So I did something dumb

BladedZero - Sanctuary
BladedZero - Sanctuary Posts: 211 Arc User
edited January 2012 in Archer
I sold my Deicides to get a striking dragons for my BM and then realized I'd have to sacrifice even more Dex to wear them on my archer. Should I throw some str his way or should I go find something cheap like a GV for him to wear? Striking Dragons will be +10, but I probably wouldn't go further than +5 on the GVs. The fist wont be used regularly, just for bosses where the dps counts. The Striking dragons are already bound to me and the GVs will be another expense.
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    If you have a BM anyway, in what circumstance would using your archer to farm is more efficient than using your BM? Unless you bow tank 3-2 and 3-3 then I don't think there are many circumstances that means you're better off on your archer than on your BM.
  • BladedZero - Sanctuary
    BladedZero - Sanctuary Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Who said I was farming, I'm just playing an archer cause they're fun. Damn people got money on their minds 24/7 when thinking about this game or something.
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    The main advantage of having a fist archer is in farming, that's why. You can cope otherwise just fine without fists in BH and PvP. Damn people got 5APSorGTFO on their minds 24/7 when think about this game or something
  • BladedZero - Sanctuary
    BladedZero - Sanctuary Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I just want an opinion on gears for my duel weapon archer. I'm not here to discuss my decision to play a character the way I want to. GTFO this thread unless you plan on staying on topic,
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Maybe you should GTFO if you don't want opinions.
  • Allynna_ - Dreamweaver
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    GV's are probably fine, especially if your Archer is Demon. Unless it's for farming, exact fist refine on an archer isn't critical. Heck, if you had the Gear for 5 APS with GVs I'd say get them over Decides/Striking Dragons.
  • Valirah - Sanctuary
    Valirah - Sanctuary Posts: 522 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    What helmet are you using? If you haven't settled on an endgame helm yet, you could go with a Forest's Wisdom. It has the same Str req as Deicides and has a +10 Str add, getting you most of the way to using the Dragons.
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Another helm solution is to use the Lunar Helm. It's cheap, and almost as good as Warsoul at mid refines. That being said, Lady Valirah's solution of Forest's Wisdom is best.

    I recommend Striking Dragons. The damage difference between TT100 fists and Deicides is very large. TT100 is actually better Nirvana first-cast claws/fists. And, since you already have them, you may as well leverage them.
  • BladedZero - Sanctuary
    BladedZero - Sanctuary Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »
    What helmet are you using? If you haven't settled on an endgame helm yet, you could go with a Forest's Wisdom. It has the same Str req as Deicides and has a +10 Str add, getting you most of the way to using the Dragons.

    I was thinking of getting the TT LA combo for the +5ATK bonus since I already had the pants. However I was going to get a Forest Wisdom for my BM anyways, so this might work out for me. Thanks for the suggestion, this definitely helps.
  • Valirah - Sanctuary
    Valirah - Sanctuary Posts: 522 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I recommend Striking Dragons. The damage difference between TT100 fists and Deicides is very large. TT100 is actually better Nirvana first-cast claws/fists. And, since you already have them, you may as well leverage them.

    The damage difference narrows as you refine since Lunar and NV items refine better than TT100.


    Average damage (including TT100's +142 Max Patt add):

    Deicide +0 : 585.5
    Deicide +10 : 1053.5
    Deicide +12 : 1372.5


    TT100 +0 : 747.5
    TT100 +10 : 1148.5
    TT100 +12 : 1422.5


    G13 NV +0 : 676.5
    G13 NV +10 : 1144.5
    G13 NV +12 : 1463.5
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    You could consider Band of Heaven's Jail as rings when equipping fists. If you engrave some strength, you wouldn't need to lose dex at all.
    Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
    Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
    Qui: b:dirty
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I knew that Lunar refines better, but I didn't realize how close the damage was at higher refines.

    As for Nirvana first cast, I admit I only looked at +10 refines.

    I also took into account the 4% crit when I was doing DPS calculations.
  • Ruvil - Sanctuary
    Ruvil - Sanctuary Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    WTS>28 str ring... b:chuckle

    ideal endgame helm would be nirvana...

    FCC Fist b/c you can actually wear them w/ a str ring and still have OK dex...

    GL killing stuff
  • Allynna_ - Dreamweaver
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    http://pwcalc.com/73272c7e96f9ceb1

    430 Dex is a bit more than okay. Not to mention that there's still some room for optimization (better Tome and Ring Engraving). Not to mention aside from the LG Cape (which is dropping in price) all that gear (relatively) attainable. Tomes and ring engraving seem to be ignored in a lot of builds anymore.

    Also, the Warsoul of Earth is for most of the game better than a LA Nirvy one. Better HP below +12 (only looses by ~20 then even), and only suffering from a bit less def (and maybe Dex) compared to a level 100 req and a much higher cost.
  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I agree about the helm. I think the LA nirvy only gains the advantage if you are statting minimum strength gears and don't plan to have 117+ to wear Warsoul.
    Ring Engraving/Amulet Carving Guide - pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1174451

    Retired from PWI.

    b:bye
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.com/73272c7e96f9ceb1

    430 Dex is a bit more than okay. Not to mention that there's still some room for optimization (better Tome and Ring Engraving). Not to mention aside from the LG Cape (which is dropping in price) all that gear (relatively) attainable. Tomes and ring engraving seem to be ignored in a lot of builds anymore..

    I know Revenge adds 50% weapon damage, but does that take into account ornaments?

    I ask because Blazing Arrow doesn't take into account ornaments, where as Spark does.
  • Allynna_ - Dreamweaver
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I know Revenge adds 50% weapon damage, but does that take into account ornaments?

    I ask because Blazing Arrow doesn't take into account ornaments, where as Spark does.

    Yes almost certain it does. 50% of +4 GV damage is around 350, however when they proc for me the Physical attack raises a lot more than that, close to 500 iirc. That would account for the 50% of the 225 patk from the rings.
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yes almost certain it does. 50% of +4 GV damage is around 350, however when they proc for me the Physical attack raises a lot more than that, close to 500 iirc. That would account for the 50% of the 225 patk from the rings.

    Yeah, I just tested it last night with my GV and it does include ornaments.

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