Archer build :)

CeDeViTa - Raging Tide
CeDeViTa - Raging Tide Posts: 20 Arc User
edited February 2012 in Archer
Ok so I finnaly hitted lvl 100 :))) I had rep gathered for r8 long before the lvl so I am now here to hear some thoughts from you guys :)
I have around 110-115 coins in my inventory ready to be spent on my gear :)
Plz share some thoughts I was planning on smth like this :
http://pwcalc.com/63a3711d7a0f16c5
already have the whrist and ring :) plz dun troll me now :)
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Do you PvP? I think that's the most important question.
  • CeDeViTa - Raging Tide
    CeDeViTa - Raging Tide Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    yes I do :) I am in tw faction and we do tw almost every week :) +I am always white ;)
  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    CeDeViTa - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I have around 110-115 coins in my inventory ready to be spent on my gear :)

    Coins or mill? because coins wont get you that far lol.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • CeDeViTa - Raging Tide
    CeDeViTa - Raging Tide Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    mil xD
  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Hard to actually give you exact items to invest in but I guess, a better helmet warsoul perhaps since its not that expensive, a new cape and tome.


    Else I would probably get map 4 belt since its free and good, lunar ring and start refining for 7k hp base and +10 the wep.

    Something like this: http://pwcalc.com/4022c155a0128d8c

    Didn't want to make the build to expensive but its a start,its a short term goal. If you want to go higher which I recommend i'd try get more expensive parts 1 by 1 like Nirvana pants, helm, warsong belt, cube neck etc..

    Refining everything to +5 and trying to get 1 part at the time to +10 will benefit you more then trying to d orb it all to +7, the jump between the highest refines are a lot more noticeable then the +6 +7 ones.
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  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    CeDeViTa - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Ok so I finnaly hitted lvl 100 :))) I had rep gathered for r8 long before the lvl so I am now here to hear some thoughts from you guys :)
    I have around 110-115 coins in my inventory ready to be spent on my gear :)
    Plz share some thoughts I was planning on smth like this :
    http://pwcalc.com/63a3711d7a0f16c5
    already have the whrist and ring :) plz dun troll me now :)


    Remove that helm. It takes way too much strength.

    Use 2 lunar rings and improves refines to +6 (join a guild with lots of land and go to the officers)

    This would be your best buck http://pwcalc.com/3ac2a8a3de4a9ccc
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Disregard the post above me completely. In fact, pretend it doesn't exist. You'll be much better off that way.
  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    truekossy wrote: »
    Disregard the post above me completely. In fact, pretend it doesn't exist. You'll be much better off that way.

    Trolololo rage kid ?
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Coming from the anon with 22 posts displaying a brutal lack of understanding of real PK or gear? That's priceless.

    I stopped reading your nonsense when you said to remove the helm with the reasoning of it taking way too much strength (which, apparently, is a word you're incapable of spelling)... when wearing Rank9 gear requires the exact same 105 strength.

    I did click the pwcalc link you gave for fun... and proceeded to laugh even harder at the level 30 helm with what was literally an impossible HP bonus as well as the fact that you had it at +5.


    So it's not a case of being mad in the slightest, kid. It's merely giving the OP advice that will save him/her from listening to someone who happens to be an idiot.
  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    U re a TARD BRO.

    Why would a R8 archer want 105 STR helm except G15 ones

    Requisite STR for R8 = 50 noob troll

    Pls don't QQ about that TARD shame of all archers helms.

    What is your point LOL ?

    Seriously uninstall ASAP it will be better for your sanity
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    The ugly pink helmet is not the best helmet out there but it's not that terrible considering how high levels go these days. It used to be terrible when being level 90 was considered being "high level." It's much better than the one you put in your pwcalc. That said I"m pretty sure you're trolling, so I'll leave it at that.
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  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    It doesn't really matter which helm you go as long as it low STR req and gives HP bonus.

    Since most consider R9 endgame but this dude has barely the money to afford the ring.

    NO MAD n GO BACK TO YOUR SHIETHOLE ASAP

    LOL
  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Easy answer, he doesn't have the HP to pull off a pure dex build with current PWI. Once he gets the gears for it he can reset the str into dex. Warsoul helmet is the cheapest helmet for a decent HP.

    R9 is obtainable by anyone, the person recently hit 100, he doesn't even have the lvl for R9 and you're assuming that he should be able to afford at least the ring? He got all the time in the world to get R9 if he is aiming for it. What hes looking for is a decent armor set for his amount of money, he never said he wanted an endgame build.

    I've seen a lot of people think they way you just did and honestly, that build was good before R9 now, you wont survive anything with that dex+hp.


    PS; the helmet you put has stats that are quite impossible to get since they actually do not exist. The highest you can obtain on that helmet would be +60 hp each which is a 0.93% per stat.
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  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Dylena - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Easy answer, he doesn't have the HP to pull off a pure dex build with current PWI. Once he gets the gears for it he can reset the str into dex. Warsoul helmet is the cheapest helmet for a decent HP.

    R9 is obtainable by anyone, the person recently hit 100, he doesn't even have the lvl for R9 and you're assuming that he should be able to afford at least the ring? He got all the time in the world to get R9 if he is aiming for it. What hes looking for is a decent armor set for his amount of money, he never said he wanted an endgame build.

    I've seen a lot of people think they way you just did and honestly, that build was good before R9 now, you wont survive anything with that dex+hp.


    PS; the helmet you put has stats that are quite impossible to get since they actually do not exist. The highest you can obtain on that helmet would be +60 hp each which is a 0.93% per stat.

    So you can read in that guy mind ?

    Damn of an ability, are you billionnaire ?

    I'm a noob please help me too choose between:

    http://pwcalc.com/3ac2a8a3de4a9ccc

    vs

    http://pwcalc.com/82ade9a8f6bd2d36

    With warsoul I haz more HP, low crit rate, low damage, low evasion, low accuracy.

    But iz OK BRO because warsoul is expensive I haz like to waste money and be worse.



    With warsoul I be kewl and since I am soooo rich I can +12 da warsoul and have TONS of dat HP

    OWNED
  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    ineye11 wrote: »
    So you can read in that guy mind ?

    Damn of an ability, are you billionnaire ?

    I'm a noob please help me too choose between:

    http://pwcalc.com/3ac2a8a3de4a9ccc

    vs

    http://pwcalc.com/82ade9a8f6bd2d36

    With warsoul I haz more HP, low crit rate, low damage, low evasion, low accuracy.

    But iz OK BRO because warsoul is expensive I haz like to waste money and be worse.



    With warsoul I be kewl and since I am soooo rich I can +12 da warsoul and have TONS of dat HP

    OWNED

    Evaison, close to worthless, 2% crit+1k dmg vs 800 hp+400 p def. Accuracy is already decent, wont make much difference. Remember that you don't actually need base 117 str to use something that has a 117 requirement, other items gives stats too.

    If warsoul helmet was worth as much as +12 items, everyone on this game would be full +12. Your argument is completely "amazing". Your helmet still do not exist and if you made it..it would still suck.

    All in all, you have the damage but if you're a one shot you wont get to deal it. Helmet can be resold when you get a LA helmet which would be nirvana.
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  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Dylena - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Evaison, close to worthless, 2% crit+1k dmg vs 800 hp+400 p def. Accuracy is already decent, wont make much difference. Remember that you don't actually need base 117 str to use something that has a 117 requirement, other items gives stats too.

    If warsoul helmet was worth as much as +12 items, everyone on this game would be full +12. Your argument is completely "amazing". Your helmet still do not exist and if you made it..it would still suck.

    All in all, you have the damage but if you're a one shot you wont get to deal it. Helmet can be resold when you get a LA helmet which would be nirvana.

    Still talking shiet ?

    Find a better R8 build then talk otherwise just shutupfkup
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    No one is talking shiet, if you call that talking shiet then maybe you're too sensitive and should stay off forums.

    Both of these builds you linked are terrible. The second link wasn't even Dy's build, do it right if you want people to compare. I like that 0.77/s attack speed. The funny thing is that Dy's link has similar DPS with your high dex build because of its better attack speed. This is even considering the fact that Dy's link has +5 bow while yours have +7. Dy's build also has 9k hp buffed, which is somewhat more respectable.

    Since the build in question is already limited in budget, attack speed plays somewhat more of a factor because you'd probably spend more time using normal attacks. The opening post states that the poster has the rep for R8 as well as 100+m, so decent gear such as a good helm and Lunar cape is certainly affordable. In addition, since +7 is basically achievable with mirages, everything should be +7. Lols at needing officers to refine.
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    In order to get a fair comparison between Pure R8 and Traditional Pure Dex, I redid the builds to have as similar equipment as possible.


    Pure R8 Build - http://pwcalc.com/50616a39c0c9dc2d

    Physical Atk: 9498-14577
    Critical Rate: 39%
    Attack Rate: 0.77 /sec
    Accuracy: 6048
    Attack Level: 30
    Avg DPH: 12,037.500 - w/Crit: 16,732.12500
    Avg DPS: 09,268.875 - w/Crit: 12,883.73625

    HP: 6908
    Evasion: 4658
    Phy Def: 4290 (52% dam reduction vs. lvl 100)
    Mag Def: 3907 (49% dam reduction vs. lvl 100)


    Traditional Build w/ Warsoul Helm - http://pwcalc.com/ce209ff01e999c9c

    Physical Atk: 8605-13206
    Critical Rate: 34%
    Attack Rate: 0.87 /sec
    Accuracy: 5208
    Attack Level: 30
    Avg DPH: 10,905.500 - w/Crit: 14,613.37000
    Avg DPS: 09,487.785 - w/Crit: 12,713.63190

    HP: 7086
    Evasion: 4261
    Phy Def: 4364 (52% dam reduction vs. lvl 100)
    Mag Def: 3817 (49% dam reduction vs. lvl 100)


    Traditional Build w/ Helm of Lion Spirit - http://pwcalc.com/8dd205bcbad72225

    Physical Atk: 8886-13637
    Critical Rate: 34%
    Attack Rate: 0.87 /sec
    Accuracy: 5472
    Attack Level: 30
    Avg DPH: 11,261.500 - w/Crit: 15,090.41000
    Avg DPS: 09,797.505 - w/Crit: 13,128.65670

    HP: 6681
    Evasion: 4439
    Phy Def: 4272 (52% dam reduction vs. lvl 100)
    Mag Def: 3817 (49% dam reduction vs. lvl 100)


    - Damages do not take into account Attack Level, but all have the same Attack Level, so it's moot.

    - I went with Ence's Scar on the Pure R8 build since it requires 52 Str and has higher refines than, say, a low level helmet with 50 Str requirement. For those unaware, Warsoul of Heaven has a Magic requirement, so that's not usable.

    - Warsoul of Earth refines better than Ence's Scar, so comparable further refines on the headgear slot would favor the Traditional Pure Dex build w/ Warsoul Helm, in terms of HP.

    - It should be noted that further increases in -interval gear (TT99 HA ornaments, cape, tome) will increase the DPS of the Traditional Pure Dex builds more than the Pure R8 build. Obviously all builds would benefit from more -interval; I'm simply saying that the Traditional Pure Dex builds would benefit more because it is already faster.

    - I'm not certain how many sockets the R8 gear has, so I just went with 3 sockets on wrists / boots for all builds.


    My thoughts: I find the Pure R8 build interesting. You can see the effects of 50 Dex on the average DPH. However, Pure R8 is slower than Traditional Pure Dex, and when you start investing more in -interval gear, the DPS of the Traditional Pure Dex builds will come out ahead in terms of sustained normal attacks. Now, I don't PvP, so I can't say whether or not you spam skills or normal attacks during open PvP / TW. And for PvE, bow DPS is fairly meaningless.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    In TW, archers with sub-par gear should use mostly normal attacks because they should be attacking robes (such as clerics). Otherwise they waste their time and become a waste of a spot in the instance.

    Better DPH is good for a better Barrage, but again, with 12k avg base damage you wouldn't do a lot of damage with Barrage anyway.
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  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    No one is talking shiet, if you call that talking shiet then maybe you're too sensitive and should stay off forums.

    Both of these builds you linked are terrible. The second link wasn't even Dy's build, do it right if you want people to compare. I like that 0.77/s attack speed. The funny thing is that Dy's link has similar DPS with your high dex build because of its better attack speed. This is even considering the fact that Dy's link has +5 bow while yours have +7. Dy's build also has 9k hp buffed, which is somewhat more respectable.

    Since the build in question is already limited in budget, attack speed plays somewhat more of a factor because you'd probably spend more time using normal attacks. The opening post states that the poster has the rep for R8 as well as 100+m, so decent gear such as a good helm and Lunar cape is certainly affordable. In addition, since +7 is basically achievable with mirages, everything should be +7. Lols at needing officers to refine.


    Dude archers are NOT DPS. STICK THAT IN YOUR ******N HEAD.

    There are no situations where u should fire more than 3-4 arrows on one target.

    If u do pew pew APS go uninstall pls

    And btw who the ** is Dy. Dat build is broken it does not work.

    +1 @ElenaCostel build
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    ineye11 wrote: »
    Dude archers are NOT DPS. STICK THAT IN YOUR ******N HEAD.

    There are no situations where u should fire more than 3-4 arrows on one target.

    If u do pew pew APS go uninstall pls

    And btw who the ** is Dy. Dat build is broken it does not work.

    +1 @ElenaCostel build

    +1. Archer is DPH build. This is why pro archers spam level 11 DoT skills for beter DPH still DPS is neglectable. It's also why sage BoA is as good as demon BoA since DPS does not matter. Oh and sage QS > demon QS since their damages are identical but sage gives chi allowing you to sage spark for more DPH.
  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    ineye11 wrote: »
    Dude archers are NOT DPS. STICK THAT IN YOUR ******N HEAD.

    There are no situations where u should fire more than 3-4 arrows on one target.

    If u do pew pew APS go uninstall pls

    And btw who the ** is Dy. Dat build is broken it does not work.

    +1 @ElenaCostel build

    If aps is terrible, get nirvana xbow. Higher DPH. b:cute
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Dylena - Raging Tide wrote: »
    If aps is terrible, get nirvana xbow. Higher DPH. b:cute

    TT100, get +2m range as well.
  • I_Snipe - Lost City
    I_Snipe - Lost City Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    ineye11 wrote: »
    Dude archers are NOT DPS. STICK THAT IN YOUR ******N HEAD.

    Go fap to this. http://pwcalc.com/39c0206d010ffe7d

    In the mean time, I'll stick to my traditional 4 Dex/1 Str build.

    OP, try to follow Dylena's build. It's reasonably good considering your budget.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Before you can get 100 attack levels, archers are mostly about DPS.
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  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Fap fap fap fap fap .....

    Fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap ... oooh

    b:cute
  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    +1. Archer is DPH build. This is why pro archers spam level 11 DoT skills for beter DPH still DPS is neglectable. It's also why sage BoA is as good as demon BoA since DPS does not matter. Oh and sage QS > demon QS since their damages are identical but sage gives chi allowing you to sage spark for more DPH.

    Fap fap fap fap fap fap .... fap fap fap fap ooooh

    b:cute

    Agree with 99% of what u say. U only forget demon stun.

    So trash and try again
  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Before you can get 100 attack levels, archers are mostly about DPS.

    Fap fap fap fap fap ... oooooh

    b:dirty

    U must be rite bro

    Meanwhile are u workin for Wikipedia ?

    b:cute
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    ineye11 wrote: »
    Fap fap fap fap fap ... oooooh

    b:dirty

    U must be rite bro

    Meanwhile are u workin for Wikipedia ?

    b:cute

    Who are you anyway? Your core only says you have a level 61 barb >.>

    should you really be in this subforum giving bad advice?

    Or are you an undecided troll?
  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Fap fap fap fap fap b:pleased

    http://pwcalc.com/5467b1687ab3f65e

    Fap fap fap fap fap b:dirty

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