What is better?

ICasTBiDS - Raging Tide
ICasTBiDS - Raging Tide Posts: 203 Arc User
edited February 2012 in Assassin
Currently deciding some things for my sin right now.
What would be better.
4 APS w/ r8 Daggers +7 perf garnets
Or.
3.33 APS w/ t2 daggers +6 w/ S.S on the daggers.
Post edited by ICasTBiDS - Raging Tide on

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  • Dinya - Sanctuary
    Dinya - Sanctuary Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    What u mean by t2 daggerz
  • Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver Posts: 441 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    think she mean second cast/g15 with that, but how the hell does a r8 would have more aps then the other lvl 100+ dagger. unless you are talking about r8 with tome and g15(?) no tome b:surrender

    p.s confused over here
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  • ICasTBiDS - Raging Tide
    ICasTBiDS - Raging Tide Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    t2 lunar nirvana daggers.
    Let me clarify . I have money for the following
    Pangu Tome
    OR
    250 Raptures
    Not both.

    I can achieve 4 aps with r8 if I get tome.
    or I can get t2 lunar nirvana daggers w/o Tome but have Sacrifical Strike.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    t2= tier 2 or recast G15 Nirvana. I think the damage would be roughly the same. SS gives a 15% bump, 3.33 vs 4.0 would be a 20% difference. +6 G15s vs +7 R8 would also be roughly similar and R8 would have a 4% crit boost. Not much of a difference really.



    As for what to pick, simply put, G15s are a cash sink so you should get your Pan Gu first then start sinking money into daggers that may take 100 rolls (~12 mil per reroll) to get what you want.

    A few other things to consider:
    -3.33 isn't really a permaspark. Yes you can stay permasparked for 3 rotations, but thats using RDS which takes 2 seconds to cast. 2 seconds of not DDing can really decrease your survivability and damage output.
    -Sac Strike is rough. Get it when you are prepared to +10 your weapon, otherwise your paint won't heal you enough when you zerk. Also, having SS and only 3.33 would cause alot of deaths.
    -I have G15 +10 with SS but haven't landed -int so I am only 4.0. Sometimes I'll get squads "pm aps and weapon" that won't accept me because I'm only 4.0, lol. People are finally catching on that the best daggers in the game are usually 4.0 (R9, R8, G15) but less people would accept a 3.33 sin.
    -2.5 unsparked...
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  • sachelfunlol
    sachelfunlol Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    t2 lunar nirvana daggers.
    Let me clarify . I have money for the following
    Pangu Tome
    OR
    250 Raptures
    Not both.

    I can achieve 4 aps with r8 if I get tome.
    or I can get t2 lunar nirvana daggers w/o Tome but have Sacrifical Strike.

    I say first step is to rethink the reason you want Nirvana vs R8, is it more damage or more survivability. The second, thinking you will are expectingto get one specific add (SS) on the first cast is not a realistict goal. That basis itself I would say do neither. Wait a few weeks for the prices to stabalize, sell them, reinvest the coins for more profit. Keep at it till you have a comfy cushion to be able to buy a pangu and still have coins for more merchanting
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  • OontzOontz - Dreamweaver
    OontzOontz - Dreamweaver Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Go with the tome. You're gonna have to get it eventually. Besides, you can just recast r8 later on.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • ICasTBiDS - Raging Tide
    ICasTBiDS - Raging Tide Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    think she mean second cast/g15 with that, but how the hell does a r8 would have more aps then the other lvl 100+ dagger. unless you are talking about r8 with tome and g15(?) no tome b:surrender

    p.s confused over here

    46.5%. there is a good chance. and a few rolls for s.s i dont mind.
    Thanks for the input everyone.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    t2= tier 2 or recast G15 Nirvana. I think the damage would be roughly the same. SS gives a 15% bump, 3.33 vs 4.0 would be a 20% difference. +6 G15s vs +7 R8 would also be roughly similar and R8 would have a 4% crit boost. Not much of a difference really.

    Actually, counting the aps nerf, 3.33 to 4.0 is a 14% increase. So the two are truly pretty much equal.
    As for what to pick, simply put, G15s are a cash sink so you should get your Pan Gu first then start sinking money into daggers that may take 100 rolls (~12 mil per reroll) to get what you want.

    This is very true. I'm getting Pan Gu, Creator before refining my G13 to +10 exactly because Pan Gu, Creator doesn't lose value unless you bind it.

    And since R8 here had more APS, the OP is probably only wanting to get the G15, with no plans for the mods other than SS or so.
    A few other things to consider:
    -3.33 isn't really a permaspark. Yes you can stay permasparked for 3 rotations, but thats using RDS which takes 2 seconds to cast. 2 seconds of not DDing can really decrease your survivability and damage output.

    Um... 3.33 is far more than enough for permasparking for most purposes. You get 3 sparks just from starting at maxed chi. Add IH, which changes nothing, and you can pretty much double that. I cannot think of too many situations where you'd need more than that.
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  • FanFon - Dreamweaver
    FanFon - Dreamweaver Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I would go for the 4 aps r8. Getting g15+6 with only 3.33 will limit you're nirvy options.


    Lets see on Dreamweaver pangu is 250mil-270mil I believe.
    Raptures are 1.65-1.7 with 2x

    You plan on buying 250 raps if you go G15. That is about 410 mil at least; on the other hand, you can spend the same amount getting 4 aps and a +9-10 r8.

    I would go with the r8 just because of chi and you will want the pangu tome eventually anyways.
  • ICasTBiDS - Raging Tide
    ICasTBiDS - Raging Tide Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I would go for the 4 aps r8. Getting g15+6 with only 3.33 will limit you're nirvy options.


    Lets see on Dreamweaver pangu is 250mil-270mil I believe.
    Raptures are 1.65-1.7 with 2x

    You plan on buying 250 raps if you go G15. That is about 410 mil at least; on the other hand, you can spend the same amount getting 4 aps and a +9-10 r8.

    I would go with the r8 just because of chi and you will want the pangu tome eventually anyways.

    wow youre raps are expensive!
    Raps on RT is 1.1m Lol.
  • sachelfunlol
    sachelfunlol Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    wow youre raps are expensive!
    Raps on RT is 1.1m Lol.

    The price here on RT even more than that on their server right now before the month long 2x. The terrorist merchants we have in trolling tides is byond repair it seems.
    Lets troll the forums together b:victory
  • FanFon - Dreamweaver
    FanFon - Dreamweaver Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    wow youre raps are expensive!
    Raps on RT is 1.1m Lol.

    More money for me when I farm nirvy. b:laugh Right now prices are 1.3-4 range <_<
  • Ikarium - Dreamweaver
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    -I have G15 +10 with SS but haven't landed -int so I am only 4.0. Sometimes I'll get squads "pm aps and weapon" that won't accept me because I'm only 4.0, lol. People are finally catching on that the best daggers in the game are usually 4.0 (R9, R8, G15)
    b:surrender
    Ugh.....this is so sad, but true. I have +10 g15 w/SS, dex+18, HP +350 at 4aps and have been rejected as well. Some squads rather a +4 Barrier thorn just because of the magical '5aps'.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    b:surrender
    Ugh.....this is so sad, but true. I have +10 g15 w/SS, dex+18, HP +350 at 4aps and have been rejected as well. Some squads rather a +4 Barrier thorn just because of the magical '5aps'.

    Friend of mine is 2.86 +12 R9, he's been rejected from squads before he revealed himself to be R9. Much hilarity has been gotten from that.

    Similarly, I've been "silently" rejected from various WC BH squads for sin or DD positions, even though I'm a fairly respectable +6 3.33 Sage. Especially funny when said positions would be for Seat or Abaddon, which I could solo.

    Personally I haven't really met with much prejudice from being Sage. I have met tons of idiotic Demon sins though.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I have met tons of idiotic Demon sins though.

    Don't hate on all of us. We're not all stoopid sins b:surrender
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  • Deadalus - Harshlands
    Deadalus - Harshlands Posts: 546 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Go with tome.

    When you plan to get g15 daggers, you want the tome anyway, just because you can get 4/5 aps.

    You can get 4 aps, when you just want SS/gof on your weapon but you can get 5, when you aim for int and SS/gof and that is even better.

    i really would buy the tome and stick with r8 daggers till you have enought money to buy raptures for G15.

    and ofc you get alot of rejects when you are 3.33 aps sparked, even with g15 +10.