Sin Str

DeathenShada - Archosaur

Stupid question but what str should sins stop at? Oh and whats prob the best helm for a sin? ty ty

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

By endgame 105 str with all gear on.

Otherwise your str should be your level+4.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

By endgame 105 str with all gear on.

Otherwise your str should be your level+4.

Well, that's debatable at best.

For one, 105 is only required for Rank 9 armors, which aren't really something sins use too often. Well, maybe in PvP.

For two, some people might want to stick with a Warsoul of Earth, which would put them at 117 after all items but the helm and 122 or 123 after the helm due to the strength bonus.

And please don't tell me that Warsoul of Earth is trash. You do need +12 or better sockets for Ancestral Divine Hat to be superior. And I really cannot phantom how the 23 dexterity and minimal resistances would justify the cost of 60m+, especially since getting a 4 socket Warsoul of Earth is rather easy.

But yes, if you are ignoring the costs and assuming +12 and 4 sockets, then G15 nirvana hats, e.g. Ancestral Divine Hat and Myriad Blossom Helm, are at the top.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

Not only is it more damage and an extra 1% to crit, the helm also provides an extra 5 attack levels with its leg counterpart, which is the other most commonly used nirvy gear.

To me it just fits. WoE is not trash, but for a sin Ancestral should be the choice.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, that's debatable at best.

For one, 105 is only required for Rank 9 armors, which aren't really something sins use too often. Well, maybe in PvP.

For two, some people might want to stick with a Warsoul of Earth, which would put them at 117 after all items but the helm and 122 or 123 after the helm due to the strength bonus.

And please don't tell me that Warsoul of Earth is trash. You do need +12 or better sockets for Ancestral Divine Hat to be superior. And I really cannot phantom how the 23 dexterity and minimal resistances would justify the cost of 60m+, especially since getting a 4 socket Warsoul of Earth is rather easy.

But yes, if you are ignoring the costs and assuming +12 and 4 sockets, then G15 nirvana hats, e.g. Ancestral Divine Hat and Myriad Blossom Helm, are at the top.

104 for Nirvana, 105 for R9 gear (besides weapon), or 117 for Warsoul. As Skai point out thats level + 4 strength with 101 gear being the highest level gear available.

Skai also pointed out the "endgame" requirements. For me Warsoul isn't bad and is great 70-99 but is not endgame because Nirvana gives:
5 attack level set bonus
100 Pdef (compared to 6 str that really is only useful as a multiplier for pdef)
100 magic defense (a very hard stat to find with sin endgame equipment)
10 dex
More hp. Warsoul gives +150 hp as an add, but by +10 Nirvana refines for +178 more hp.

And ultimately 13 more dex because you don't need the 13 more strength points. So 23 dex total.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

More hp. Warsoul gives +150 hp as an add, but by +10 Nirvana refines for +178 more hp

Nice, except that Warsoul of Earth also starts out with 125 more HP. So that's +1530 for Warsoul and +1433 for Nirvana at +10. In fact, due to the higher starting life, Warsoul of Earth gives more life until we're talking +12.

And personally I really cannot see how exactly 100 Pdef/Mdef and 23 Dexterity at best would justify the helm costing upwards of 60m. Of course, if you already have everything else or we're talking without any kind of budget, it's a good move. Or if you manage to farm the helm.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

Oh by endgame you'd want to have 104/105 str with gear on, but I see WoE as a good 70 to whenever you get your Ancestral Divine Hat/Myriad Blossom Helm. By no means should the Ancestral Divine helm be a priority in terms of gear to get.

The extra boost, as well as the 5 attack levels, justifies it in my opinion.