Would it work?

_Perses_ - Lost City

http://pwcalc.com/8e7c6a71515fd2fa

It's only self buffed (Demon bell, w/o the 15 second bonus of 15% p.def, demon fist and demon axe), you think it would last long enough in TW or open PvP (with r8 recast axe...or a +7 r8 axe)?


It's kinda something I stumbled on after I started to think towards the r8 armor recast possbilities with -interval on certain gear pieces.

Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide

Well I think it would work, it has good pdef and good mdef for self buff. But I would look into full r8 since there is no requirement on any of the armor. You could put the extra stat points into something else. Now I understand the set bonus and the already having -int on certain parts of armor, but we are just playing around right? Just a random post, feel free to troll it.

_Perses_ - Lost City

Well I was considering to use it as a alternative to full r9 (Cheaper alternative >.>), so I was curious with it standing as it was if it would be able to last in a TW or open PvP situation. Plus been kinda playing around with the refines on it for a little while now and finally figured out a way to break the 25k hp wall with it w/o doing full +12 on everything, so I do like the armor


also with full buffs it would look like so: http://pwcalc.com/d8b8267cb4cf58d2

Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide

Well if getting the -int on the r8 besides the chest wasn't such a pain then I would say go full r8. That set up is very close to the m/p def as I have and 25k hp is always nice. The only problem you will really have is r9 but you knew that already. I would say go for that build and try to work for full r8 since recast is much better than 2nd cast nirvana gear. To save some cost don't +11 the armor. But I am speaking form a sage almost pure axe build so I gave up aps a while ago. There is a lot of potential with r8 but it's not that easy to get. Happy hunting.

ineye11

NO b:shocked

Maelael - Heavens Tear

You have a 6.6% base damage increase over my not-updated build in my siggy (I matched some refines and a ring, we have the same weapons). My build has 14 more Attack levels, leaving us with 7.4% difference.

You have a 22.7% HP increase over it as well.

Your build has much better survivability, but costs roughly 2.5x more+, depending on how many sockets come out in your nirvvy and how many rerolls on the chest. Mind you I'm ignoring the price of refines.

I think you're looking in the area of 1b+ to build just the armor, helm, and cape. If I was to think statistically with the chestpiece, I think you're reaching about 1.2b+. If you got statistically decent luck on nirvvy sockets, you'd be looking at 160m+ per each of the 5 parts.

So lets say conservatively 2b coins. Thats like 1333 Gold @ 1.5m a gold. Full R9 is 1513. You're most likely gonna spend more than 200m on recasting.

I think I spent about 800mish for mine. And I'm fairly sure you'll get destroyed just as fast as I do in PvP with my -int build. 4k hp, 1k Mag Res, and 3k Phys Def is neat, But I was getting nailed just as hard buffed or not for about two hours on Saturday.

So rough opinion: Hell no if my math estimates are correct. You're practically at unsharded R9 at that price - and I didn't count the price of refines in that price either.

_Perses_ - Lost City

Maelael: Lol, a little too late. Already decided to go ahead with the build.

Obtained the r8 recast chest a the other day after I dropped $50 on getting all the mats, with the reforge price (damn 10 mil...coulda bought other mats for rerolls <, but meh).

As for the NV Armor, if you take a look at the first link under my signature picture you will see my current build. As of right now I can already access the 5.0 +10 squads and have no issues farming cannies, add in soon i'll have a 100 caster that I can also use to farm cannies. It won't be too long for me to get the boots, wrist, and cape for my build (already have the helm and pants because of APS + the set bonus).


The only issue i'll have is with the refining and shards, other than that though it'll be pretty easy for me to get it all.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Damn.

Well the chestpiece and if you go recast boots, it's really swanky in combination with Nirvvy G15s or Recast R8 fists.

If you haven't gone too much further than what you've outlined above, I'd highly suggest shooting for R9.

HOWEVER - I'm kinda weirded out you went for the chestpiece over the Pan Gu - seems like a better first goal?

Of note, I did complete my R9 (about 3 weeks of busting my *** merching, I think my record now is turning over 7 WTLGs...). The massive, and I mean MASSIVE difference of damage with R9 weapon is extremely noticeable. FF and RB has kinda become a joke now. And thats just sitting on +10 unsharded Axe and the belt alone.

Edit: Keep me updated on how your re-rolling goes. After I finish R9 I'm working on Recast R8 Boots and Chest myself, I'm curious to know how many rerolls you end up going through. I still can't decide on R8 Recast Pole though, adv purge on pole seems sexy.

_Perses_ - Lost City

Well as of currently, i'm gathering mats for a 100 re-roll trys in a row to get a double -.05 (if not better) on the chest.

And while I did think of the pan gu, I also thouht of the actual cost of it with rl cash and I saw the r8 chest as a easier and quicker to get method. Not to say I won't get the pan gu (as it is needed for my build to be 5.0, unless I get a triple -.05 during rerolls), but right this second the r8 recast was easier.

As for the r8 fist, I really am wishing that now I had went and gotten them but ohwell, I had went ahead with the r8 axe so now I am just going to recast it (probably gonna cost me $70 cause the ore it needs is so damn pricy >_>) and see if I can get a GoF with some nice +phys attk or +attk lvl on it.


But as for the r9 items...I really have thought long and hard about it, and I really don't see the point in making the game any easier than it already is for my BM (I mean I solo pretty much everything in this game as is, and I only have 7.6k hp ), I mean I personally enjoy the challenge of the game (what is left...) and I really don't want to make it any "Easier" (Hell it's the reason i'm avoiding my sin cause of it's "easy"'ness >_>).

TheDan - Sanctuary

Not worth it imo. I went with a similar build with +12 G15 fists and +10 G15 Axes that cost me 2B and they're now all pretty much sitting in the bank now because it was "cheaper," but in the end I wasted 2B AND still went R9 after, cause without enough attack level, PvP against R9 is *** as hell.

I remember only hitting a non jaded +10 R9 psy for only 2K with my G15 axes, then I started hitting 7K with an unrefined R9 without trouble.

If you're going to want to be successful in PvP end-game, don't hesitate to save up to go for the best gear; don't do it just cause it's cheaper, especially if it's bound.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

R8 mats must be insanely cheaper on your server then Perses. Cause it costs insanely more to do rerolls to try for double int than it would to just get a pan gu.

Cause last I checked it was 7m+ a reroll, and you're looking at least 32? rerolls for a single -int...224m+. And that was calculations at 5pm server time yesterday.

And ofc now that Im thinking about that, I just did the math for the -int boots. I'm better off selling the Trial mats Im saving now and buying them at 1/5th the price when the server finally floods.

But yea, R9 axes alone does make the game "Easier" for sure. If only my other toons weren't so boring...

_Perses_ - Lost City

Yeah, majority of the mats are dirt *** cheap b:chuckle.

I mean I bought all 999 of the memorial coins for under 30k, then the round shield medal was at like 75k (or less) for each of the 200, the only expensive part was the platinum ore (which if I had bothered to look around I would of found to 800k less for my first 5 =.=), which was 2 mil for the first 5 and 1.2 mil for the last 4. Add in the 10 mil for the recast cost and that came to total of $50 USD. Which I was amazed it did, the re-rolls though will probably take a nice chunk from my money, but it'll be worth it. (Gonna need 9,000 Memorial Coin, 2,000 Round Shield Medal, and waaay to many of the damn ore >.<....and ore is the most expensive part at 10-12 mil each ....Might just farm this one, but I have to check out how many I need first)


and lol, dude go for it if you want. I personally am really looking forward to actually have a goal to get in this game once more as I haven't had one for so long that I forgot what it was like xD

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

I like the build, but agree with TheDan. It looks like you want to spend almost as much as R9 to be different but still second best. It is a more versatile build, though, and there are some things I like some things I don't.

Pro: No need to change gear when changing weapons (r9 to aps gear) and so you can focus on refining and sharding 1 setup.
Con: It lacks atk and defense levels. Something R9 would give, specifically the axe so you can be both offensive and defensive. A second piece of R9 and you would gain the +10 defense lvl R9 bonus, but lose the 5 piece Vana bonus. You may as well then drop to 2 pieces Vana, but then you start to lose your easy switch to aps. Go 3 piece R9 armor with your axe being 4th piece so you get +10 atk levels when you equip it?

Pro: I actually like the TT vana here. My argument against TT is it doesn't makeup the defense difference that lunar gives with its 4% armor value increase, but with the highly refined magic ornies x 2, it does. And it works better than Lunar if you get debuffed.
Con: It does't "grow" really well with buffs. And when magic marrowed it is on the skinny side for physical defense. So you may have issues with melee. Again, back to defense levels because that helps with both pdef and mdef, even more so when marrowed when one of them is weaker.

Pro: Good hp, Good mdef.
Con: Noticed the +240 vitality you have in shards. Removing those drops your mdef and pdef around 1200 defense and 4k hp. For almost three times the price you can get JoSD and have better survivability. Up to you.

Consider 2 piece (+1200hp) or 3 piece R8 bonus (15% mdef reduction). Also consider 3 pieces of R9 and 4th piece being the axe.

Its a good build, I just don't think its "the best" and like TheDan said, I can see you sinking millions to billions of coin getting there and realizing its not amazing and you want something else.

TheDan - Sanctuary

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I like the build, but agree with TheDan. It looks like you want to spend almost as much as R9 to be different but still second best. It is a more versatile build, though, and there are some things I like some things I don't.

Pro: No need to change gear when changing weapons (r9 to aps gear) and so you can focus on refining and sharding 1 setup.
Con: It lacks atk and defense levels. Something R9 would give, specifically the axe so you can be both offensive and defensive. A second piece of R9 and you would gain the +10 defense lvl R9 bonus, but lose the 5 piece Vana bonus. You may as well then drop to 2 pieces Vana, but then you start to lose your easy switch to aps. Go 3 piece R9 armor with your axe being 4th piece so you get +10 atk levels when you equip it?

Pro: I actually like the TT vana here. My argument against TT is it doesn't makeup the defense difference that lunar gives with its 4% armor value increase, but with the highly refined magic ornies x 2, it does. And it works better than Lunar if you get debuffed.
Con: It does't "grow" really well with buffs. And when magic marrowed it is on the skinny side for physical defense. So you may have issues with melee. Again, back to defense levels because that helps with both pdef and mdef, even more so when marrowed when one of them is weaker.

Pro: Good hp, Good mdef.
Con: Noticed the +240 vitality you have in shards. Removing those drops your mdef and pdef around 1200 defense and 4k hp. For almost three times the price you can get JoSD and have better survivability. Up to you.

Consider 2 piece (+1200hp) or 3 piece R8 bonus (15% mdef reduction). Also consider 3 pieces of R9 and 4th piece being the axe.

Its a good build, I just don't think its "the best" and like TheDan said, I can see you sinking millions to billions of coin getting there and realizing its not amazing and you want something else.

This is pretty in-depth; I couldn't have said it better myself. I don't know the prices over there on Lost City, but pretty much the re-rolling and stuff would probably make the cost just as much as the R9 gears, and the results may not necessarily be worth the trouble. nor the cost. The set bonuses just lack the attack/def level.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

_Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »

Yeah, majority of the mats are dirt *** cheap b:chuckle.

Yea it was the ore that takes the bulk of the recast money. And farming...not possible unless you have a charitable faction. It would be faster to sell heads.


"but with the highly refined magic ornies x 2, it does"

Saku, I noticed the same thing too when I worked on my wife's gear (there is 2 posts in the Seeker forums about it - mostly about how R8 Seeker Armor blows). It takes +7 plus to outshine Lunar.

_Perses_ - Lost City

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I like the build, but agree with TheDan. It looks like you want to spend almost as much as R9 to be different but still second best. It is a more versatile build, though, and there are some things I like some things I don't.

Pro: No need to change gear when changing weapons (r9 to aps gear) and so you can focus on refining and sharding 1 setup.
Con: It lacks atk and defense levels. Something R9 would give, specifically the axe so you can be both offensive and defensive. A second piece of R9 and you would gain the +10 defense lvl R9 bonus, but lose the 5 piece Vana bonus. You may as well then drop to 2 pieces Vana, but then you start to lose your easy switch to aps. Go 3 piece R9 armor with your axe being 4th piece so you get +10 atk levels when you equip it?

Pro: I actually like the TT vana here. My argument against TT is it doesn't makeup the defense difference that lunar gives with its 4% armor value increase, but with the highly refined magic ornies x 2, it does. And it works better than Lunar if you get debuffed.
Con: It does't "grow" really well with buffs. And when magic marrowed it is on the skinny side for physical defense. So you may have issues with melee. Again, back to defense levels because that helps with both pdef and mdef, even more so when marrowed when one of them is weaker.

Pro: Good hp, Good mdef.
Con: Noticed the +240 vitality you have in shards. Removing those drops your mdef and pdef around 1200 defense and 4k hp. For almost three times the price you can get JoSD and have better survivability. Up to you.

Consider 2 piece (+1200hp) or 3 piece R8 bonus (15% mdef reduction). Also consider 3 pieces of R9 and 4th piece being the axe.

Its a good build, I just don't think its "the best" and like TheDan said, I can see you sinking millions to billions of coin getting there and realizing its not amazing and you want something else.

I do thank you for the input Saku, but as I had previously stated I actually prefer a challenge in this game compared to a lot of the players (it's the only thing that keeps me here....I keep trying to find new challenges, new things that will make me go "WTF O_O", and it's becoming harder and harder :X.....)

But I am tired of thinking about r9 and looking at it, then thinking what it would be like to get it. As for me to get it with my current pay income would be near impossible (I think PWI would shut-down before I would be able to even buy the ring....) so I am looking at this build to be basically my final gear, my final advancement in this game, my end-game, no switching, gear. So while I may have issues with r9's (I mean personally i've always had issues with them, this gear does give me a bit less issue (thank god)) I am willing to go out of my way to obtain this build. (I mean if you ever saw my original BM's posts (LifeHunting - Heaven's Tear) you would see how stubborn I can get when it comes to some builds I set my mind too x3)

Northern - Dreamweaver

flat out it is not so hard to farm. The easiest way is to have all your alts also in factions that have bases. If you are following the rules an only have two accounts and only focus on a main and an alt in three factions..two of the factions can be mediocre factions who only do first trials 1-8 and pick a good faction for the third. You can easily get many trials done with out all that much effort. Lots of the trials can be done half afk.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Northern - Dreamweaver wrote: »

flat out it is not so hard to farm. The easiest way is to have all your alts also in factions that have bases. If you are following the rules an only have two accounts and only focus on a main and an alt in three factions..two of the factions can be mediocre factions who only do first trials 1-8 and pick a good faction for the third. You can easily get many trials done with out all that much effort. Lots of the trials can be done half afk.

Outta the 50 or so people (20 afk alts? Maybe more sometimes?) like two people typically get something other than coins each completed trial it seems.

Outta the...30? (most likely more...I haven't kept track) Chests I've opened I've gotten all coins.

Edit: I also have the worst luck though. I've been doing BH100 daily (Even Lunar) for two months and seen one coin card return.

Traz - Dreamweaver

1 : 1800 to get 2 -ints on the plate. With the cost and difficulty of mats to acquire to actually give yourself a reasonable chance, you might as well get 1 -int on the plate and head for revenge 2 -ints on G15 claws.

ShadowsFlame - Raging Tide

arent u spending more than what u are gonna spend on r9 to get that -0.1 int on ur plate... i dont get people trying to avoid r9 so with cost as an excuse...

excluding the weapon and belt, i would say its less that 1bil to get the rest of the r9 pieces....which would be the same cost of ur nirvana stuff and r8 recast cost (should be more looking at the -0.1 int? And u get a ring that boosts ur overall dps.... its really big difference...

Perses from most of ur posts in this forum anyone can tell that your a huge fan of r8 recast xD
but facts should stay facts

_Perses_ - Lost City

ShadowsFlame: *Points to first link in signature* 5.0 +10 BM, I can farm the NV gears man b:surrender