in the top complaints but it doesn't appear Hyper FC came up at all despite the constant QQ about it in guild chat, world chat, and numerous people even taking the time out of their everyday to lure bosses to snowy village. I would suspect if you had a good amount of people it would have come up at least more often than "upgrade the midware" unless these are your own interpretations of the data that you collected.

I don't know for sure, OFC. But those two in particular jump out at me as something that may have resulted from a leading question of some sort. Or bias in the sampling. I mean I'm sure if you haven't really dabbled in coding/that sort of thing you are unlikely to know what midware even actually means.

first off midware is a general term for any programming that serves to kinda stick together or mediate between two separate and often already existing programs. A common application of middleware is to allow programs written for access to a particular database to access other databases. the participants didn't know what that meant [most of them at least] but they stated time and time again the old skills for psys and sins, the lack of aggro attention for barbs and a few other class skills needed to be changed. will researching as to why it hasn't occurred the mid-ware issue came up as the main reason why the have not. ergo they want the skills clanged but to do that you have to change the midware cause the old design team left. ergo, change the midware->change the game. save the cheerleader save the world. and we used random stratified sampling, to keep the relevant stratums and their actual representation in the population. we then used random sampling to select a sufficient number of subjects from each stratum.

Elanxu - Dreamweaver

ogunernile wrote: »

...[crickets echo]...

lol that made me laugh. but i agree with everything you wrote. i actually bothered to read it.