Good Gorenox or average Deicide? Need opinions...

Sqeezer - Raging Tide
Sqeezer - Raging Tide Posts: 3 Arc User
edited January 2012 in Blademaster
Hello! I just wanted to see what you guys think about it before i sell/buy anythin. I have now good Gorenox fists (2 sock with perfect garnets / +5 refined) which i bought cheap. Should i keep it or sell and buy Deicides with 1 sock with similar refines? Pro and cons beside + 0,05 more on Deicide...i just need opinions on outgoing dmg etc...sry for bad english..and ty in advance! b:thanks
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  • xhotrod
    xhotrod Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I hope you mean Gorenox Vanity, and if you do, then get Deicides with similar refine.

    GV's end up having the same dph with revenge, but Deicides get an extra -.05 and the soul infect is useful.
  • Sqeezer - Raging Tide
    Sqeezer - Raging Tide Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    xhotrod wrote: »
    I hope you mean Gorenox Vanity, and if you do, then get Deicides with similar refine.

    GV's end up having the same dph with revenge, but Deicides get an extra -.05 and the soul infect is useful.

    Yes...sry for less info...i have Gorenox Vanity fists. I really love heal/extra dmg effect on GV...but idk if i can afford high aps with -0,05 is it worth to keep that GV?
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1120321
    This was an archer discussion on the dps comparing them. Basically, Deicides and GV (when revenge is proced) are very similar at low refines but at higher refines Deicides kick their butt. One thing that isn't taken into account is fist mastery because they are archer, since the higher base dmg of Deicides gets multiplied by mastery but the revenge isn't effected by it.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=915992
    And this is purely about GV and Revenge proc.

    So, besides better dmg, Soul Infect proc, and +17 vitality, why would you continue using GVs if Deicides are your next step anyways? Why keep refining the old weapon when you can put those refines on the better weapon instead?
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  • Sqeezer - Raging Tide
    Sqeezer - Raging Tide Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Ok...ill sell GV and buy Deicides then^^... Thanks for helping me in making decision guys... b:thanks
  • Dinya - Sanctuary
    Dinya - Sanctuary Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    U can be 5aps with GV it give good survavibility and it proc often at 5aps
    I would get if i was u 2socks with good gem + high refine than average deicides 1socket
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Dinya - Sanctuary wrote: »
    U can be 5aps with GV it give good survavibility and it proc often at 5aps
    I would get if i was u 2socks with good gem + high refine than average deicides 1socket

    Assuming you refine the deicides higher for better damage the paint heals would make up for the 5% hp proc (its 5% of your hp, vs 2% paint heals on your dmg which can be in the 100ks). Not to mention one of the best ways to increase survivability is to kill things quickly.
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  • Dinya - Sanctuary
    Dinya - Sanctuary Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Some bm have 10k hp unbuffed mine have 9.3k but i'm pure str
    It give u around 500hp heal / proc + attack = more heal from bp
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Dinya - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Some bm have 10k hp unbuffed mine have 9.3k but i'm pure str
    It give u around 500hp heal / proc + attack = more heal from bp

    Not sure what the Revenge proc rate is (I've heard 20% and 30% both quoted) but assuming its 20% so proccing an average of once a second when triple sparked and 5.0, less unsparked, and that the bm has 10k hp and is getting 500 hp per proc the deicides would have to do:

    500hp / .02 bloodpaint heal = 25,000 dmg more per second to get the same amount of heals.

    This is possible on regular bosses but not so probable on [ ? ] bosses, so GV might give you more hp back but its also a slower kill meaning you'll take more dmg, too. I still go back to my original point that why bother refining and upgrading something thats not as endgame as something else?
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    revenge proc rate is 5%, no way is it higher than that.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    revenge proc rate is 5%, no way is it higher than that.

    I was using a source code chart from Myen PWI that says 30%, and people argued that down to 20% (a while ago). But looking through the Archer forums it does seem like 5% has been the most agreed on proc rate for the the longest time.

    So, 5% proc rate means you get healed an average of every 20 hits, or 4 seconds (assuming permaspark with no triple spark interuptions.) So yes, it is very possible the deicides will do 25k more damage in 4 seconds even on [?] bosses and give better survivability than GVs with paint and the revenge proc.
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  • Dinya - Sanctuary
    Dinya - Sanctuary Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Hmm someone should test them with 5aps gear if it proc often or not

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