R9 daggers or g15 for pvp?

Dinya - Sanctuary · January 2012

Hello everyone i need an advice, i'm thinking to pvp and i don't know what should i do? I have G15 +10 refine (0.05/ss/+19str) 1socket 5aps sparked.

Or better i sell and save to get r9 (ring+daggers) only.

If someone can give good answer i'll be happy.
Thanks in advance.

ZackMystic - Harshlands · January 2012

From what ive heard r9 daggers really just dont have the aps to compete with g15 daggers

Daemon_Imp - Lost City · January 2012

while r9 daggers dont have the aps g15 could have, dps comparisons in pve with the best g15 adds are close enough that the difference is negligible

also, r9 is g16/has higher dph. Teh best sins on the server nowadays are full r9 caster gears (and mostly sage, with that retardedly op sage tidal)

_Perses_ - Lost City · January 2012

Truthfully said Zack, the r9 daggers max out at 4.0 (with all aps gear and demon spark), which is enough to get you perma-sparked (especially on a sin). The main difference is the GoF and Attk lvl +30 on the weapon.

The GoF and that Attk lvl bonus (plus a jones, means your sitting at 60 w/o chill and with chill you could be sitting at 90, at the cost of aps of course) makes the r9 daggers a very lethal fighting force because the crits it can achieve will heal the majority of sins back to full hp in one go. (I've had screenshots on guild forums from a sin with r9 daggers that nailed a [?] in a 3-2 run for well over 500k with only tangling mire and extreme poison.

Dinya - Sanctuary · January 2012

Hmmmm impressive i think i'm gonna get r9 next sale
It must be kool to get high dph
I don't have much interest on farming
I'm really startin' to be lazy again...
I like to be 5aps but i wanna try how it goes with 4aps r9

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · January 2012

@Zack In terms of APS, G15 wins because it can have those adds. In terms of DPS, R9 more or less dominates everything.

You've seen my videos Dinya, or at least I hope you did. If you didn't, just check out my videos on this thread if you want to see how a 4 APS R9+12 sin goes about damages.

I've been using R9 for quite a while now, and I've gotten used to the 4 aps.

Dinya - Sanctuary · January 2012

Lol yeah i saw ur videos! I really like them all
Hmmm
It doesn't change much to go 5aps to 4aps?
And survavibility with bosses it's the same? Or better?

Traz - Dreamweaver · January 2012

I'm still getting used to the 3.33 aps on my sage sin when i'm on it. Good thing is i'll be pretty well adjusted to lower aps if my sin gets r9 @ 4.0 b:victory

but all in all (unless you get a damn lucky roll straight off) r9 will win in pretty much every situation but chi building.

Dinya - Sanctuary · January 2012

I used to be 5aps lol i really need practice 4aps
I might get some train with my old r8 b:chuckle

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands · January 2012

ZackMystic - Harshlands wrote: »

From what ive heard r9 daggers really just dont have the aps to compete with g15 daggers

*facedesk* unless yout g15 has unrealisticly awesome adds like this
http://pwcalc.com/2119ab62af2f8b14
r9 wins everytime otherwise

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands · January 2012

Dinya - Sanctuary wrote: »

5aps

i used to be 5 aps like you then i took an arrow to the knee

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · January 2012

I had a feeling someone was going to pull an arrow joke lol

And no, it doesn't change much from 5 to 4 APS. You'll just notice a slightly less chi gain than usual. Some people don't time their sparks right though.

Most of the time I time my sparks on bosses, I'm able to get back to ~375 chi before I spark again. Most of the time you'll end up with ~350 after a triple spark with 4 APS. If you decide to IH to PD or SS then AA, then you'll end up with around 305 chi before the spark ends.

If you get stunned or sealed while sparking to auto attack bosses, the best thing to do is to attack until your spark ends, then TS or RDS to get back enough chi to spark again.

As Empu/Olbaze stated, it's easy to permaspark with a sin at a relatively low APS because of the sin's insane chi-gaining skills, so R9 4 APS will have no difference IMO. Just a **** load more damage.

Empu - Sanctuary · January 2012

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

As Empu/Olbaze stated, it's easy to permaspark with a sin at a relatively low APS because of the sin's insane chi-gaining skills, so R9 4 APS will have no difference IMO. Just a **** load more damage.

So pro, I reply before even seeing the thread b:cool

Just 1 thing, you already have G15 at +10. So yeah, r9 will do more damage, but you are already in the top. Is it really worth it for you to spend so much (ring + weap + refines + shards) just for a pvp weapon and have your damage go from damn good to epic ? Maybe you intend to sell your current daggers (if I recall correctly, you have the lunar nirvana's) ?

I don't have the answers for you, but keep in mind that that you already have a lot of damage. Even with r9 you won't 1 shot bosses.

Ladyhellcatq - Dreamweaver · January 2012

As I understand sin pvp, you are not really trying to use aps much, but the daggers you have are absolutely good enough that it isnt like your going to fail killing someone an then be like , wow if only i had had rank 9 i would have won . Having said that, I believe rank 9 with full dot, chill, and frenzy is pretty much the picture of what you don't want to have hitting you coming out of stealth.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · January 2012

@Empu XD I meant "As Empu/Olbaze stated in other threads before", but otherwise what I said is true.

And if you already have G15 +10s, I'd stick with getting those to +12 and rolling until you get decent adds. Then get R9 ring for the boosts it has.

Empu - Sanctuary · January 2012

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

@Empu XD I meant "As Empu/Olbaze stated in other threads before", but otherwise what I said is true.

And me thinking I had a groupie b:cry b:surrender

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

And if you already have G15 +10s, I'd stick with getting those to +12 and rolling until you get decent adds. Then get R9 ring for the boosts it has.

Yeah that is pretty much what I also think, except that I think she has tradeable version... which could make a difference.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · January 2012

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

And me thinking I had a groupie b:cry b:surrender

Groupies b:dirty

Yeah that is pretty much what I also think, except that I think she has tradeable version... which could make a difference.

While this is true, unless she got remarkable adds her first roll, she'll get such a low return of coin for her daggers. She'll be losing a LOT in the process if she does go to sell her daggers. Even if it's 2 sockets, unless she's extremely lucky, she probably used Chienkuns for that. Then +10ing and sharding loses a lot of value once done.

But, if you have the coin to get +10-+12 R9 daggers after you sell your daggers, then more power to you.

demxhunter · January 2012

G15 is better than r9 wep not recasted...please make both weapons+12 on pwcalc.com

Dinya - Sanctuary · January 2012

Hmm yeah i do great damage compared to my old r8 +8 2perf garnet
But i still can't 1 spark bosses in fcc lol..,
With full dex/37% crit
And i would do it
Getting some objectives since i haven't lot of things to do except bh/duels
And i always would get the r9 one it's just they're UBBER expansive!
That's why i got g15 netherland bcuz they're not bind
And i really don't want waste 500m+ daggers for get another pairs.... That cost 1billion...

Pytharia - Lost City · January 2012

are you the one selling them in a cat shop in arch for 650m?

Dinya - Sanctuary · January 2012

Hmmm yes but i'm saving them for a friend for 550m so i removed them from my catshop
He have g15 (ss/+130 max att/+106max attack) netherland too but he's afraid to waste 100raps+ for failed stats.
He's gonna sell them for get mine.

But i got another friend he wanna help a lot, like this i get fast r9
But he want my g15 free. He's really a nice guy and i appreciate him.

Hmm lol i don't know what should i do?

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · January 2012

demxhunter wrote: »

G15 is better than r9 wep not recasted...please make both weapons+12 on pwcalc.com

R9+12: 1510-1909 dmg, GoF, +30 atk levels, +10-11 dex.
G15+12: 1472-1815 dmg, random.

What you said is just too much of a blanket statement since it all depends on the G15 random stats. Meanwhile, R9 is guaranteed to have some beasts of stats between GoF and +30 atk levels. G15 actually refines better but R9 has a higher base dmg. So yes, G15 can do more dmg than Rank 9 it just takes optimum adds and the "standard" G15s won't out DD Rank 9.

I went G15 for the 5.0. I get about the same damage output as R9 but better chi growth and some wiggle room in using other skills like rib strike without falling short of a triple spark. It sounds weird but getting a paint heal every .2 seconds instead of .25 makes a survivability difference when you get hp .05 seconds earlier, lol. Also, R9 relys on a self damage skill to equal or pass the damage of G15 which is fine in pk (even a good thing) but can be fatal at 5.0 on the wrong boss so the possibility of needing less sac strikes to get about the same damage and have better survivability apealed to me.

R9 for PvP. The attack levels will nullify your opponents defense levels and help cut through them and the 40%+ crit rate combined with GoF helps blowup people in no time, even unsparked. DpH seems to matter more in PvP which the R9 is great at. It has great dps as well. Even if you roll great G15 adds they'll not average out to the same dph as R9, but the G15s can end up with better dps which is good for PvE.

R9 daggers or g15 for pvp?

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