so why don't bp work on bms new skill

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver

Ok, got the new whirly in a circle skill....the damage sucks and blood paint doesn't work. Skill looks pretty though.

Decus - Dreamweaver

For that matter, why doesn't BP work for archers if it works for knife throw! b:angry

scarfaceclaw

because one is a melee class and the other is not

Ikarium - Dreamweaver

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

For that matter, why doesn't BP work for archers if it works for knife throw! b:angry

This isn't biased. Archers = ranged. Sins = Melee.

Strap a bow on a sin and watch the BP returns.....oh wait......

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This isn't biased. Archers = ranged. Sins = Melee.

Strap a bow on a sin and watch the BP returns.....oh wait......

We have melee skills

Decus - Dreamweaver

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This isn't biased. Archers = ranged. Sins = Melee.

Strap a bow on a sin and watch the BP returns.....oh wait......

My point, which I suppose you missed, was the lack of consistency. KT is a ranged skill, yet it takes bramble and BP. Archers have skills that return bramble but do not return BP. I believe this is the case with some seeker skills as well, though you'll have to forgive my ignorance with the class.

Kairu_ - Sanctuary

very much so

knife throw though is ranged is considered a melee skill since it's a skill on a melee class. and is effected by bramble becasue it's phsyical damage, and bp because it's a melee physical *range yes but melee class considers it melee*

have i lost you yet ???

ok lets continue then . . . . . archers have ranged damage so bp wouldn't heal them, and being a ranged class all their skills are considered range, but your physical attacks, and physical based skills return bramble because it returns physical damage, not melee, not magic, not ranged, but physical

ok i think i lost him there but lets continue anyway

seekers most their skills are physical, but being on a melee class their all considred a melee class skill even if it's a ranged attack, while the skills that don't get bp or bramble deal magic damage and thus don't heal through bp, or take damage from bramble

if you followed that, then grats maby your a big boy afterall. not enough to sit at the card table, but at least you can stop wearing pull-ups.

Sagek - Sanctuary

Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

if you followed that, then grats maby your a big boy afterall. not enough to sit at the card table, but at least you can stop wearing pull-ups.

Whats the point of saying that? You don't need to insult him to make your point.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Just imagine the mess of someone spinning all over the place while being painted with fresh blood. Ew.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »

Whats the point of saying that? You don't need to insult him to make your point.

Because insults are the defense of a weaker mind.

Kairu_ - Sanctuary

na because if you don't have the common sence to figure out something that simple on your own, you need to be insulted.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

na because if you don't have the common sence to figure out something that simple on your own, you need to be insulted.

I'm going to ignore your lack of grammar prowess and explain my argument again, since you clearly are not grasping it.

Archers have skills that are not ranged. They return bramble damage, as do all melee skills (note the use of the word 'melee' and not 'physical'), but they do not return BP. My argument was not a question of the generalization over how BP is applied, as you so arrogantly claimed it to be, but why the lack of consistency given that there are skills that are ranged that return BP on other classes. You did not answer or provide a counterpoint to my claim so much as to just state "oh hey, dis how it is and ur dumb for askin y." If that makes me dumb, then I shudder to think what you claim is intelligent.

hiddenmonkey

Its the same reason fox form venos don't get it. w2i hates you guys.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

na because if you don't have the common sence to figure out something that simple on your own, you need to be insulted.

Because the inner workings of a video game mechanics is common sense stuff that everyone knows. Pssh, even a four year old knows that ranged damage from a melee class isn't ranged damage just because that person is usually close to you. It's just common sense. And everyone should know the reason behind every in-game mechanic in existence, just because they play the game.


To be honest, the way it's setup is stupid. Fox fox form venos have an entire melee tree (and the damage they do while autoattacking in melee form is considered melee damage, but their melee damage although modified by a melee damage skill modifier and outright called melee damage, isn't considered melee damage to BP either. The fact of the matter is, bloodpaint is a purposefully inconsistent buff. I guess that because they are a caster class though, their melee damage doesn't count. Even though it's obviously melee damage, is coded as melee damage, involves doing melee damage, and is modified by a melee damage skill. And is a form specifically designed to enhance their melee damage.

Kairu_ - Sanctuary

i do agree, that i made a mistake on all phys dmg proccing bramble

as for bp not effecting archer skills even though they have 2 melee. is because their a class originally created for a ranged DD as your all aware of. and since bloodpaint is meant to heal through melee dmg they didn't allow it to buff casters, or archer

yes archers can 5.0 and have a couple melee skills. but for pwi those skills are as a last resort if their in melee range. and the class was never made for 5.0 fists in the first place, but to use a bow. if they were to allow bloodpaint the'd completely ignore the original base of the game entirely which is archers are to use bows/xbows/slingshots, not any sort of melee wep.

edit: as for fox veno's having a melee tree i agree it's slightly annoying they don't get bp. but since 90% of veno's stay with their pataka's or whichever magic wep they choose, and only melee to curse and purge, as well as though they have a melee tree, in pwi's eyes their still a caster. however sad it may be, it's true.

LoraTab - Dreamweaver

And yet a seeker can whirl around in a circle and bp works as bp can be applied to a seeker(unlike say an archer or veno) , but when a bm whirls around in a cirlce with a weapon with bp aplied.....it doesn't work. Not only that genie skills don't work.

So we have a very short skill that barely does any damage an if u have many mobs on u- good chance ull die as your bp won't work-like it does with all the rest of your aoes.