End game build

tnott

How much i will spend for this build and what you think about this build?
http://pwcalc.com/3cef0ab9c720f1a2

if pw calc is off :
Aftermath - nirvana +10
2 Sign of Antiquity : Chaos +10
Kirins Storm +10 (how do i get this item??)
Springrush Amulet : Chaos +10 (how do i get this item too ?)
Warsoul of Heaven +10
Calm Robe : Lunar Glade +10
Tales of Beaty ( book +15 dex)
Set 99 magic ( archangel's footwear , leggings , robe and wristguards all +10)

2 Attacks stone lvl 10
14 Defend stones lvl 10
4 Hp stones lvl 10

Stats : -42% Channeling
Reduce Physical damage taken +9%
Base attributes : 106 vit , 54 str , 30 dex , 325 mag
Critical rate : 12%
Magic atk : 11086-1198
Hp : 8736 MP : 8458
Physical Def : 8308
Magic defence :13390

Its good ? Or can be better ? How much i spend if buy all the materials to forge ? With this money i can do 200k reputation (if 200k reputation is better) ? I dont have money for R9 set...

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

If i had an endless supply of money i would go for this (excluding Rank 9). Slightly more expensive , less HP but more Defence lvls and most importantly , magic attack


http://pwcalc.com/a6872f29519e1803

Lana - Raging Tide

Oh my where to start. Im not sure if youre a troll or if youre for real here -.-

First off, from the money you use to +10 both rings (which is a waste IMO) you can easily get rank 8 (200k rep=72 gold, 6x10* orbs ~125 gold).

Also TT99 set, apart from the wrists, is a waste of money. stats are bad and unnessecary. The chest youd get from rank 8 are way better, the r8 pants are kinda bad, but if you use r8 weapon instead of Nirvana, you could try to make Nirvana pants or r8 recast if you feel like gambling abit for good stats.

Next: why would a cleric need a +15 dex tome? -.- (or 30 dex to start with as you have in your calc?) Replace with magic or Mag/Vit mix or Vit tome.

Ive never seen that belt or neck, so i dont know where youd get that or if those are even in game. If you want the cheap choice, go for Guard of Thundershock for belt and Neck of Giant Strength (TT90 Gold). If you want to put some money into it, get a Cube neck and a warsong belt (if you plan to refine above +7, below that Guard of Thundershock is still the better choice).

Helmet is pretty good as it is.

The shards... if you go for end game, i dont know why you would chose incomparable shards. If youre rich, go for JoSD, however, if youre rich enough to get JoSDs, youre rich enough to get full r9. So you could go for the cheaper Citrine Gems/Garnet Shards instead (or Vitality) and Sapphire Gems for your weapon.

Heres what i made off your calc by replacing a few items (didnt remove your shards cause too lazy....)
http://pwcalc.com/33431fb486672a37

Your set would cost about 370mil without shards, refines, neck and belt.

My set would cost about 270 mil without shards and refines.

Rough estimate, dont quote me on it -.-

Decus - Dreamweaver

The belt doesn't exist in the game, but the neck does. It's gold Lunar gear, and is easy enough to make. The question is, why would you when there are so many cheaper, easier, and equitable alternatives?

Prophete - Dreamweaver

About the necklace: in my opinion, it's the best necklace for a cleric, let aside a cube neck.
You should be able to make that necklace for around 40m. Be careful though, most mats are difficult to get since they drop on another path than the one with Hauntery Queen. You can maybe find some people selling the necklace already refined.

For the TT99, I agree totally with what has been said above: don't +10 it, it's not worth it. Get nirvana, it's not that expensive, you can farm it, it has better stats and will refine better.
And go R8. I hate to have the same weapon has every other cleric, but the weapon is awsome

Elanxu - Dreamweaver

This set of gear below is a lot cheaper and in my opinion a lot better for your money (i did not refine everything to +10). I also restated all points into magic, because once you begin to refine your equipment, you no longer need VIT. and you never needed dex or str in the first place.

http://pwcalc.com/588dd94683b05faa

Few notes:
This set is not endgame gear, and if you want endgame gear, you probably want to save up for nirvana. This is simply showing what I would have gotten with the amount of money that you would spend on your proposed endgame set.

If you want to save some money, you can replace the puzzle cube badge and cape with sky demon's pearl and cape of elite leather. if you get these substitutes, they are not worth refining to +10.

Personally, I never used TT99 armor, because TT90 was really good and cheap. Do not refine TT90 past +5, because its not really worth the money.

You can put whatever shards you want into your equipment. I liked citrines because they help with both magic and physical survivability. The best and most expensive shards, however, are jades of steady defense. I currently have a mixture of citrine gems, DoTs, and jades in my armor. It is completely up to you, and yes if you are an attack cleric, DoTs can be nice.

General badge comes free with rank8, so might as well grab that awesome ring. althought it doesnt give a phys def bonus, it gives an hp bonus, as well as more crit and most importantly, more damage.

The reason I did not get the TT99 pants was because TT90 pants give a really nice 191 phys def bonus, and is like 10 times cheaper than archangel. The rank pants are cheap but dont have this bonus.

The tome is dependent on your current HP and weapon. The better your weapon/the more HP refinements you currently have, the more you want to consider getting a pure magic tome. If you have few armor refinements and your weapon is weak, you want a hybrid tome.

Below is the gear when I first got to level 100. This is a very cheap set of non-endgame gear that worked well for me for a long time. Yes, I know the crappy shards and lvl 77 sleeves and everything else look really ghetto, but they were cheap ways of getting the stat bonuses that I needed. Since I had low refinements at the time, I made sure I had some vit to make up for it. 5k hp is generally the baseline.

http://pwcalc.com/ca9193311bcd7088

I hope this helps. And this is just my opinion, so all of you know it-alls who patrol the forums, please dont hate on me. ijs b:victory

Eoria - Harshlands

Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You can put whatever shards you want into your equipment. I liked citrines because they help with both magic and physical survivability. The best and most expensive shards, however, are jades of steady defense. I currently have a mixture of citrine gems, DoTs, and jades in my armor. It is completely up to you, and yes if you are an attack cleric, DoTs can be nice.

I lol'd. Sharding DoTs on a cleric (or any support class for that matter) is dumb. There is no such thing as an "attack cleric". There are clerics and then there are metal mages...metal mages should just go reroll to wizzie or psy because they are useless otherwise.




@OP~ Work towards something like this: http://pwcalc.com/897b75e4f2b54c89

Do not +10 wep until everything else but your rings are +10. As a cleric, your defenses and ability to survive matter the most, not your heal/attack power (you can pretty much get through the game just fine with a +5 r8 wep).

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

is ence's scar still around (=in packs and not that rare)?
i would pick it over nirvy helm and warsoul (defense wise).
or even switch warsoul+warsong to ence's scar + oht 4 belt

Elanxu - Dreamweaver

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

I lol'd. Sharding DoTs on a cleric (or any support class for that matter) is dumb. There is no such thing as an "attack cleric". There are clerics and then there are metal mages...metal mages should just go reroll to wizzie or psy because they are useless otherwise.




@OP~ Work towards something like this: http://pwcalc.com/897b75e4f2b54c89

Do not +10 wep until everything else but your rings are +10. As a cleric, your defenses and ability to survive matter the most, not your heal/attack power (you can pretty much get through the game just fine with a +5 r8 wep).

im tired of seen cynics like you on the forums. have some kind of appreciation for those who want to play the game their own way. clerics were given attack skills for a reason, and they can DD if they want. There are HA clerics out there too. Are you going to tell them to delete their account and start a BM or another HA char? Jut let them play their game the way they want. If they want to be an attack cleric, let them be a damn attack cleric. Its not for you to say.

and yes, there are reasons to roll a DoT cleric. I solo farm caster nirvy and although any shard can help me use fewer heals on myself and speed up the runs a little, only DoT actually increases my damage output, and make the runs a lot faster, proportional to how many DoTs i put in.

Tryagain - Harshlands

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Nobody's telling anyone how they have to play, they're telling you how to play to not have a fail char.

Play however you want, but if you go against the grain, your char will suck - end of discussion.

DoTs = your char will suck. But if you "want to have fun" go for it!

Dawnx_ - Harshlands

Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

im tired of seen cynics like you on the forums. have some kind of appreciation for those who want to play the game their own way. clerics were given attack skills for a reason, and they can DD if they want. There are HA clerics out there too. Are you going to tell them to delete their account and start a BM or another HA char? Jut let them play their game the way they want. If they want to be an attack cleric, let them be a damn attack cleric. Its not for you to say.

and yes, there are reasons to roll a DoT cleric. I solo farm caster nirvy and although any shard can help me use fewer heals on myself and speed up the runs a little, only DoT actually increases my damage output, and make the runs a lot faster, proportional to how many DoTs i put in.

PWCalc link please i'm curious to see your gear... Though imo DoT's won't help you much in TW or PK. And the only time I see "attack clerics" are those that are R9 in TW...

Kanmi - Sanctuary

Dawnx_ - Harshlands wrote: »

And the only time I see "attack clerics" are those that are R9 in TW...

b:laugh Same but actually one of those i saw, had a moment of lucidity and finally decide to reshard full garnet .

Eoria - Harshlands

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

is ence's scar still around (=in packs and not that rare)?
i would pick it over nirvy helm and warsoul (defense wise).
or even switch warsoul+warsong to ence's scar + oht 4 belt

Ence's is, yes. I chose the Nirvana hat in the build I posted for the five piece set bonus on Nirvana (+10 def levels) and 'cause I Cloudcharger/Matchless, though you can easily just take Nirvana cape and Ence's instead to get the same bonus.

apex1predator

Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

im tired of seen cynics like you on the forums. have some kind of appreciation for those who want to play the game their own way. clerics were given attack skills for a reason, and they can DD if they want. There are HA clerics out there too. Are you going to tell them to delete their account and start a BM or another HA char? Jut let them play their game the way they want. If they want to be an attack cleric, let them be a damn attack cleric. Its not for you to say.

and yes, there are reasons to roll a DoT cleric. I solo farm caster nirvy and although any shard can help me use fewer heals on myself and speed up the runs a little, only DoT actually increases my damage output, and make the runs a lot faster, proportional to how many DoTs i put in.

Im curious to see your gear with shards.

Elanxu - Dreamweaver

apex1predator wrote: »

Im curious to see your gear with shards.

http://pwcalc.com/1dd36d74a4e35e5d
account is glitched, and missing 10hp, so i took out a stat point for vit.

i change the channeling neck for a puzzle cube vain +10 when being boned by phys mobs.

Dawnx_ - Harshlands

Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://pwcalc.com/1dd36d74a4e35e5d
account is glitched, and missing 10hp, so i took out a stat point for vit.

i change the channeling neck for a puzzle cube vain +10 when being boned by phys mobs.

3 DoTs...
Phy Def is a little low even with Cube Neck...
Channeling stones... Eww.

Decus - Dreamweaver

I don't see an issue with -chan stones once you have endgame-ish gear. With icebournes, Elan ends up with 1408 more base avg mattk. Granted, with skills the gap widens a bit, but it's really not a huge enough difference to support the argument NOT to use savants because of less damage. If you have r9, why not up your -chan a bit? That's just my opinion, though. I was quite happy with -27 as my base -chan. (Not that you asked for my opinion, Elan.)

Elanxu - Dreamweaver

Ahh I have reasons for all the shards I emplace. Channeling stones dont help me with damage at all, but they really help me when I aoe pull in FC or something, and prevents a lot of cancels. You cant really quantify that, and tell me that I made a mistake.

As for phys defense, the HP makes up for it. I havent been killed by physical monsters yet, and I never pk. I think citrines are definitely a reasonable replacement for garnets, especially cuz they are a bit cheaper (garnets are being horded by aps people and prices rise).

Go take your "prefered gears" and go to have whatever fun you like with it. I go my way and run my caster nirvys just fine. Maybe one day I will completely remodify my stuff but as of now dont tell me its ew.

Eoria - Harshlands

Why do people buy r9 just to pve? I don't get it.

Elanxu - Dreamweaver

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Why do people buy r9 just to pve? I don't get it.

hehe its a long personal story not related to pwi. but there arent many people who do that anyways, and i dont know why they do it either.

Kanmi - Sanctuary

Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

hehe its a long personal story not related to pwi. but there arent many people who do that anyways, and i dont know why they do it either.

Not really, actually on Sanctuary, there is a bunch of R9 and even one R9 recast that never ever PK/TW and are purely PVE players . It's a waste of R9 imo...

Dawnx_ - Harshlands

Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Not really, actually on Sanctuary, there is a bunch of R9 and even one R9 recast that never ever PK/TW and are purely PVE players . It's a waste of R9 imo...

Geez...

Kanmi - Sanctuary

I know... the current R9 recast is a wizzy full +12/G16 necklace +12 and he got 2 (or 3 not too sure) others R9 toon +12... only to solo caster nirvana lolololol
People doesnt know how to waste money nowadays u.u

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver

Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

im tired of seen cynics like you on the forums. have some kind of appreciation for those who want to play the game their own way. clerics were given attack skills for a reason, and they can DD if they want. There are HA clerics out there too. Are you going to tell them to delete their account and start a BM or another HA char? Jut let them play their game the way they want. If they want to be an attack cleric, let them be a damn attack cleric. Its not for you to say.

and yes, there are reasons to roll a DoT cleric. I solo farm caster nirvy and although any shard can help me use fewer heals on myself and speed up the runs a little, only DoT actually increases my damage output, and make the runs a lot faster, proportional to how many DoTs i put in.

I for one are one of these 'alternative built' clerics. I have been a HA cleric from level one and never had problems healing or keeping people alive and in my 80's was out surving level 100 clerics in some higher TTs. I wanted to have fun in the game and achieve something that was deemed 'fail' or not possible.

Current gear http://pwcalc.com/f62891a605be05a1

I pk a lot and while the build is not the most efficient it does allow me to stay alive when 90% of people playing seem to be sins...

I do also have a BM that I farm with and share the gear across so its not 'wasted' as most people would put it.

Elanxu - Dreamweaver

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I for one are one of these 'alternative built' clerics. I have been a HA cleric from level one and never had problems healing or keeping people alive and in my 80's was out surving level 100 clerics in some higher TTs. I wanted to have fun in the game and achieve something that was deemed 'fail' or not possible.

Current gear http://pwcalc.com/f62891a605be05a1

I pk a lot and while the build is not the most efficient it does allow me to stay alive when 90% of people playing seem to be sins...

I do also have a BM that I farm with and share the gear across so its not 'wasted' as most people would put it.

you are exactly what I think of when I try to think of someone who plays outside their boundaries and are still really successful. everyone else thinks clerics have to have a set standard way of playing to be successful, but being HA or something doesnt make you suck. it just means you wont be playing the role of the cleric. sure, and HA cleric is not very good at healing, but will survive a lot better in pk these days than a typical cleric, and no one has proved Smashnheal wrong as far as the usefulness of being an HA cleric.

i hope some people can open themselves up to accepting the parts of the game where people go explore and, more often than people expect, discover something suprisingly useful.

Dawnx_ - Harshlands

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I for one are one of these 'alternative built' clerics. I have been a HA cleric from level one and never had problems healing or keeping people alive and in my 80's was out surving level 100 clerics in some higher TTs. I wanted to have fun in the game and achieve something that was deemed 'fail' or not possible.

Current gear http://pwcalc.com/f62891a605be05a1

I pk a lot and while the build is not the most efficient it does allow me to stay alive when 90% of people playing seem to be sins...

I do also have a BM that I farm with and share the gear across so its not 'wasted' as most people would put it.

Holy **** lol intresting build...

Kanmi - Sanctuary

Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

HA cleric is not very good at healing, but will survive a lot better in pk these days than a typical cleric, and no one has proved Smashnheal wrong as far as the usefulness of being an HA cleric.

Guess i will do it then... HA Cleric losing and sacrificing healing/attack power but also magic defense . HA Cleric probably boost up your p.def but you become weak to any magic attack .
Since you never pk, i'll give you some hint : cleric can relay on vanguard siprit/BM bell/plume shell to increase there own p.def no matter what built you chose in first place . There is one and only one relayable buff to increase your magic defense as cleric and it's magic shell . We don't have marrow like BM, nor that we can use genie skills (solid shield) like barb .
Maybe in 1v1 agains HA/LA class you get some advantages from it (until they discover your build) , but in massive group pk i highly doubt HA Cleric can face any R9 wizzy/psy .

Eoria - Harshlands

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Current gear http://pwcalc.com/f62891a605be05a1

You should 2nd recast your wrists and get 2nd recast TT Nirvana boots instead for the 5 piece set bonus. I'd also switch out the Lunar phys ring for either a Lunar mag ring, Cloud Stir, or a CoA ring so you can get more mdef.



@Elanxu ~ There's a difference between unconventional builds like SMASHnHEAL's and the downright stupidity that is sharding DoTs on a cleric.

Kanmi - Sanctuary

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

You should 2nd recast your wrists and get 2nd recast TT Nirvana boots instead for the 5 piece set bonus.

Since they are sharing gearing with BM, i think that's why they still have TT99 wirstguard . Probably getting interval bonus on BM . Just my thought tho...

Eoria - Harshlands

Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Since they are sharing gearing with BM, i think that's why they still have TT99 wirstguard . Probably getting interval bonus on BM . Just my thought tho...

True. It'd be a nice future project though if they wanted to. xD

Kanmi - Sanctuary

b:chuckle The build is pretty nice tho but yes 51 defense level would be so tasty b:dirty