what are your thoughts

Blows - Dreamweaver
Blows - Dreamweaver Posts: 57 Arc User
edited January 2012 in Blademaster
I just recently got R9 axes an was wondering if i should reset to full strength just to really see how much damage i can really deal with axes... If i reset i would be at like 541 str an 100 dex.. has anyone ever tried going full str if so cab please tell me how is it before i reset thanks
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  • Divine_Death - Harshlands
    Divine_Death - Harshlands Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I zerk crit a Sin for 19.8k today being VIT build. No point having that many STR if you miss half the time.
  • Blows - Dreamweaver
    Blows - Dreamweaver Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Divine_Death - Harshlands wrote: »
    I zerk crit a Sin for 19.8k today being VIT build. No point having that many STR if you miss half the time.

    lol i was thinking the same thing but jus wan se how it hots with that much str..btw was tha sin like r9 +10 ornns an other stuff
  • Hattori_ - Archosaur
    Hattori_ - Archosaur Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I would keep about 200 dex for fists/claws...you dont want to lose you aps ;]
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I wouldn't go full str build unless I had full set of R9. Get that first, refine like crazy, then restat to pure axe build. Pure str full R9 build with high HP lots of attack and some defense levels would be brutal.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I'd suggest calcing out your build because I assume if you pull out 100 or so dex and put it into strength you're going to try and compensate by either amber sharding the axe or changing your rings or other gear to try and pick up a little more accuracy. In exchange you'd be losing garnet shards or rings with better+phys attack adds, so you really wouldn't gain much.
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  • Divine_Death - Harshlands
    Divine_Death - Harshlands Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    I wouldn't go full str build unless I had full set of R9. Get that first, refine like crazy, then restat to pure axe build. Pure str full R9 build with high HP lots of attack and some defense levels would be brutal.

    I'm sticking with 200 DEX because I'd like keep able to Bolt with my TT100. Yeah I can always use lower fists for the same control, but the damage on AA is nice with +10 fists.

    I'm too lazy even to finish my BM. Full R9 +10 with **** shards is meh enough, consider TW is pretty much dying back down again. I'll still have to decide between get my tome and go full (outside of 200 DEX) VIT or STR down to the last point.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Divine_Death - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm sticking with 200 DEX because I'd like keep able to Bolt with my TT100. Yeah I can always use lower fists for the same control, but the damage on AA is nice with +10 fists.

    I'm too lazy even to finish my BM. Full R9 +10 with **** shards is meh enough, consider TW is pretty much dying back down again. I'll still have to decide between get my tome and go full (outside of 200 DEX) VIT or STR down to the last point.

    I haven't restat my dex yet, but I'm really on the fence about it.

    Bolt in TW is absolutely amazing. I would miss that.

    And yeah, I gave up after I got my R9 axes.

    BM isn't as dead of a class as it was before packs, but with all the R9 sins out there, we're pretty much a support class again anyway.
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  • Blows - Dreamweaver
    Blows - Dreamweaver Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'd suggest calcing out your build because I assume if you pull out 100 or so dex and put it into strength you're going to try and compensate by either amber sharding the axe or changing your rings or other gear to try and pick up a little more accuracy. In exchange you'd be losing garnet shards or rings with better+phys attack adds, so you really wouldn't gain much.

    Yea i was thinking about sharding with tha +300 amber gems an use 2 lunar might rings... Just really curious of how much damage i can do on full str
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    If you are willing to waste a reset to go pure strength and then back to fist/axe for the lols, go for it. Its your game, your coin, and might add fun.

    Another bit of discouragement, though. Remember, strength has almost nothing to do with sparked damage. When you triple spark only your weapons damage gets multipled, your strength already being factored in from your regular attack. Say you do 10k normal, 25k triple spark a 15k difference. Restatting to pure strength might take your normal up to (lets say) 15k, but your triple spark will still be 30k, a 15k difference.
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  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If you are willing to waste a reset to go pure strength and then back to fist/axe for the lols, go for it. Its your game, your coin, and might add fun.

    Another bit of discouragement, though. Remember, strength has almost nothing to do with sparked damage. When you triple spark only your weapons damage gets multipled, your strength already being factored in from your regular attack. Say you do 10k normal, 25k triple spark a 15k difference. Restatting to pure strength might take your normal up to (lets say) 15k, but your triple spark will still be 30k, a 15k difference.

    Maybe I'm just being slow tonight or something but using your hypothetical example... you just pointed out that statting your extra points into strength increased both your normal and sparked damage by 5k. Nothing discouraging about that.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Another bit of discouragement, though. Remember, strength has almost nothing to do with sparked damage. When you triple spark only your weapons damage gets multipled, your strength already being factored in from your regular attack. Say you do 10k normal, 25k triple spark a 15k difference. Restatting to pure strength might take your normal up to (lets say) 15k, but your triple spark will still be 30k, a 15k difference.

    But zerk and crit's are affected by strength, so in PvP and TW it would make a difference.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Maybe I'm just being slow tonight or something but using your hypothetical example... you just pointed out that statting your extra points into strength increased both your normal and sparked damage by 5k. Nothing discouraging about that.

    It increased your normal dmg. Spark damage multiplies your weapon damage (which strength doesn't affect) and then adds it to your normal unsparked damage. Note in my example the difference between sparked and regular damage is the same despite your strength amount, its just the normal damage that was increasing.

    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    But zerk and crit's are affected by strength, so in PvP and TW it would make a difference.

    Fair enough, although you'd be lowering your chance to crit, and therefore lowering your chance to zerk crit. Accuracy also makes a difference in damage when you miss, lol. It can mean you miss a stun and get killed. Although with 2 x +50% accuracy rings its not a huge issue even on archers and sins but... I dunno, I like the 200 dex benchmark. It gives a higher crit rate, higher accuracy and a good base accuracy for those rings to multiply. Of course you can use base buffs, accuracy shards, or runes to increase accuracy, too.

    I would say the 200 dex mark is the best for pk and pve, but I think the OP is looking less for what is "best" and just trying to see some cool spike dmg for fun which is fine.
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  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It increased your normal dmg. Spark damage multiplies your weapon damage (which strength doesn't affect) and then adds it to your normal unsparked damage. Note in my example the difference between sparked and regular damage is the same despite your strength amount, its just the normal damage that was increasing.

    OK... I follow now. Not that I was ever contemplating reducing my dex from the 200 cap anyway but its food for thought for my Seeker since (now that I've got him to 100) I'm still playing around with his dex vs strength stats. ;)
  • Blows - Dreamweaver
    Blows - Dreamweaver Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    OK... I follow now. Not that I was ever contemplating reducing my dex from the 200 cap anyway but its food for thought for my Seeker since (now that I've got him to 100) I'm still playing around with his dex vs strength stats. ;)

    what do tiy think about a dex Bm enogh str to use r9 axes an rest on dex???
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Blows - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    what do tiy think about a dex Bm enogh str to use r9 axes an rest on dex???

    Why bother when the decent EG rings have 50% accuracy bonus on them anyway.
  • Blows - Dreamweaver
    Blows - Dreamweaver Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    Why bother when the decent EG rings have 50% accuracy bonus on them anyway.

    for mmore crits
  • Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide
    Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I am full r9 +12, with 100 dex just to use r8 pole and crappy fists. Im not fully sharded yet but I am going with g12 ambers to make up for the low accuracy. For 1 v 1 archers and sins are hard for me due to their high dex and my low accuracy. I find that in mass pk or TW that isnt so much of a problem since I have support. I just pick the hardest target to kill and just drop aoes. No close range class can get close and I have the help of the squad to help with ranged people. With lvl11 barb buff I have 30k hp so surviablitiy isnt a problem. Even full r9 AA classes I can usualy drop in 3 hits and I have just enough strength to use the r9 axes. Instances arent much of a problem excep for bosses since im no longer aps. But other than that I like being just about full axe, I dont miss aps at all.

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