Archer vs Assassin New expansion

SinArkan - Lost City
SinArkan - Lost City Posts: 65 Arc User
edited February 2012 in Assassin
So for what ive heard archers are getting stealth of 31 lvls (undetectable by sins that dont have sense if it was initialy a sin skill), they are getting skills to move like wizies to their sides, and we assassins are just making them drop dq items instead of coins, and a frontal aoe (in my opinion it dont have sense cuz like in any instance when you are aoeing mobs attack u from anywhere and with a skill just attacking the ones infront of you you cant even stand a chance)wtf will happen to assassins, archers will be able to solo any instance? (stealth + 5.0 claw aps) and in pvp archers will be inmortal to assassins cuz we cant even see them plus they are ranged plus we have almost no hp can someone explin me? (I'm sorry for my bad english)
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    The Archer stealth isn't like ours. They cannot move or use any skills in it.

    As for frontal AoEs, there's a simple solution: don't be in the middle of the group, be on the side. Then it'll hit the group.

    And as for clawarchers, they still don't get BP. And you shouldn't worry about the 5.0 ones, you should worry about the R9 archers who decide to equip a -0.1 interval fist and maintain their R9 pieces for 4.0 APS and a ridiculous amount of defense levels.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I hate needless QQ and speculation on things we haven't even seen since the PWI community are rumor mongors, but...

    From what I've read "movement" drops them from stealth. Or "cloak", as the skill was interpretted. I'm not sure if use of skills counts as moving, since I thought I read they'd still be able to attack while stealth. Of course, this is speculation.

    As for our aoe being frontal cone shaped, I still call it a win. Not a huge win, but a win. Some older players may remember being a BM with a pole and a few frontal aoe's only and you could still zhen easily with that. Round them up, run away and they follow. Now they're all in one direction. As a sin you can just tele to the outside edge of the mobs and hit "s" to run away then attacking would turn you back around atacking all the mobs. omg, it might require some coordination to use a sin skill.

    Skills like Tiger Leap and Shrink have a travelling speed associated with them. Teleport doesn't (other than the instant cast which isn't really instant as mine gets interupted sometimes). Worried about an archer leaping from you, then tele at them. You win.


    I avoid TW and PvP, and the majority of this new patches content seems geared towards that, and balancing it out or at least diversifying it as it is somewhat stale. I'm excited about the new pet for my veno, and the "Orders" and new map, but I don't think this will be a real game changing patch or anything huge.
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  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I hate needless QQ and speculation on things we haven't even seen since the PWI community are rumor mongors, but...

    From what I've read "movement" drops them from stealth. Or "cloak", as the skill was interpretted. I'm not sure if use of skills counts as moving, since I thought I read they'd still be able to attack while stealth. Of course, this is speculation.

    As for our aoe being frontal cone shaped, I still call it a win. Not a huge win, but a win. Some older players may remember being a BM with a pole and a few frontal aoe's only and you could still zhen easily with that. Round them up, run away and they follow. Now they're all in one direction. As a sin you can just tele to the outside edge of the mobs and hit "s" to run away then attacking would turn you back around atacking all the mobs. omg, it might require some coordination to use a sin skill.

    Skills like Tiger Leap and Shrink have a travelling speed associated with them. Teleport doesn't (other than the instant cast which isn't really instant as mine gets interupted sometimes). Worried about an archer leaping from you, then tele at them. You win.


    I avoid TW and PvP, and the majority of this new patches content seems geared towards that, and balancing it out or at least diversifying it as it is somewhat stale. I'm excited about the new pet for my veno, and the "Orders" and new map, but I don't think this will be a real game changing patch or anything huge.

    Well at the very least people will stop QQing about sins. (hopefully)
  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The Archer stealth isn't like ours. They cannot move or use any skills in it.

    As for frontal AoEs, there's a simple solution: don't be in the middle of the group, be on the side. Then it'll hit the group.

    And as for clawarchers, they still don't get BP. And you shouldn't worry about the 5.0 ones, you should worry about the R9 archers who decide to equip a -0.1 interval fist and maintain their R9 pieces for 4.0 APS and a ridiculous amount of defense levels.
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I hate needless QQ and speculation on things we haven't even seen since the PWI community are rumor mongors, but...

    From what I've read "movement" drops them from stealth. Or "cloak", as the skill was interpretted. I'm not sure if use of skills counts as moving, since I thought I read they'd still be able to attack while stealth. Of course, this is speculation.

    As for our aoe being frontal cone shaped, I still call it a win. Not a huge win, but a win. Some older players may remember being a BM with a pole and a few frontal aoe's only and you could still zhen easily with that. Round them up, run away and they follow. Now they're all in one direction. As a sin you can just tele to the outside edge of the mobs and hit "s" to run away then attacking would turn you back around atacking all the mobs. omg, it might require some coordination to use a sin skill.

    Skills like Tiger Leap and Shrink have a travelling speed associated with them. Teleport doesn't (other than the instant cast which isn't really instant as mine gets interupted sometimes). Worried about an archer leaping from you, then tele at them. You win.


    I avoid TW and PvP, and the majority of this new patches content seems geared towards that, and balancing it out or at least diversifying it as it is somewhat stale. I'm excited about the new pet for my veno, and the "Orders" and new map, but I don't think this will be a real game changing patch or anything huge.

    Save me the hassle of linking and go look at the second page of GD (at least that is were it should be unless the mods merged the thread), and there is a video of how the archer stealth works in PvP.

    Basically it does:

    - Slow speed to 0.1 m/s, or less
    - Allows use of fly mounts and (presumably) ground mounts
    - Allows triple spark (?, Not fully sure on this one as when the archer in the video sparked I couldn't tell if it knocked him out of stealth or not)


    Basically...it looks to be like the sin stealth before the nerf, but instead of being able to freely run around they will basically be put to a pure crawl.
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  • HellWariorB - Raging Tide
    HellWariorB - Raging Tide Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    There will be severe limitations to archer stealth but i think most archers hardly wait to get it.b:pleased
  • supertroyman1
    supertroyman1 Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    lol archers cant solo almost any good instances. for 1 REALLY big reason. they cannot get bp. not to mention stealth almost wont be that big a deal anymore since seekers AND mystics will be able to knock u out of invis and other sins can see u to.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    supertroyman1 wrote: »
    lol archers cant solo almost any good instances. for 1 REALLY big reason. they cannot get bp. not to mention stealth almost wont be that big a deal anymore since seekers AND mystics will be able to knock u out of invis and other sins can see u to.

    BMs also will be getting a moving/continuous aoe that will knock people out of stealth. The trick is, it'll cost 3 sparks but then you gain 2 back. So it'll be rough saving up the chi to both knock an archer out of stealth and then effectively control them when that happens.
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  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    BMs also will be getting a moving/continuous aoe that will knock people out of stealth. The trick is, it'll cost 3 sparks but then you gain 2 back. So it'll be rough saving up the chi to both knock an archer out of stealth and then effectively control them when that happens.

    Do what Vengeful does on my server, come outta SZ with full chi from embrace or w/e and then hit the 3 spark skill and once you pop the archer out, hit cloud erupt and then use your anti-stun (spark and a half) then once the 3 spark skill is over you got 2 sparks so say hello to drake bash, Roar of the Pride, Occult Ice, rinse and repeat till dead :)
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  • Ikarium - Dreamweaver
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    _Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »
    - Slow speed to 0.1 m/s, or less//
    instead of being able to freely run around they will basically be put to a pure crawl.
    Even this.....build a holy path spammin genie + apoths (or even if Elven Alacrity is allowed usage) and you still have a running Archer in stealth. If they can move at all, even a crawl, in theory can't they still use speed boosters? Or genie skills will be blocked as well?

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