R9 Mystics?

ArenaSkies - Sanctuary

Any R9 mystic out there feel free to share what it's like? How it is versing other classes?

When my mystic was 85, I was dueling people for fun, and they were around lvl 100. I was defeating the majority of them. So how is R9 mystics in TW/pvp?

I feel like we're the most misunderstood class. Whenever I enter squads, most think I'm just another support class when I can dd quite well. I looked around r9 forums on which is the best class (most picked Psychic) and nobody hardly ever mentions a mystic.

PironTheFire - Lost City

r9 mystics are a myth

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7lIrU0F1OA

Kaiyal - Sanctuary

well,if you match the stats up the rank gear for a mystic isnt the best,vana would be the best,that or the new morai armor. in fact the new morai gear has become my new endgame for its better mob defences and the 60 slaying lvls on the 101 wep.

so it depends on your preference. personally if you want elemental defence specifically i would go for vana. but if you want overall defence i would go with the morai armor since it has demonwarding lvls it multiplies your physical defence along with your mag defences.

so in all pvp-vana is best
pve- morai armor

Retsuko - Heavens Tear

Kaiyal - Sanctuary wrote: »

well,if you match the stats up the rank gear for a mystic isnt the best,vana would be the best,that or the new morai armor. in fact the new morai gear has become my new endgame for its better mob defences and the 60 slaying lvls on the 101 wep.

so it depends on your preference. personally if you want elemental defence specifically i would go for vana. but if you want overall defence i would go with the morai armor since it has demonwarding lvls it multiplies your physical defence along with your mag defences.

so in all pvp-vana is best
pve- morai armor

So you're saying that nirvana is better than rank 9? b:shutup

Zanryu - Lothranis

Retsuko - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So you're saying that nirvana is better than rank 9? b:shutup

That seems to be the general idea of his post, yes.

Brb dropping all plans of R9 and going full Nirvana

Eoria - Harshlands

Mystic is just one of those classes that you don't really need r9 on to do well with end-game. b:surrender

Brillance - Raging Tide

Seriously? Morai is better than Rank Gear in PvE?

Im planning on going R8 Recast as far as the next years gearing projects go. The Morai Gear I have gotten so far seems good. Im saving mine to play around with at some point, but I find it hard to believe its better than Rank Gear - doesnt seem better than what Im using now tbh. And, Im not going to pretend I understand what the new bonus to it really does.

Anymore depth on that? and also, is there a Calc thingy to refer someone to for the Mystic Nirvy Gear?

Thanks.b:thanks


P.S. Are we talking an Arcane Mystic or a Light Armor Mystic for the Morai gear?

Burnout - Harshlands

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn1bpEj-Kcs

Cleric has full R9 +10/12 JoSD and +12 wep, while I had full R9 +10 JoSD +10 wep. All I did was spam a single spell, basically. Didn't even have to try or use actual skills.

Conclusion? R9 mystics are clearly better than clerics .

Sorry clerics.

Mekkhala - Lost City

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Mystic is just one of those classes that you don't really need r9 on to do well with end-game. b:surrender

SO TRUE. My mystic is full 2nd cast lunar, no rank at all...and in casterNV the storm mistress already is dealing damage on par with a friend's r9 +12 wizz. In pve you do NOT have to be r9 to put out good damage.

For pvp, I think part of the reason mystics get away with lesser gear is that there are so few of them that seriously play (on my server at least). Even fewer are serious pvp'ers that choose to pvp on mystic vrs their sin or w/e. I can only think of 2 mystics that are known for pvping on my server. I think as players get more practice the standard of gear will start to rise.

Burnout - Harshlands

Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »

SO TRUE. My mystic is full 2nd cast lunar, no rank at all...and in casterNV the storm mistress already is dealing damage on par with a friend's r9 +12 wizz. In pve you do NOT have to be r9 to put out good damage.

For pvp, I think part of the reason mystics get away with lesser gear is that there are so few of them that seriously play (on my server at least). Even fewer are serious pvp'ers that choose to pvp on mystic vrs their sin or w/e. I can only think of 2 mystics that are known for pvping on my server. I think as players get more practice the standard of gear will start to rise.

The mystic pet is pretty OP in caster nirv. My R9 frenzied storm mistress hits the last boss in caster nirv consistently for 50k per nuke through the entire fight. The reason is because the buff he gives applies to the pet as well, and its multiplied by 6 times and ignores level-based damage reduction.

It only works if you can keep the pet alive however, since if you re-summon it goes back to hitting for 10-12k. And most mystics don't realize that keeping the mistress alive and w/ the buff is more important than nuking the boss with your own spells in terms of dps.

Still, mystics can compete decently with nirvana dags in terms of boss DPS, and is one of the reasons I chose mystic as my main (it's a pvp-oriented caster who does well vs sins, and has an easy time farming as well).

Eoria - Harshlands

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn1bpEj-Kcs

Cleric has full R9 +10/12 JoSD and +12 wep, while I had full R9 +10 JoSD +10 wep. All I did was spam a single spell, basically. Didn't even have to try or use actual skills.

Conclusion? R9 mystics are clearly better than clerics .

Sorry clerics.

PKing 1v1 with a cleric is basically a crapshoot as you have to rely on the same combo every single time and there's no anti-stun without using pots or genie so GG if your combo doesn't work and you get stun-locked with everything on cooldown. 1v1ing a mystic would also be harder due to all the seals that make up a mystic's stun-lock. And...Cucu is a terrible cleric. All that really needs to be said.

r9 on a mystic is probably a better idea than r9 on a cleric though since a mystic can actually take advantage of the set bonus better unless you're a useless metal mage. I'd still rather r9 a wizzie/archer/psy/barb over a mystic or cleric, however.

Burnout - Harshlands

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

PKing 1v1 with a cleric is basically a crapshoot as you have to rely on the same combo every single time and there's no anti-stun without using pots or genie so GG if your combo doesn't work and you get stun-locked with everything on cooldown. 1v1ing a mystic would also be harder due to all the seals that make up a mystic's stun-lock. And...Cucu is a terrible cleric. All that really needs to be said.

r9 on a mystic is probably a better idea than r9 on a cleric though since a mystic can actually take advantage of the set bonus better unless you're a useless metal mage. I'd still rather r9 a wizzie/archer/psy/barb over a mystic or cleric, however.

CUCU's a decent metal mage, but since you seem to look down on people who choose to play like this I can see why you'd think he's bad. In any case, if you don't have a plan to stop CUCU's sleep + Seal of God + heal spam the fight can drag on for awhile wasting charms.

Wizzies do not pk well, at all. With the exception of psy, the mystic stacks up well with every other classes in pk (but then again R9 psys are undoubetdly the strongest class atm). In that respect R9 mystics are a lot better than clerics, who get rolled by just about every other class 1v1 @ endgame. Equal gears, ofc.

Hybrid chars like the mystic (and druid in WoW...captain in LoTRO...etc) have always been looked down upon by those who prefer the "holy trinity", but the versatility they offer is often overlooked. The mystic does well in solo PVP, is a superior healer group PVP, does well in TW, and is king in caster-based PVE. That basically covers well....everything.

Mechsiao - Sanctuary

If you wanna be spam healer/absorb soul user, go channel build. either hybrid tt99/r8/recast r8 or nirvy wpn for -10 chnl

if you wanna be spam nature's vengeancer, go r9.

full nirvana is kinda hybrid between both but it works too, cuz u get better hp from refines, and moderately acceptable chnl on absorb soul.

the pve gear, i don't know. aint mystics meant for pvp? b:laugh a cleric is a better healer in pve ijs.

Vixter - Harshlands

rank 9 is nice and all, but for the amount that it costs i dont think mystic is the best choice of class to get it on. since im a cheap-o im sticking with my tt99/rank 8 gear, only +5-6, but i have 7k hp with it and a hella bigger dmg range and attack dmg output than im used to doing on my veno, so im very happy with that.

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

It only works if you can keep the pet alive however, since if you re-summon it goes back to hitting for 10-12k. And most mystics don't realize that keeping the mistress alive and w/ the buff is more important than nuking the boss with your own spells in terms of dps.

true true, only downside is that, people who arent mystics, or dont know about mystics, will probably think your some noob leacher if you spam heal your pet most of the time xD ive never heard any complaints though, except from 1 wiz that kept telling all the mystics in our squad (im pretty sure we had 3 in our squad that run) that kept yelling at them when theyre mistress's got 1 hitted by the bosses lol. had to set him straight and explain that defenses and hp of pets arent like a players >_>

Blossorn - Lost City

Kaiyal - Sanctuary wrote: »

well,if you match the stats up the rank gear for a mystic isnt the best,vana would be the best,that or the new morai armor. in fact the new morai gear has become my new endgame for its better mob defences and the 60 slaying lvls on the 101 wep.

so it depends on your preference. personally if you want elemental defence specifically i would go for vana. but if you want overall defence i would go with the morai armor since it has demonwarding lvls it multiplies your physical defence along with your mag defences.

so in all pvp-vana is best
pve- morai armor

Well this is far, THE MOST FAIL POST I've ever seen I'm pwi forums, NV BETTER than R9?, yes of course in your mind!.... Morai gear??? Wtf? So your re plainning to go from instance to instance? No pvp at all? Cause I'll tell you Morai gears for pvp really really suck. It's attack and defense levels are just for pve. And well talking about NV gear again, I won't say it sucks just for only 1 reason GHATS THE BEST GEAR IF YOU WON'T GO FOR R9. but even with that being said, it stands too short againts R9 attack and def lvs.


Well about changeling of course I live changeling but meh, R9 only gives -3% changeling and it's on pants, if you couple that with ws hat and lunar cape thats only a -15% chan wich it's b:cry, but well you can't have everything.


Burnout, are you using full R9 + cape and hat NV 2nd cast? And it's worth to put 2 -3% changeling stones, since with that build would have just a QQing -3% changeling....?

Xainou - Sanctuary

Kaiyal - Sanctuary wrote: »

in fact the new morai gear has become my new endgame for its better mob defences and the 60 slaying lvls on the 101 wep.

Every time I see some kind of healer class saying they will get morai gear for the slaying levels, I die a little on the inside.
Way to gimp your heals big time.

LividLemur - Dreamweaver

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

The mystic pet is pretty OP in caster nirv. My R9 frenzied storm mistress hits the last boss in caster nirv consistently for 50k per nuke through the entire fight. The reason is because the buff he gives applies to the pet as well, and its multiplied by 6 times and ignores level-based damage reduction.

It only works if you can keep the pet alive however, since if you re-summon it goes back to hitting for 10-12k. And most mystics don't realize that keeping the mistress alive and w/ the buff is more important than nuking the boss with your own spells in terms of dps.

Interesting. Guess i hadn't seen mistress hitting 50K on the last boss, or noticed even.. Though sometimes the boss seems to drop from 300K HP to zero when soloing, mebbe that's why heh. But 50K seems pretty extreme..?

Is frenzy really necessary though? I have 100 attack levels, so not sure if the 100% reduction to defense/resistance is worth the risk for the extra 10 levels of attack on mistress (half of the 20 given from Frenzy lvl 10). Do the resistance reductions apply on mistress as well as the attack level bonus? If so, would def make it even harder to keep her alive tanking the whole last boss, at least when soloing

Burnout - Harshlands

LividLemur - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Interesting. Guess i hadn't seen mistress hitting 50K on the last boss, or noticed even.. Though sometimes the boss seems to drop from 300K HP to zero when soloing, mebbe that's why heh. But 50K seems pretty extreme..?

Is frenzy really necessary though? I have 100 attack levels, so not sure if the 100% reduction to defense/resistance is worth the risk for the extra 10 levels of attack on mistress (half of the 20 given from Frenzy lvl 10). Do the resistance reductions apply on mistress as well as the attack level bonus? If so, would def make it even harder to keep her alive tanking the whole last boss, at least when soloing

You gotta keep in mind I have R9 +10, so my storm mistress summons with 46 attk lvls, plus 10 from frenzy for 56 total. A r8 mistress would still be able to hit very high numbers, however.

The phy/def reductions do NOT transfer to the mistress. You summon under frenzy, and the mistress hits 10% harder as long as it's alive. That's it. There's no downside to it besides you suffering from less phy/mag def for a few seconds.

Vixter - Harshlands

LividLemur - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Is frenzy really necessary though? I have 100 attack levels, so not sure if the 100% reduction to defense/resistance is worth the risk for the extra 10 levels of attack on mistress (half of the 20 given from Frenzy lvl 10). Do the resistance reductions apply on mistress as well as the attack level bonus? If so, would def make it even harder to keep her alive tanking the whole last boss, at least when soloing

when using frenzy, it increases your attack level, and reduces your defense amount by a % (not your defense level). however, it doesnt effect your summons defense. if it instead decreased defense level then it probably would effect the pet. but since attack levels effect pets, having more at the time of summon makes your pet deal more damage.

Blossorn - Lost City

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

You gotta keep in mind I have R9 +10, so my storm mistress summons with 46 attk lvls, plus 10 from frenzy for 56 total. A r8 mistress would still be able to hit very high numbers, however.

The phy/def reductions do NOT transfer to the mistress. You summon under frenzy, and the mistress hits 10% harder as long as it's alive. That's it. There's no downside to it besides you suffering from less phy/mag def for a few seconds.

hey burnout im waiting for ur response


Burnout, are you using full R9 + cape and hat NV 2nd cast? And it's worth to put 2 -3% changeling stones, since with that build would have just a QQing -3% changeling....?b:chuckle

Burnout - Harshlands

Blossorn - Lost City wrote: »

hey burnout im waiting for ur response


Burnout, are you using full R9 + cape and hat NV 2nd cast? And it's worth to put 2 -3% changeling stones, since with that build would have just a QQing -3% changeling....?b:chuckle

I'm using matchless wings w/ OHT/event helm. My mystic is built more towards defense rather than a nuker, so the DPS is lower than a pure mag mystic using magic attk rings.

In terms of channeling, the only use they would give is if it lets you get 5 spells off before a charm tick, or 6 spells off without a charm tick. 10%-35% channel really doesn't affect pvp imo, since that range only lets you get in 5 nukes before a charm ticks. So ~15% i think is the sweet spot, unless you're a pve ***** who only really cares about putting out as much damage as possible.

Also, lag screws with the channel times, and often makes it so channel is wasted, imo. So your results may differ based on how much ping you have.

The R9 has so little channeling though that I don't think there's any point to putting in channel stones, since the 2 rings should be enough to get 5 spells in.

Getting say, 45% or more channel lets you reliably get in 6 spells before the charm ticks, but you have to sacrifice waaay too much so it's just not worth it, imo.

ofc our rapid growth helps with this, but only if you manage to cast it *before* the charm tick in pvp.

LividLemur - Dreamweaver

Vixter - Harshlands wrote: »

when using frenzy, it increases your attack level, and reduces your defense amount by a % (not your defense level). however, it doesnt effect your summons defense. if it instead decreased defense level then it probably would effect the pet. but since attack levels effect pets, having more at the time of summon makes your pet deal more damage.

wow! I didn't know that the attack level bonus wouldn't wear out on mistress, as long as she stays alive. That does make frenzy sound interesting

Blossorn - Lost City

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm using matchless wings w/ OHT/event helm. My mystic is built more towards defense rather than a nuker, so the DPS is lower than a pure mag mystic using magic attk rings.

In terms of channeling, the only use they would give is if it lets you get 5 spells off before a charm tick, or 6 spells off without a charm tick. 10%-35% channel really doesn't affect pvp imo, since that range only lets you get in 5 nukes before a charm ticks. So ~15% i think is the sweet spot, unless you're a pve ***** who only really cares about putting out as much damage as possible.

Also, lag screws with the channel times, and often makes it so channel is wasted, imo. So your results may differ based on how much ping you have.

The R9 has so little channeling though that I don't think there's any point to putting in channel stones, since the 2 rings should be enough to get 5 spells in.

Getting say, 45% or more channel lets you reliably get in 6 spells before the charm ticks, but you have to sacrifice waaay too much so it's just not worth it, imo.

ofc our rapid growth helps with this, but only if you manage to cast it *before* the charm tick in pvp.

Omg ty, nice way to domain it. Having that said, pwicalk it's not available so I can't post the gear I'm going for, I'm thinking on full R9, R8 ring, nv second cast hat and cape. Full +10, (right now I've 3 pieces of R9, and the unks for the 2 pieces of nv 2nd cast,, but I'm going to sell them for getting more tokens -.-...

So I'm that build u think it's better to use the ws hat + matchless wings? I always say & far ai can resist a stun with the charm and petals I'm able to lol my target for sure. I'm full sage right now, but ill go demon. Wich in some way sucks cause ill lose a +5% wood attack
For a +2% crit, but I like the skill effect on demons, I'm music imo.

being that said I like nv 2nd cast cause as I'm getting crit on mastery il get more on them too

Retsuko - Heavens Tear

I guess it's impossible to think that a reason for going rank 9 on mystic is because you can like the class so much compared to other classes?

LividLemur - Dreamweaver

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

The mystic pet is pretty OP in caster nirv. My R9 frenzied storm mistress hits the last boss in caster nirv consistently for 50k per nuke through the entire fight. The reason is because the buff he gives applies to the pet as well, and its multiplied by 6 times and ignores level-based damage reduction.

hmm im not seeing this for some reason. Just did 2 casters, 1 with storm out the whole time (no deaths on her). I didnt see anything more than the typical 11/12k

Are you talking about a buff he gives where you get some sparks, iincreased crit damage, etc? If so, shouldn't that have applied instantly. And doesn't the boss repeat this buff 2-3 times during the fight or at certain HP trigger points?

What am i missing, lol. I want my 50K per storm hit. and btw what exactly gets multiplied by six times? Mag dmg?

Vixter - Harshlands

LividLemur - Dreamweaver wrote: »

hmm im not seeing this for some reason. Just did 2 casters, 1 with storm out the whole time (no deaths on her). I didnt see anything more than the typical 11/12k

Are you talking about a buff he gives where you get some sparks, iincreased crit damage, etc? If so, shouldn't that have applied instantly. And doesn't the boss repeat this buff 2-3 times during the fight or at certain HP trigger points?

What am i missing, lol. I want my 50K per storm hit. and btw what exactly gets multiplied by six times? Mag dmg?

it does apply to the pet, she should be attacking significantly more than usual (compared to the other bosses).

yea it happens when you get the sparks. and you can click on your storm mistress and you will see the buffs on her. if she dies, he gives the buff several times during the battle so its not too much of a big deal.