Jaden Emperor's Defiance

Vindis - Dreamweaver

Anyone have one?

I have been considering going for a purge bow next, since I have acquired my LG NV pants and am working towards the 2nd cast hat as a goal currently. I am saving raps on the side, but I am still curious about the bow.

PWcalc shows the attack on it as a little lower than my r8 bow at +7. If I got one, I would try for Spirit Blackhole or +20 atk lvls.

Any input or suggestions are welcome

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear

Have you considered just getting the R9 bow + Ring?

With the number of rerolls you have to do, on average, for Spirit Blackhole, I think it comes out cheaper to just get the R9 bow. And the R9 bow does significantly more damage.

Even if you were just aiming for Soul Shatter, the jump from Nirvana 2nd cast to R9 isn't that unreasonable. More effort, yes, but not impossible.

Unless Nirvana materials are just that cheap on your server.

Vindis - Dreamweaver

No, Raps are like 1.6-2mil. Cannies are 300k-360k.

It isn't that cheap I guess. I am relatively unsure of the cost of r9. I've always assumed it was beyond what I wanted to aim for lol.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear

With gold at 1.4m, I think Ring + Bow is 1.0b - 1.2b . This does not include the price of reputation.

Compare with Nirvana 2nd cast:

Heaven Shatterer is 30m (?)
250 x 1.8m = 450m
2nd socket is 16,000 Socket Stones. At 10k each, that's 160m
So the base item is 540m.

Then you have rerolls of 12.6m each. You have a 1 in 40 chance of getting Spirit Blackhole, so that's 40x12.6m = 504m on average for rerolls.

If you are satisfied with Soul Shatter, then I guess 2nd Cast Nirvana may be enough for you. But if you are aiming for Spirit Blackhole, just go for R9 bow.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

I did 16 rolls on my jaden before giving up on spirit blackhole

1. stun, dex+19, crit+1%
2. purge, vit+19, phys att+100*
3. stun, att lev+1, hp+345
4. stun, mp+310, crit+1%
5. purge, str+19, mag+19
6. purge, dex+19, crit+1*
7. stun, str+18, maxatt+130
8. purge, dex+18, hp+345*
9. purge, str+19, mp+310
10. stun, crit+1, str+19
11. stun, str+19, mag+18
12. purge, att lev+1, crit+1*
13. stun, phys att +100, mp+310
14. purge, str+19, dex+19
15. purge, crit+1, mp+310
16. purge, phy att+100, dex+18*

5 of them came with purge + 2 good stats. So thats like a 30% chance if that's what youre going for.

R9 bow is much much better.

Hurrdurr - Lothranis

I did 7 rerolls :

1 - Stun +350 HP + 350 HP
2- Purge +19 str +1% crit
3 - stun +310 MP + 100 attack
4 - stun +100 attack + 310MP
5 - stun +1% crit -0.05%
6 - stun magic attack level 1
7 - purge +19 str +18 vit
8 - purge +100 attack +1% crit

7 reforges (8 tries) 1 time I get two 'decent' stats.

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv242/boogiepanda/bow.gif

^ .gif of first 6 reforges.

Vindis - Dreamweaver

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

With gold at 1.4m, I think Ring + Bow is 1.0b - 1.2b . This does not include the price of reputation.

Compare with Nirvana 2nd cast:

Heaven Shatterer is 30m (?)
250 x 1.8m = 450m
2nd socket is 16,000 Socket Stones. At 10k each, that's 160m
So the base item is 540m.

Then you have rerolls of 12.6m each. You have a 1 in 40 chance of getting Spirit Blackhole, so that's 40x12.6m = 504m on average for rerolls.

If you are satisfied with Soul Shatter, then I guess 2nd Cast Nirvana may be enough for you. But if you are aiming for Spirit Blackhole, just go for R9 bow.

I would probably be satisfied with Soul Shatter. Any good roll with purge on it would be good enough.

Question: Would using chienkungs to keep a 2 soc HS be worth it? Just curious, I only recently made my legs (like 2 nights ago) and they only came with 2 sockets.

If I could buy chienkungs to cut costs I would be interested in that.

And yeah, HS is around 30-35 mil refined on my server. I could probably get one for cheap from a friend if I tried.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

I'm a sin with Jaden Emperor - Defiance. It has 1 socket and is +10, and I've rerolled it ~7-10 times, and didn't get any of the "advanced" stats (Blackhole, Advanced stun, 20 attack levels).

I stopped at Soul Shatter, +350 HP, and Max Attack + 130.

My first stats on it (casting it from 1st to 2nd) was Soul Shatter, -int, and Dex + 19. I regret rerolling it.

I remember HurrDurr raging at how lucky I was, then raged at me for rerolling it XD.


But back on topic, it's really up to you. The only reason I suggest going with 2nd cast Nirvy is because you can stash it to other characters. My sin uses it because of her high dex and whatnot, but also because my archer will use it. Kind of sad how I got this bow before making an archer. He's 38 and leveling!

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear

Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I would probably be satisfied with Soul Shatter. Any good roll with purge on it would be good enough.

Question: Would using chienkungs to keep a 2 soc HS be worth it? Just curious, I only recently made my legs (like 2 nights ago) and they only came with 2 sockets.

If I could buy chienkungs to cut costs I would be interested in that.

And yeah, HS is around 30-35 mil refined on my server. I could probably get one for cheap from a friend if I tried.

On the off-chance you are unaware, Spirit Blackhole has 30% proc rate, vs. 5% that Soul Shatter has.

As for Chienkuns, it depends on the sale. When not on sale, then no. When on sale, it depends on how much off, I think. During the last week of December when they were on sale, it was worth it for the second socket. I didn't check for shards / refines.

I suggest making a spreadsheet and do some computations for the cost of the chienkuns + 2 socket HS vs socket stones.

Nael - Dreamweaver

I lost count of how many rerolls I did (pretty sure enough for at least another g13 Nirvana weapon) but I've never gotten Adv. Purge nor the Attack level add.

You can get regular purge pretty often though. This is what I have now (which isn't horrible) and I'm going to leave it at this until I'm bored with coins.
http://oi40.tinypic.com/1z1csk5.jpg

I'm also a firm believer in future G16 Nirvana so I'm hoping I won't have to result in switching to R9 to be effective.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

On the off-chance you are unaware, Spirit Blackhole has 30% proc rate, vs. 5% that Soul Shatter has.

I wish it was that high.. the one time I tested it with a trial of 500 arrows I recorded 24 blackhole procs vs 21 soul shatter procs. It's probably no more than 1-2% higher.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

On the off-chance you are unaware, Spirit Blackhole has 30% proc rate, vs. 5% that Soul Shatter has.

As for Chienkuns, it depends on the sale. When not on sale, then no. When on sale, it depends on how much off, I think. During the last week of December when they were on sale, it was worth it for the second socket. I didn't check for shards / refines.

I suggest making a spreadsheet and do some computations for the cost of the chienkuns + 2 socket HS vs socket stones.

Wait what? My proc rate does not feel like 30%...

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear

That's what I heard... well, then I guess it's not as good as I thought.


Any chance anyone knows the actual proc rate of Blood Veangeance?

Hurrdurr - Lothranis

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wish it was that high.. the one time I tested it with a trial of 500 arrows I recorded 24 blackhole procs vs 21 soul shatter procs. It's probably no more than 1-2% higher.

Were you skill spamming in trials? Most archers skills does not trigger purge since it has status effect which can skewer the result :<

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »

Were you skill spamming in trials? Most archers skills does not trigger purge since it has status effect which can skewer the result :<

Normal arrows on ancient sea dragon

Hurrdurr - Lothranis

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Normal arrows on ancient sea dragon

<_< derp moment. Read that as 'tested in trials' not 'tested it with a trial' so I assumed that you were spamming skills.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

On the off-chance you are unaware, Spirit Blackhole has 30% proc rate, vs. 5% that Soul Shatter has.

Someone really should tell my bow that.