Can seekers farm?

GloomySunday - Dreamweaver

I know most of classes can farm something more or less but the deference between a nirvy sin and a poor wizzy is huge in money making terms.

So the question is a normal seeker (r8 and this kind of stuff probly) what he can farm? Any suggestions and ideas are wealcome.

Also what be solo farmed and what require sq

Thx ppl

ReMakaBo - Archosaur

I farm pixel panties

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

i have never farmed on seeker :x

TolanSky - Heavens Tear

ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »

I farm pixel panties

that was unnecessary.

As to answer the OP's question. Seeker can indeed farm in various places. Though I rarely hear of them being asked to Regular Nirvana. However they are often invited to Caster Nirvana for the purpose of providing their relatively powerful Debuff's (in the form of Heartshatter, Mindshatter, and Soulshatter) against various mobs in the dungeon. Though they have relatively little use otherwise unless there is a special debuff or buff or whatever it is that allows the Seeker's melee attacks to count as magic attacks for the purpose of damaging the bosses in Caster Nirvana who are normally immune to physical damage.

Other places that are ideal for farming for seeker include Rebirth-Delta, Forgotten Frostlands (though this is kind of iffy), The area's outside of Thousand Streams, Heaven and Hell, and even some lower level instances (BH's 19 - 51) all of which can be soloed by a smart Seeker (with the exception of Rebirth which really can't be soloed).

Cytte - Harshlands

TolanSky - Heavens Tear wrote: »

that was unnecessary.

As to answer the OP's question. Seeker can indeed farm in various places. Though I rarely hear of them being asked to Regular Nirvana. However they are often invited to Caster Nirvana for the purpose of providing their relatively powerful Debuff's (in the form of Heartshatter, Mindshatter, and Soulshatter) against various mobs in the dungeon. Though they have relatively little use otherwise unless there is a special debuff or buff or whatever it is that allows the Seeker's melee attacks to count as magic attacks for the purpose of damaging the bosses in Caster Nirvana who are normally immune to physical damage.

Other places that are ideal for farming for seeker include Rebirth-Delta, Forgotten Frostlands (though this is kind of iffy), The area's outside of Thousand Streams, Heaven and Hell, and even some lower level instances (BH's 19 - 51) all of which can be soloed by a smart Seeker (with the exception of Rebirth which really can't be soloed).

Wizzie's frostblade and some apoc pots that add elemental damage.


also in regular NV theres this thing seekers can do to Curse (Hf/Amp) then unampable bosses, so if you can convince some friends to take you for that purpose


also you could sell p-lvling services in the PQ pits too.

cevil1

So, to answer OPs question - no, you cannot farm with a seeker.
Nirvana caster groups are rare and you probably won't find one regularly, so that's a little cash income only.
TT you cannot farm unless you have a caster based team, or a team that values your permanent -20def level and -10 atk level debuff on bosses (not likely though).

FC farming - get over it, it's not profitable in any way. Take a month of farming, I'd rather make a sin/bm and do TT1-3 solo in that time, in the end making more profit anyway.

PQ selling - seriously? with the exp reduction, people rather create their own squads with seekers of their own level.


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TolanSky - Heavens Tear

cevil1 wrote: »

So, to answer OPs question - no, you cannot farm with a seeker.

Where the heck did you get this impression?

cevil1 wrote: »

Nirvana caster groups are rare and you probably won't find one regularly, so that's a little cash income only.

So then convince a standard Nirvana group to take you so you can Quid Pro Quo a Heavens Flame on to those bosses that can't otherwise be affected by Heaven's Flame. Or you know just join a Caster Nirvana run by your own Faction if they do those and make money that way.

cevil1 wrote: »

TT you cannot farm unless you have a caster based team, or a team that values your permanent -20def level and -10 atk level debuff on bosses (not likely though).

Uh huh, you do realize Seeker kicks *** in Holy Hall / Twilight Temple. I have done several TT groups on my Seeker and been very effective. Not to mention the fact that Seeker can do the Solo Mode TT/HH very effectively (granted Solo Mode TT/HH is rarely very useful these days thanks to the removal of Fairy Boxes).

cevil1 wrote: »

FC farming - get over it, it's not profitable in any way. Take a month of farming, I'd rather make a sin/bm and do TT1-3 solo in that time, in the end making more profit anyway.

Farming FCC for items would I agree be unprofitable. However Seeker is more than capable of solo'ing FCC for the purpose of power leveling people. That in and of itself is an easy way of making cash. And to top it off Seeker doesn't even need to be 5.0 APS in order to accomplish this feat!

cevil1 wrote: »

PQ selling - seriously? with the exp reduction, people rather create their own squads with seekers of their own level.


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PQ Selling while not my ideal way to Power Level people is still A way to Power level people. Though an expensive way to do so. I would often much rather just Power Level people in the big room if possible.

cevil1

I have no idea which PWI century you are from, but nowadays nobody takes people that don't have 3+ aps into nirvana squads.

Seeker does not kick *** in TT, maybe you were in 1-3? I am talking about TTs that give actual gold, 3-x...
Excluding ability to transfer debuffs, what else is it good for? Why would those APS lovers not take another APS person to make it faster?

Solo with seeker? You know that boss killing sucks for seeker? What's the point if you burn your charm in the end (each boss of course takes time too)...Then you sell heads for what...500k each person? So 2.5m profit, removing charm **** and time you need for it, it's better to go dig herbs in heaven/hell.

Power level in PQ..the only way I see it profitable is if each person pays you 1m. Though look at it this way, they get like 80% less exp. So considering you kill mobs, let's say, 5 times faster (high unlikely unless they are power leveled noobs who have no idea how to zhen), it pays off. But, it pays off for the time, not for the 1m they paid. So still a fail (unless you find noobs who have no idea about their chars).

I don't know if there's any point to discuss further, because if you don't see what I did here, you probably won't see it later on as well

TolanSky - Heavens Tear

Cevil, I am a level 90 Seeker. I would be surprised to learn that someone who hides his own identity on this forum like you do, actually knows more than I do about this class when it comes to farming, making money and other things relating to Seekers. So if you want to prove me wrong by providing a screenshot of your own character and his level (as I won't accept anything less at this point due to you having hidden your character identity from the get go) I would be more than willing to retract what follows:

While I will acknowledge that in Standard Nirvana often times Seeker is not desired, that does not change the fact that they are often times wanted in Caster Nirvana. Which during 2x Drops is just as prominent as if not more prominent than Standard Nirvana these days.

As far as TT runs, I don't know whether Seeker is needed as much in the higher level versions, but since Seeker needs those drops just as much as anyone else, I would hope that they are allowed to accompany people on those runs, seeing as how otherwise it would make it difficult for them to get their TT Armor without having to drop a **** ton of money on the TT Armor.

Finally with regard to FCC, PQ, or what have you. Yes, it does cost money in the form of Charms. However if you are stupid enough to waste a charm by not supporting it either with Herbs and Crab Meat or by bringing along a second character that can heal you (in other words duo'ing it and splitting the cash or bringing your buff monkey to provide support). Then you are either stupid or inefficient. I know of several people in the game who will often duo FCC and split the cash earned when they power level people.

Also should be noted I am not suggesting that a level 90 or lower character try these things as that would be foolish, level 99+ characters have the best odds of surviving when doing these activities.

cevil1

I am from another server of PWI, so I will agree about caster nirvana. However, TT runs is obvious for me - nobody would choose a seeker over a bm or a sin (it is of course more desirable than a wizard, for example). And yes, that is the only way to do FC, to split cash. And by splitting cash, you waste around 30-60mins clearing the FC and getting max 2m out of it. + the time you use to get a team, wait for it to get there, etc. I'd rather dig herbs in hell and earn more.

here is my seeker: http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/17/20120113045005.png

Exiirah - Lost City

Us unloved seekers eh? we'll have our chance to shine eventually.

TolanSky - Heavens Tear

cevil1 wrote: »

here is my seeker: http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/17/20120113045005.png

Your link is a dud. Or at least it won't load on my computer, and my computer loads just about everything that is not down or a forbidden domain.

ItsAWolf - Archosaur

TolanSky - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Your link is a dud. Or at least it won't load on my computer, and my computer loads just about everything that is not down or a forbidden domain.

It's loading for me, it's just a pic of around 1+ MB

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary

With the most AOEs for a melee in the game..of course we can farm..

Exiirah - Lost City wrote: »

Us unloved seekers eh? we'll have our chance to shine eventually.

**** chances. Make yourself shine through those streaming dark clouds.

deathrider35

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary wrote: »

With the most AOEs for a melee in the game..of course we can farm..


**** chances. Make yourself shine through those streaming dark clouds.

Lol, most AOE's? All path bm has 11 AOE's or so while seeker only has around 6.

cevil1

Farm what AOEs ? You fools, bosses drop stuff, not mobs. THAT IS THE MAIN FAIL OF SEEKER!

TolanSky - Heavens Tear

cevil1 wrote: »

Farm what AOEs ? You fools, bosses drop stuff, not mobs. THAT IS THE MAIN FAIL OF SEEKER!

uh huh, what game are you playing? You did notice we just came out of a 2 to 3 month long double drops session did you not? During said session it should be more than possible to make decent money off of even the most mundane of monsters, not even mentioning the bosses in the game. And for the record there are Bosses in the game that Seeker can in fact solo at certain levels with little difficulty.

cevil1

I give up.

Yes, get some charms and go charm that boss in a few hours.

Whatever. Every char in this game can do anything. The problem is time.

TolanSky - Heavens Tear

cevil1 wrote: »

I give up.

Yes, get some charms and go charm that boss in a few hours.

Whatever. Every char in this game can do anything. The problem is time.

So your complaint is that it takes Seekers longer to do something than it does an APS class to do the same or a similar thing? You see that is exactly what I hate about the mentality of the current game... "GO APS OR GO HOME" its a bad state that the game is in where if you are not an APS class you really can't participate in various end game events. Unfortunately for your mentality there are things that a Seeker is particularly good for, Rebirth is just one example, and that particular example is of prime importance right now while there are no double drops to help the APS'ers make money in Nirvana.

So my question is, would you take 5.0 APS'ers who are really only useful against 1 on 1 targets to an RB or other event that requires killing dozens of mobs as quickly as possible, or would you take a Seeker who has probably the single most potent Melee Based Area of Effect skill in the game?

Maws_Candy - Raging Tide

well i will say farming things like delta are fun..... but finding a proper SP squad is difficult at best. its the only way that it seems profitable to me. dont get me wrong, i love my seeker, but her current tankablity and damage are just not enough to be useful for anything else. (TW, TT, soloFC, ect ect ect......) although PQ3 is quite fun with 2 seekers 2 sins bm and cleric...... makes quick work of it b:cute

Mattiks - Dreamweaver

To answer the title question, yes seekers can farm. I spent a ton of time farming and still do, it can be done. The three main things to farm are Delta, Map 3(aka Valley of the Scarred), and Nirvana, at least for me. Delta for obvious reasons, seekers are an incredible AoE DD, and very useful there, so finding squads isn't difficult. Map 3 is actually a great way to grind EXP and Coin. Although the exp isn't what I would call worth it once your level 102 to grind there, it really helped me hit 100 way back when, in the early days of the expansion. The coin rate I found to be around 1mil an hour on 2x, 500k per hour with normal server rates. It doesn't sound that great, but the DQ points from drops made up for it. Event Gold is epic that way. And Nirvana.. that's a bit tougher to farm if your a seeker, though I do 10minute 3 man runs with a couple of friends. But on the other hand, my two friends are +12 5aps sins, and I myself use Astral Ballad dual swords +10, which make me a beyond decent DD. I actually managed to do as good as the 5aps BM they usually take, which to me at least says something. Aps isn't everything IF you know what your doing, and all things considered, a seeker's sage version of Heart Shatter is almost as good as a BM's Heaven's Flame. I say that because an HF is 100% damage amp that lasts only a few seconds while sage Heart Shatter practically lasts as long as it takes for the boss to die. If you don't have 2 +12sin friends and +10 G15 dual swords it's much harder to farm nirvana so well. BUT that being said, you could still definitely achieve good results in nirvana if you have at least an r8 +10 sword, and it REALLY helps if your sage, especially if you have Sage Blade and Sword Mastery. Ironically, I'd even say that sage seekers are better in nirvana than demon seekers despite demon spark aps. Sage seekers are higher DDs and that's an absolute fact. If you can't get three man squads, still go for four man, ideally with 2 sins and 1 BM. Anyway, that's my input, I hope it was helpful.

cevil1

Delta is not farming. You waste mana charms, you get repair costs. Unless, of course, you randomly get most of the old book pages.

Mattiks, I used to think like you, then I realized the simple truth - heart shatter ONLY WORKS ON SKILLS, i.e., your sin friends have no benefit from your skill what-so-ever.

And by the way, sage masteries are 15% more weapon damage. Not overall damage


To answer TolanSky - dude, this is my final reply to you, I hope you will finally understand it: SEEKERS, as well as CLERICS, can farm everything. It takes shytload of time, but yes, it is possible to kill something with these classes, I don't deny it.
And for mother****ing christ's sake, DELTA IS NOT A FARMING PLACE FOR A SEEKER, IT HAS NEVER BEEN A MONEY EARNING DUNGEON. PLEASE ACCEPT THE GOD DAMN TRUTH!

Nniotora - Lost City

cevil1 wrote: »

Delta is not farming. You waste mana charms, you get repair costs. Unless, of course, you randomly get most of the old book pages.

Mattiks, I used to think like you, then I realized the simple truth - heart shatter ONLY WORKS ON SKILLS, i.e., your sin friends have no benefit from your skill what-so-ever.

And by the way, sage masteries are 15% more weapon damage. Not overall damage


To answer TolanSky - dude, this is my final reply to you, I hope you will finally understand it: SEEKERS, as well as CLERICS, can farm everything. It takes shytload of time, but yes, it is possible to kill something with these classes, I don't deny it.
And for mother****ing christ's sake, DELTA IS NOT A FARMING PLACE FOR A SEEKER, IT HAS NEVER BEEN A MONEY EARNING DUNGEON. PLEASE ACCEPT THE GOD DAMN TRUTH!

since when is delta not farming i make 20mil+ by sellign my spots another 15-20mil selling fragments 10 pages makes 7mil then coin and shard drops in 100min incase you dont know thats 50mil in 100mins. If thats not farmign then bms and sins cant farm anything as nv isnt worth 500k a run

Mattiks - Dreamweaver

cevil1 wrote: »

Delta is not farming. You waste mana charms, you get repair costs. Unless, of course, you randomly get most of the old book pages.

Mattiks, I used to think like you, then I realized the simple truth - heart shatter ONLY WORKS ON SKILLS, i.e., your sin friends have no benefit from your skill what-so-ever.

And by the way, sage masteries are 15% more weapon damage. Not overall damage

In response to the delta comment: I agree, the cost of mana charms is high, repair costs too, although the return by selling tome fragments is greater coin wise, at least if your lucky with frags. Then again, if you also farm map 3 DQ or just DQ points in general, mana charms are free with event gold, and your repair costs can be reduced if you use an omalley's blessing, because the damage received by gear is decreased by having many defense levels. Also, what if you were farming a tome? Yeah, delta is an efficient way to farm.

In response to your nirvana comment, I disagree totally. The next time your in game, if you have sage heart shatter read it. It says: Any metal or physical damage received is increased by 35%. and the sage add on says: Increases metal and physical damage received by the target by an addition 15%. Total, the debuff increases damage from metal and physical attacks by 50%. Assassins do physical damage, and increasing they're damage with this buff is very beneficial. I'm not sure where you get your facts really. Not that I worship the typeface of the skills effects or the the wording of the information, but it's not arguable. And if your saying that without beneficial amps I was able to do as good as a 5aps bm doing constant HF that is quite the compliment, although I have to disagree. I've been in several situations where I have tested heart shatter, and I know the way it works through testing and confirmation. From what I've seen of your posts on this thread your only here to troll, and that's fine. Fail troll is fail

cevil1

Increases the damage the target receives from Metal and Physical skills by an additional 15%
http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php

Goodbye, fantasies!
I know it's hard to accept it, I've tried really hard to get Sage Heart Shatter. Now I just wish I didn't get it at all.

And no, delta is not efficient money wise. Maybe in your server it is (they don't know how to start a delta, or wtf?), but from what I know here it costs 100k+ for a fragment and 1 OBP is around 500k. That is, if you get any at all.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

cevil1 wrote: »

Increases the damage the target receives from Metal and Physical skills by an additional 15%
http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php

Goodbye, fantasies!
I know it's hard to accept it, I've tried really hard to get Sage Heart Shatter. Now I just wish I didn't get it at all.

And no, delta is not efficient money wise. Maybe in your server it is (they don't know how to start a delta, or wtf?), but from what I know here it costs 100k+ for a fragment and 1 OBP is around 500k. That is, if you get any at all.

Delta can be profitable as I typically get like 20+ fragments per run in a squad of 6 and mayhaps a page or two if I'm lucky. The coins at the end typically takes care of repairs as well as the cost of mana herbs (people still waste money on mana charms at lvl 100+ ? b:shocked), perfect stones, etc with something left over for me. Still can't beat Nirvana for speed of money making, however.

On the other hand... looking at Nniotora's figures above, I'm at a loss to see how he can make that kind of money off a single Delta run (why on earth would anybody pay money to get into a Delta run... only Sins are ever refused b:shutup)... unless he is duoing it with someone to keep the extra drops for themselves.

CatManDoo - Dreamweaver

Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »

since when is delta not farming i make 20mil+ by sellign my spots another 15-20mil selling fragments 10 pages makes 7mil then coin and shard drops in 100min incase you dont know thats 50mil in 100mins. If thats not farmign then bms and sins cant farm anything as nv isnt worth 500k a run

seems that i,m playing in wrong server:). 700k per page, 15-20m from fragments? and people actually paying so much. well i have seen once that someone was looking seeker for delta for 5m, but its really hard to believe that i can sell delta spots in DW server and also get all pages and fragments (otherwise i dont get how u got 15-20m)

Nniotora - Lost City

CatManDoo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

seems that i,m playing in wrong server:). 700k per page, 15-20m from fragments? and people actually paying so much. well i have seen once that someone was looking seeker for delta for 5m, but its really hard to believe that i can sell delta spots in DW server and also get all pages and fragments (otherwise i dont get how u got 15-20m)

ppl on lost city usually fail to do gv thats why i can sell it for so much and yes all pages and fragments .Obp go for 700k atm and frags for 150k its easy more fast if i make the tomes needed for pan gu whole pan gu takes me 7 gv runs and jsut 100mil coins to make 1 can sell for 230mil = small profit but still worth it n aps era

J_Voorhees - Heavens Tear

How do you get 20+ fragments in 1 RB run? is there a way to always get frags instead of mirage? also even if you get 20+ frags in each run, 7 x 20 = 140 =46 lvl 1 tomes =/= pan gu fragswise.... so i dont know how you are doing all those maths

Do you ask for 15-20 mil to fill in that spot, and ask for all OBP and all Frags? geeze LC should get more seekers.... seriously, all you need is a not even decent equipped seeker, cleric and BP and 1 range aoe DD and gogo u can do full RB ...

i really dont see why ppl would pay up to 20 mil for a seeker