I love PK in SP.

CritCat - Archosaur · February 2012

As a beginning note: I don't really kill lowbies, not my style and I'm not one for PK count, or numbers on a scoreboard which mean jack ****.

Anyways, I love going there on my bluenamed wizard, and having loads of fun squadding with my friends and watching them kill others, and sometimes killing a few 8x players myself around the area. Killing lowbies isn't fun and it inspires hate, which I tend to attempt to avoid.

8x wiz is fun to PK as is. I also like getting on my assassin and killing the other 10x levels around the area.

I like having an instance that forces people to PK, but still have safety of dropping items, then again there's going to be total A******* because they can be, but hey, being nice and squadding with a high sin to escort is easy, and stoning in is easier. I understand there's maybe 3 quests I think that require people going inside, and more often than not in this server people won't chase beyond the 1st room unless they're farming you.

Shade? Get some friends, or ask a high level to help, we're more than willing.
Need SilverFrost? Get a squad.
Getting farmed? Go play a different game, or call up some buddies.
Need BH/FB29? Stone in.

I wish that PW could keep the instance permanently in PK mode, as the only 2 places on archosaur that call for PK is
West Gate: 105 R9+10~12 much?
or
South Lost City Gate: I often see lowbies PKing here more often than not.

The last place I see PK most often is in SP, as everyone can PK there and have fun as they wish, with no fear of dropping items whatsoever.

I don't really see how people have so many problems with this, as I never do.

Just thought I'd say.b:thanks

laloner · February 2012

I see your point but I still think cave of sadistic glee would have been better.

CritCat - Archosaur · February 2012

laloner wrote: »

I see your point but I still think cave of sadistic glee would have been better.

The respawn point would be far away though...b:cry

Sympathi - Archosaur · February 2012

CritCat - Archosaur wrote: »

The respawn point would be far away though...b:cry

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1300401

Fixes that!

Anyway only thing i have to say on this issue is the stupid reasons GM's have to allow then deny it.

Did anyone else notice the rule was 'No killing people in SP as you need to enter it to do your cultivation' (despite the fact there is no cultivation in SP (OHT Chain quest isn't mandatory)) then the rule was changed once it was pk enabled last time to 'pk anyone there's no reason to enter SP and FB29 can be ported into' and THEN once it was removed because of lowbes complaining they went back to 'There's cultivation in there, no killing people'

A nice solid actual rule would help but other then that, i don't pk in SP unless im called out.

sachelfunlol · February 2012

What I found odd was PWI saying PK was enabled for 1-29, but 30+ can pk too, or am I reading that wrong?

sachelfunlol · February 2012

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

Did anyone else notice the rule was 'No killing people in SP as you need to enter it to do your cultivation' (despite the fact there is no cultivation in SP (OHT Chain quest isn't mandatory)) then the rule was changed once it was pk enabled last time to 'pk anyone there's no reason to enter SP and FB29 can be ported into' and THEN once it was removed because of lowbes complaining they went back to 'There's cultivation in there, no killing people'

OHT Chain is mandatory for you to finish your 100 cult which requires all 4 maps to be opened.

FatalFem - Heavens Tear · February 2012

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1300401

Fixes that!

Anyway only thing i have to say on this issue is the stupid reasons GM's have to allow then deny it.

Did anyone else notice the rule was 'No killing people in SP as you need to enter it to do your cultivation' (despite the fact there is no cultivation in SP (OHT Chain quest isn't mandatory)) then the rule was changed once it was pk enabled last time to 'pk anyone there's no reason to enter SP and FB29 can be ported into' and THEN once it was removed because of lowbes complaining they went back to 'There's cultivation in there, no killing people'

A nice solid actual rule would help but other then that, i don't pk in SP unless im called out.

You are wrong, there is a culti in there you must do to get your last fairy. It is in the chain. But I"m not going to argue with you. The bottom line is that if people would leave others alone who are low lvl and only pk those who are there to pk then for all any of us care they can leave it there and open.

However; it takes so much skill, tact and class to 1 shot a lvl 29 attempting to quest in there that apparently some people believe they need to do it all the time. Which is why it will eventually be removed/modified again. It is fun, I enjoyed it the last time just chilling out and killing etc. But it was sad the number of lvl 28/29/30 chars that came in there and couldn't get past the door despite asking multiple times.

Sympathi - Archosaur · February 2012

sachelfunlol wrote: »

OHT Chain is mandatory for you to finish your 100 cult which requires all 4 maps to be opened.

No your storyline is mandatory, its a quest you cant trash or get rid off. OHT Chain is for 100 culti at the very end yes but its an optional pickup so its the players choice to do it or not.

FatalFem - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You are wrong, there is a culti in there you must do to get your last fairy. It is in the chain. But I"m not going to argue with you. The bottom line is that if people would leave others alone who are low lvl and only pk those who are there to pk then for all any of us care they can leave it there and open.

Mandatory is the key word here, preventing someone from doing something they HAVE to do would be breaking the rules, preventing someone from doing something they chose to pick up wouldn't be.

sachelfunlol · February 2012

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

No your storyline is mandatory, its a quest you cant trash or get rid off. OHT Chain is for 100 culti at the very end yes but its an optional pickup so its the players choice to do it or not.

Mandatory is the key word here, preventing someone from doing something they HAVE to do would be breaking the rules, preventing someone from doing something they chose to pick up wouldn't be.

Yes you are right, your 100 Cult is not mandatory to complete. But to complete your 100 Cult it is mandatory that you complete the OHT quest chain and is not an optional pickup. There are mobs that have to be killed that is part of your cultivation and not the OHT chain.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver · February 2012

CritCat - Archosaur wrote: »

As a beginning note: I don't really kill lowbies, not my style and I'm not one for PK count, or numbers on a scoreboard which mean jack ****.

Problem is that many do...

Anyways, I love going there on my bluenamed wizard, and having loads of fun squadding with my friends and watching them kill others, and sometimes killing a few 8x players myself around the area. Killing lowbies isn't fun and it inspires hate, which I tend to attempt to avoid.

8x wiz is fun to PK as is. I also like getting on my assassin and killing the other 10x levels around the area.

I like having an instance that forces people to PK, but still have safety of dropping items, then again there's going to be total A******* because they can be, but hey, being nice and squadding with a high sin to escort is easy, and stoning in is easier. I understand there's maybe 3 quests I think that require people going inside, and more often than not in this server people won't chase beyond the 1st room unless they're farming you.

Shade? Get some friends, or ask a high level to help, we're more than willing.

Level 100 cleric that got 1 shot arma'd helping low levels with one of the shades. Also got apsed to death for my existence the last time this went on.

Some players do farm lowbies, and high levels without EPIC gears, so this plan is not fullproof.

Need SilverFrost? Get a squad.

I was helping a friend with SilverFrost the last time SP was PK enabled. They kept killing one of my squadmates anytime that he came in. He was a level 90's sin at the time.

Getting farmed? Go play a different game, or call up some buddies.

.... >_>

What is this? I can't even...

Need BH/FB29? Stone in.

Guess what? Want to know a fun fact about Secret Passage? Often the people that are running bh/fb 29 do not have a lot of coin. The same thing for people doing the token quest. Some don't even know how or where to stone.

Here's another fun fact... Often, the lowbies that stone in...stone only to find themselves dead, and killed by the mobs at the entrance. What was that about stoning again?

I wish that PW could keep the instance permanently in PK mode, as the only 2 places on archosaur that call for PK is
West Gate: 105 R9+10~12 much?
or
South Lost City Gate: I often see lowbies PKing here more often than not.

The last place I see PK most often is in SP, as everyone can PK there and have fun as they wish, with no fear of dropping items whatsoever.

I don't really see how people have so many problems with this, as I never do.

Just thought I'd say.b:thanks

I'm not against a pk enabled area with no consequences. I even like the idea, but SP IS ONE OF THE WORST PLACES FOR IT.

There is even cult parts there. (Silver Frost), so level 70's + may actually be there to kill Frost. Its tough enough without someone pk'ing their tank or cleric as they fight. I've even seen lowbies BEG not to be pk'ed as R9, R8, Nirvy geared people simply walked up to them, said ok, and 1 shot them. I've been pk'ed many times helping lowbies, and the truth is...that the more that I got pk'ed, the less I frequented SP. A PK enabled, non drop instance is good, but the location is horrible.

My answers in blue.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

No your storyline is mandatory, its a quest you cant trash or get rid off. OHT Chain is for 100 culti at the very end yes but its an optional pickup so its the players choice to do it or not.

Mandatory is the key word here, preventing someone from doing something they HAVE to do would be breaking the rules, preventing someone from doing something they chose to pick up wouldn't be.

Fact is that by that logic, almost everything is optional. Technically, its optional whether you complete fb59 to learn your level 59 skills. Its optional whether you do your bh. Its optional in every aspect, but the OHT portions ARE MANDATORY if one is to obtain their third fairy appearance, and to learn their level 100 skills. Those people still shouldd not be hindered just because they can be.

Nahleanna - Sanctuary · February 2012

Pk should not be allowed in a low lvl quest zone like SP

AND PK NEEDS TO BE BANNED 100% ITS A VILE AFRONT TO GAMMING

Sel_Darkmore - Dreamweaver · February 2012

I know SP may seem like a fun pkable area for some since no worries of drops and a frustrating thing for most others specially in a PVE server.

I not complaining or anything but maybe for the future make somewhere else like such instead of SP since its populated with non pkers who are tryna do there quest and such. IDk maybe Trench or Glee perhaps. Not really gonna find low level players there much.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary · February 2012

Nahleanna - Sanctuary wrote: »

Pk should not be allowed in a low lvl quest zone like SP

AND PK NEEDS TO BE BANNED 100% ITS A VILE AFRONT TO GAMMING

Mentality like this needs to be banned. Separate in your mind in-game PK from real-life murder please.

Fintan - Lost City · February 2012

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

Mandatory is the key word here, preventing someone from doing something they HAVE to do would be breaking the rules, preventing someone from doing something they chose to pick up wouldn't be.

And you have to do the OHT stuff to get their final skills. Therefore, they need to do their stuff in Secret Passage. Can't wait to see if our new 100 skills also require it. b:chuckle

Also, you know how ****ing annoying it is to be in BB with Silver Frost almost dead and having a sin unstealth on you and killing only you and then force stealthing so that the squad (hopefully, to them) wipes? Even if it's not mandatory, that's uncalled for in any case. That's not "PvP" by any means as there's no "v" to speak of.

Traz - Dreamweaver · February 2012

You don't love PK in SP, you love no consequences PK, the location is irrelevant. So how about we find a spot that's suitable and I'm all for it.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary · February 2012

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You don't love PK in SP, you love no consequences PK, the location is irrelevant. So how about we find a spot that's suitable and I'm all for it.

We have been asking them to reopen arena for years

It runs fine on certain non-official servers, I don't see what the problem is here <.>

_Zappy_ - Heavens Tear · February 2012

Yeh I love PK'ing in there as well, there's so many more casual PK'ers around to have fun with. But I agree it's not in the best place...wish we could have an area set aside for just this.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver · February 2012

CritCat - Archosaur wrote: »

Need BH/FB29? Stone in.

Know what? If lowbies, especially arcane lowbies, stone in, there's a high probability they will die from the tombstones by the wheel of earth aggroing while they're in transition.

sachelfunlol · February 2012

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

We have been asking them to reopen arena for years

It runs fine on certain non-official servers, I don't see what the problem is here <.>

There is the problem, stuff doesnt get fixed here, until years later b:chuckle

CritCat - Archosaur · February 2012

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1300401

Fixes that!

Anyway only thing i have to say on this issue is the stupid reasons GM's have to allow then deny it.

Did anyone else notice the rule was 'No killing people in SP as you need to enter it to do your cultivation' (despite the fact there is no cultivation in SP (OHT Chain quest isn't mandatory)) then the rule was changed once it was pk enabled last time to 'pk anyone there's no reason to enter SP and FB29 can be ported into' and THEN once it was removed because of lowbes complaining they went back to 'There's cultivation in there, no killing people'

A nice solid actual rule would help but other then that, i don't pk in SP unless im called out.

The issue with that place is you can't PK against blue names....

orangejuice0 · February 2012

CritCat - Archosaur wrote: »

As a beginning note: I don't really kill lowbies, not my style and I'm not one for PK count, or numbers on a scoreboard which mean jack ****.

Anyways, I love going there on my bluenamed wizard, and having loads of fun squadding with my friends and watching them kill others, and sometimes killing a few 8x players myself around the area. Killing lowbies isn't fun and it inspires hate, which I tend to attempt to avoid.

8x wiz is fun to PK as is. I also like getting on my assassin and killing the other 10x levels around the area.

I like having an instance that forces people to PK, but still have safety of dropping items, then again there's going to be total A******* because they can be, but hey, being nice and squadding with a high sin to escort is easy, and stoning in is easier. I understand there's maybe 3 quests I think that require people going inside, and more often than not in this server people won't chase beyond the 1st room unless they're farming you.

Shade? Get some friends, or ask a high level to help, we're more than willing.
Need SilverFrost? Get a squad.
Getting farmed? Go play a different game, or call up some buddies.
Need BH/FB29? Stone in.

I wish that PW could keep the instance permanently in PK mode, as the only 2 places on archosaur that call for PK is
West Gate: 105 R9+10~12 much?
or
South Lost City Gate: I often see lowbies PKing here more often than not.

The last place I see PK most often is in SP, as everyone can PK there and have fun as they wish, with no fear of dropping items whatsoever.

I don't really see how people have so many problems with this, as I never do.

Just thought I'd say.b:thanks

if u like pk so much why u are in a carebear server????lol
SP is the most INAPPROPRIATE place for pk(culti/quest for low lvls+ lowbie instance),u just dont like getting red(avoid drop items) or u really buthurt from u getting killed by uber Cash shoppers at west gate i dont know u pick.
this game needs a pure pvp instance(arena or whatever)at least ask for something like this not bring back pk in lowbie place......

_Adrasteia_ - Dreamweaver · February 2012

it would be fun if ppl could fight fair . its never 1 vs 1 mostly 3 vs 1

Jeremied - Sanctuary · February 2012

<_< Everyone that says to stone into fb29 needs to be forced to play a level 29 wizard and made to stone in so they will die repeatedly. Using the stone is pretty much guaranteed death for any pure AA wearer below lvl45.

I don't pk, but I would personally LOVE an instance with consequence free PvP. Just not in the place where my faction mates are going to be kill farmed by ignorant people who can't remember the last time they really needed anything in SP.

Enjoy it while it lasts though, since the changes to "fix" this have already been implemented internally and will probably go live next maint.

CritCat - Archosaur · February 2012

Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »

<_< Everyone that says to stone into fb29 needs to be forced to play a level 29 wizard and made to stone in so they will die repeatedly. Using the stone is pretty much guaranteed death for any pure AA wearer below lvl45.

I've done it before, no problems.

Even with the PK going on. Seriously, the only way to die is to have a s*** computer and lag when stoning in long enough to get killed.

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide · February 2012

Some classes doing their fb29 will be killed by the Centurians if they stone in. b:bye

Asone - Raging Tide · February 2012

This has been discussed before. It was resolved after the many complaints from the player base which was a large majority. Needless to say its the high percentage that hated it.

Also

genotypist wrote: »

PWI: Descent Patch Notes
Version 612
Released February 15, 2012

Known Issues
Players level 1-29 can, once again, be PKed in Secret Passage. This is fixed internally, but will require a content patch in order to fix on Live. Please be patient. orz

they are messing with it again.

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide · February 2012

Nahleanna - Sanctuary wrote: »

Pk should not be allowed in a low lvl quest zone like SP

AND PK NEEDS TO BE BANNED 100% ITS A VILE AFRONT TO GAMMING

Lol; Can't tell if trolling, or serious. b:thanks

_blood_rain - Sanctuary · February 2012

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »

Lol; Can't tell if trolling, or serious. b:thanks

Serious, sadly.

Decus - Dreamweaver · February 2012

I am all for consequence-free PK, but just today I saw some sins farming lowbies trying to do Shade Edio. It was sad. I killed them and they called me a coward and a whole bunch of other unpleasant words. b:cry

This really isn't a good place for it.

Pyrogasm - Heavens Tear · February 2012

CritCat - Archosaur wrote: »

As a beginning note: I don't really kill lowbies, not my style and I'm not one for PK count, or numbers on a scoreboard which mean jack ****.

Anyways, I love going there on my bluenamed wizard, and having loads of fun squadding with my friends and watching them kill others, and sometimes killing a few 8x players myself around the area. Killing lowbies isn't fun and it inspires hate, which I tend to attempt to avoid.

8x wiz is fun to PK as is. I also like getting on my assassin and killing the other 10x levels around the area.

I like having an instance that forces people to PK, but still have safety of dropping items, then again there's going to be total A******* because they can be, but hey, being nice and squadding with a high sin to escort is easy, and stoning in is easier. I understand there's maybe 3 quests I think that require people going inside, and more often than not in this server people won't chase beyond the 1st room unless they're farming you.

Shade? Get some friends, or ask a high level to help, we're more than willing.
Need SilverFrost? Get a squad.
Getting farmed? Go play a different game, or call up some buddies.
Need BH/FB29? Stone in.

I wish that PW could keep the instance permanently in PK mode, as the only 2 places on archosaur that call for PK is
West Gate: 105 R9+10~12 much?
or
South Lost City Gate: I often see lowbies PKing here more often than not.

The last place I see PK most often is in SP, as everyone can PK there and have fun as they wish, with no fear of dropping items whatsoever.

I don't really see how people have so many problems with this, as I never do.

Just thought I'd say.b:thanks

go to a PvP server. kthxbye

I love PK in SP.

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