Wizard? worth it?

Gabbyz - Lost City

So currently i play a 96 veno. And we've grown outdated thanks to sins and all. And i've thought about making a wiz after seeing some of the old school wizs be amazing back when they played. I was wondering a few things though:
1. Are wizards good pve? Solo?
2. Hows damage compared to a sin or other dd class?
3. Are wizys outdated too?
4. Do partys even want wiz anymore?
5. Pk/pvp/tw. Wiz any good?
6. End game dmg? My veno cureently does terrible dmg. I wanna be able to kill stuff. Not fail.
Any other info that may sway my decision would be appreciated! Thanks!

Daemon_Imp - Lost City

i heard wizzies were OP when they first came out, then something happened (genie?) and something else happened (tideborns?) so im not too sure if the "old school wiz" thingy applies now

venos are awesome in purge and amps, paired with another high dph class like wiz u can go around 1shotting other stuff

hmm pve? gv and guild trials i guess (buff in trials only affects skill dmg, not auto atk), but in general dps sux, solo stuff would take years. doesnt seem to be a prob getting into bh100 squads tho

i dont believe we have the highest dph anymore with a bunch of high crit% GoF stuff around (gotta check 1k elder rankings), but we have reliable high dph

wiz nice in pvp/tw/pk/nice end game dmg (addicted to spark)

i rly like spark + fire comboes. wiz has highest burst dmg (i think) due to spark+undine+sutra. good for taking out those cata barbs

wiz is very genie dependent imo

wiz seems get really good skills with the new expansion set to come out

John_Smith - Harshlands

Gabbyz - Lost City wrote: »

So currently i play a 96 veno. And we've grown outdated thanks to sins and all. And i've thought about making a wiz after seeing some of the old school wizs be amazing back when they played. I was wondering a few things though:
1. Are wizards good pve? Solo?

Past 60 they can do normal quests with ease, past 80 they can AoE tonnes of mobs in 1-2 hits in squads.

2. Hows damage compared to a sin or other dd class?

Single target poor to any aps user, lower than a Psy on single target, AoEs are powerful as hell.

3. Are wizys outdated too?

Hate to say it, but yes, largely. Seem to be making a comeback of sorts however, seeing waaay more of them over the past few months than the first half of last year.

4. Do partys even want wiz anymore?

Haha. It can be difficult, people tend to always want sins and at most 1 AoE DD. If they have a seeker tank you're screwed since they do your job and tank leaving room for 4 sins and a healer b:victory

5. Pk/pvp/tw. Wiz any good?

Gods of TW, good at general PvP although Sins are obviously a huge problem. Psychics and archers suck too but are more easily killed with intelligent pot use / genie skills.

6. End game dmg? My veno cureently does terrible dmg. I wanna be able to kill stuff. Not fail.

Single target is still largely poor, AoEs get more and more impressive as your gear gets better. It isn't uncommon to drop 70-100k crits with only Undine as a debuff in PvE at level 90+gear with the ultis.

Any other info that may sway my decision would be appreciated! Thanks!

Excluding any rank gear your Wizard could use all of your venomancers gear if you obtain and account stash (or none of it is bound). Makes it easier to test one out without committing too much. (Can always run both characters, many do).

~Comments in red are largely my opinions, but I think they're true as well.

tweakz

Gabbyz - Lost City wrote: »

So currently i play a 96 veno. And we've grown outdated thanks to sins and all.

no

And i've thought about making a wiz after seeing some of the old school wizs be amazing back when they played. I was wondering a few things though:
1. Are wizards good pve? Solo?

Poor heals are the main limitation.

2. Hows damage compared to a sin or other dd class?

All classes are DD. If sins were such great DDs; they wouldn't have such a hard time getting into RB squads, and they wouldn't suck so bad at Warsong.

3. Are wizys outdated too?

Far more valuable than Assassins for RB, and Warsong (mainly due to ignorance on part of assassins).

4. Do partys even want wiz anymore?

In RB, and Caster Nirvana: yes. In traditional Nirvana: no. All else is non factor.

6. End game dmg? My veno cureently does terrible dmg. I wanna be able to kill stuff. Not fail.

Your veno is fail. My veno way out dmgs my cleric, wiz, and mystic. Veno has better eruption dmg, better casting time, better debuffs, better complimentary pet skills, and less dependence on pdef.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Gabbyz - Lost City wrote: »

So currently i play a 96 veno. And we've grown outdated thanks to sins and all. And i've thought about making a wiz after seeing some of the old school wizs be amazing back when they played. I was wondering a few things though:
1. Are wizards good pve? Solo?
2. Hows damage compared to a sin or other dd class?
3. Are wizys outdated too?
4. Do partys even want wiz anymore?
5. Pk/pvp/tw. Wiz any good?
6. End game dmg? My veno cureently does terrible dmg. I wanna be able to kill stuff. Not fail.
Any other info that may sway my decision would be appreciated! Thanks!

No

1. One of the worst.
2. With rank 9 gear, any other class can do just as much damage, sometimes more.
3. Yes.
4. No.
5. TW? - Yes. PK? Only if your opponent has equal or lesser gear - and sins/archers with much less gear can generally kill you anyway.
6. See #2 above.

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

No

1. One of the worst.
2. With rank 9 gear, any other class can do just as much damage, sometimes more.
3. Yes.
4. No.
5. TW? - Yes. PK? Only if your opponent has equal or lesser gear - and sins/archers with much less gear can generally kill you anyway.
6. See #2 above.

I approve of this!b:victory

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Gabbyz - Lost City wrote: »

So currently i play a 96 veno. And we've grown outdated thanks to sins and all. And i've thought about making a wiz after seeing some of the old school wizs be amazing back when they played. I was wondering a few things though:
1. Are wizards good pve? Solo?
you can do your regular questing stuff in a decent speed...
instances are another story -> see problem below
2. Hows damage compared to a sin or other dd class?
damage over time is one of the worst
3. Are wizys outdated too?
popular TW alts
4. Do partys even want wiz anymore?
depends on what you do, and wizards are not always wizards
a low geared wiz is terribly squishie, a well or average geared wiz does almost never die in PVE due to extremely high defenses, my wizard often remains the last man standing - when i caused a squad wipe - intentionally -
5. Pk/pvp/tw. Wiz any good?
venos are very very valuable in tw, trust me. some ppl are hardly killable without purge/amp ... that doesnt make a wiz less valuable tho
6. End game dmg? My veno cureently does terrible dmg. I wanna be able to kill stuff. Not fail.
Any other info that may sway my decision would be appreciated! Thanks!
you gotta count in the damage your pet deals as well...

dwwawdaw

_Raido - Archosaur

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

No

1. One of the worst.
2. With rank 9 gear, any other class can do just as much damage, sometimes more.
3. Yes.
4. No.
5. TW? - Yes. PK? Only if your opponent has equal or lesser gear - and sins/archers with much less gear can generally kill you anyway.
6. See #2 above.

^^^This.

Lady_Esther - Dreamweaver

Some of these responses are true and some are not. Wizzies can't solo high level instances but 19-39 and 59 can be soloed if you know how to use your skills right. As for damage, wizzys have the highest damage in game. Sorry guys but it's true. don't believe get low level classes together and see who kills who first. However wizards are a rather hard class due to having to "think and process and react quickly". Other classes allow you to simply click and do a few skills.

As for wizzys being outdated, this is deeper then a yes or no answer. Many people have a hard time adjusting to the fact that wizzys require stratergy to play effectivly. If you're not gonna want to learn how every single skill not only work but how it works in combination with other skills then being a wizard is not right for you.

As for partys it depends. Once you reach higher levels 50+ saying you're a wiz with the right gear, many will jump for you. Instances like caster nirvy has a high demand for wizzys. I personally never have a hard time looking for a party. I know some people said no it's impossible, but the same can be said for any class especially sins who do not have "good enough" gear

If you wanna play pk then i would suggest a demon wiz they have a lot of fire power. On the dreamweaver server there was a 89 wiz who practically owned the 89 pk event. As for tw you can be either both are high in demand because no class has aoe skills like wizs.

As for damage my level 99 wiz hits harder then one of my faction mates r9 lvl 103 sin. (if nott for his aps i would always pull aggro) and i only have rank 6 armor. and tt 90 weapon. If you stick to your wiz till the end and get good gear (doesn't have to be r9 can be tt 99 gear) you'll hit hard and kill quickly.

Also no class is better than the other in TW. Every class strengths and weakness that balance it with others. Ex: Venos purge while wizs hit hard and kill cata barbs. Clerics heal while sins go into steath and kill them.

In conclusion, Wizard is a class that requires you to think and strategize. At high levels you can run up to a mob and one shot them. However bosses require you to come up with a plan and take action. If you're not the type of person for that then a wiz isn't right for you.

Also sorry for any typos it's like 700 am and must go to sleep. Goof luvk

Elronia - Heavens Tear

I had El almost 4 years now, yep some bad times esspecially when APS squads wouldnt take us to nirvarna. But they seem to be gaining popularity again. Which is nice too see.

Bottom line is I play my wizzie cos she's fun, im comfortable playing her an i like to watch her bum wiggle when she casts gushb:laugh

Above post has lots of truth in it. A wizard needs a great deal of skill to play well. I feel im slightly above average. To play well you need a very good sense of situational awareness. You need to know whats around you, you need too be able to make quick decisions even in PVE to stay alive.
One the 1st things I learned an try to always tell prospective wizards is this. Diffrence between a good wizzie and a bad wizzie is a good wizzie knows when NOT to cast a spell.

Anri_Rose - Archosaur

Its nice to come visit. All this talk about wizzies makes me want to come out of seclusion.
I feel like we have become sort of a class played only for fun these days, and Im fine with that, since thats why i played one to begin with.

b:cute

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Anri_Rose - Archosaur wrote: »

Its nice to come visit. All this talk about wizzies makes me want to come out of seclusion.
I feel like we have become sort of a class played only for fun these days, and Im fine with that, since thats why i played one to begin with.

b:cute

neh wizards are needed in tw (and enjoyable, and of high survivability if played correctly)

*number two DD after archers, since rank 9



all casters get killed by archers and all heavies get killed by wizards

ask a barb what class kills him most, then ask a cleric

Zarriah - Raging Tide

So far Im enjoying my Wizard, now level 72. I've died alot less on her than my Psychic, but Im finally starting to see some big numbers come up. My only complaint is the channeling, but that can be fixed later.

I started a Wiz cause I love caster classes, and Ive always thought Wizards had the most awesome attacks. Big Blue Dragon! A phoenix! Fireballs raining down from the sky!

I havent had trouble getting into squads yet, but that may change once I get FC level. Already having problems on other alts, so we shall see.

All in all, worth it if youre patient.

Toliman - Raging Tide

Zarriah - Raging Tide wrote: »

So far Im enjoying my Wizard, now level 72. I've died alot less on her than my Psychic, but Im finally starting to see some big numbers come up. My only complaint is the channeling, but that can be fixed later.

I started a Wiz cause I love caster classes, and Ive always thought Wizards had the most awesome attacks. Big Blue Dragon! A phoenix! Fireballs raining down from the sky!

I havent had trouble getting into squads yet, but that may change once I get FC level. Already having problems on other alts, so we shall see.

All in all, worth it if youre patient.

Being in squad with Blademaster ask for HF and hit. You will see something more than usual.

Also Balde Tempest is better for Wizard of your level than "Big Blue Dragon".

It is element independent and in most cases do more damage.

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At high levels all classes need same to be powerful: best equipment.

It is impossible to get without endless patience for work towards "best equipment" or CS.

But if it is game then sometimes better to play instead of work. Even at other game where you can get items through quests.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Zarriah - Raging Tide wrote: »

So far Im enjoying my Wizard, now level 72. I've died alot less on her than my Psychic, but Im finally starting to see some big numbers come up. My only complaint is the channeling, but that can be fixed later.

I started a Wiz cause I love caster classes, and Ive always thought Wizards had the most awesome attacks. Big Blue Dragon! A phoenix! Fireballs raining down from the sky!

I havent had trouble getting into squads yet, but that may change once I get FC level. Already having problems on other alts, so we shall see.

All in all, worth it if youre patient.

for fc.. make sure you have both, CE(cloud eruption) and Expel on your genie
and the rest should be smooth

expel is essential for every big pull (assuming you are the highest aoe dd, or first hitting), it is better than AD for several reasons, such as:
lower cooldown, longer duration, lower energy cost.
the magic mobs shouldnt worry you much
setting up DB and expel seems to be safe compared to BT when you cant 1shot mobs

you have the advantage of using only 1 spark for an aoe comparable to vortex and boa (both 2 spark skills)



dont ignore mountain seize, use it when nobody else can stun ^-^
you have time to channel when mobs are running (being pulled towards you)
know your speed and time it.
be aware that you have aggro after stun, that single damage is usually higher than what seekers or archers deal within stun time


in fc on archer i saw wizards die to low hp mobs who came for them after an BT...
they did nothing and died cause the genie was out of energy for CE. (how about phoenix before they hit you?)

witniss

My wizard is the rankest class I have with 2 skycovers on and demon stone barrier I have over 20k Pdef self buffed

Zarriah - Raging Tide

Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »

Being in squad with Blademaster ask for HF and hit. You will see something more than usual.

Also Blade Tempest is better for Wizard of your level than "Big Blue Dragon".

It is element independent and in most cases do more damage.

I was simply commenting on how the attacks looked, not saying it's the only ultimate I ever use. I've always though BIDS looked the coolest. I know how elemental attacks work, ty. b:pleased

Daemon_Imp - Lost City

wiz is awesome

Burnout - Harshlands

There's only 1 reason to make a Wizard nowadays, and that's to kill barbs in TW. Even in RB psychics and archers can do just as well as wizzies, but they also have advantages over the wiz in pve, pvp, and other places as well.

That said though, killing barbs in TW IS a pretty important reason.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

hitting gruops of people for 6 digits is a legitiment reason to play a wizard. takes a few billion coins though.

Adroit - Lost City

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

hitting gruops of people for 6 digits is a legitiment reason to play a wizard. takes a few billion coins though.

^ this imo is the most important role of a wiz (at least for TW)

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

There is no better feeling then dropping a bids/bt on 30+ people and watching over half of them drop. its actually why i came back to game.

Adroit you should come play my wizard on harshlands trolol

Adroit - Lost City

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

Adroit you should come play my wizard on harshlands trolol

would be so fun b:victory

thumbs

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

hitting gruops of people for 6 digits is a legitiment reason to play a wizard. takes a few billion coins though.

ANY caster can do this.

Don't look at the fail vit builds.

Adroit - Lost City

thumbs wrote: »

ANY caster can do this.

Don't look at the fail vit builds.

not nearly as well as a wiz can

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

I can do it every time a group springs up r9 or not. between white tea and cloud erupt with a 100mag genie. and 3 large aoe large damage skills with only 30sec cooldowns.
i'll give it to psys for doing small group dps aoe's. but no one aoe's large groups like a wizard

Leviath_Imp - Lost City

as a sage wiz, constantly dropping heavy aoes in TW whenever the opportunity presents itself is no problem. we also have one of the greatest potential in single-target burst dps. despite lacking native antistun or disable skills, we still have good defense. unfortunately, this makes my genie heavily based on anti-control skills, the exception being spark.