Easy beginner class?

Kalthariam - Heavens Tear

Whats the easiest beginner class to level quickly to just pretty much touch base on stuff?

I ask, because I'm a bloody alt-o-holic, I have like 5 charaters, none over level 30, and can't settle for the life of me, so I ask if there's a class that I can get through the game quickly and get a feel for it?

Thank you in advance.

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur

well I coudl address the obvious answer, but you should see that part yourself before it's too late.

I'd say you need for each class enough focus to work them out properly. So from that perspective it would be not wise to start with any form of pets or summons. So Mystic and Venomancer are not really for you then.

Cleric and Archer may have the advange of flying, but have their disadvantages as well. Where Clerics need to stay on distance since they are worthless in melee battles, the Archer is bound to depleting ammo (bolts/arrows). No ammo = no way of fighting. So likely out of the question as well.

Blademasters are often used as starter things to learn the game a bit, but later on can be weaker and often need aid from others for the most simple tasks if not used properly.

I'd say go for Barbarian, these hardly use any skills while in 'True form'. Which is that tiger form. Only buffs mostly and a few simple skills. Should be the best choice to start out I guess.

Kalthariam - Heavens Tear

Well thanks for the feed back, a Barbarian is actually one of the classes I haven't played, so I will give it a try. Thanks.b:pleased

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

lol barbarian as beginner class.....the wrost in early levels,the one with the highest repairs bills,lower non-aps attack in most cases,lol

<--- In fact this is my fourth or fifth alt


....Veno is the winning class.

Exremely easy at beginning on solo questing.
Good soling capacities without having to spend 500M+ on gear to get to # aps.
Wanted in most squads,BHs(<- average),Delta(<- yeah),FCC,Phoenix,TTs,and at lv.100's its accepted in most nirvana squads(Endgame money farming instance) even with a plain lv.10 Amp/Purge,no 5 aps required,no +10 stuff,no Herc required,you could spend like 10M on equip as endgame and being accepted in squads were people have like 1billion+ worth of stuff.
Hilarious enough Amplify Damage its a lv.23 Skill and its cheap as hell to level to 10(713k compared to BM's HF or any other"Vital",lv.59 skills 4M),purge is lv.13 and takes 370k to level to 10(Pretty much the only 2 Skills people will care you have).

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur

BerserkBeast, don't know what crawled up yours... but this is the second time you are talking me down for no good reason. I ask you to stop that.

Veno is no beginner class, since you need to keep track of food and keep your pet alive, no pet is death for the veno. Meaning to many things to keep track of.

Barbarian is a class has no more then **** and slash, as i already mentioned while in True Form you can mindlessly kill things and not having to do much else. Meaning it will be excellent to use for any beginner.

DuckTapez - Archosaur

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur wrote: »

BerserkBeast, don't know what crawled up yours... but this is the second time you are talking me down for no good reason. I ask you to stop that.

Veno is no beginner class, since you need to keep track of food and keep your pet alive, no pet is death for the veno. Meaning to many things to keep track of.

Barbarian is a class has no more then **** and slash, as i already mentioned while in True Form you can mindlessly kill things and not having to do much else. Meaning it will be excellent to use for any beginner.

he's "talking you down" cuz you're the one that's wrong, not him

barbarians are far from a beginner class...in fact, they are one of the hardest classes, second only to the archer (and possibly wizard) to start with imo

again, low attacks (at start of the game) and an even lower accuracy makes killing things a pain...
even worse in true form, because attack is halved (at max level, don't remember what it was at level 1)
you also must constantly keep watch over your gear, cuz there's no class like the barb in terms of gear breakage, which is combo-ed with the legendary repair bill issue

the low accuracy and attack does sort of solve itself at endgame, but barbs were always meant to be a tanking class, which means the repair bills only get worse with time

this also means they are far from a strictly DD class...it takes skill to keep a party alive (any that have ran with a fail barb will be quick to agree, i'm sure), so "**** and slash" is the last thing i would use to describe a barb
go back to your sin forums b:bye

venos, on the other hand, is a very good beginner class
keep track of food? are you kidding me...get a tome, for heaven's sake
even if you can't afford that...if you're too lazy to handle a dose of water every 5 min you shouldn't bother with this game, much less a veno

keeping your pet alive? hello...veno is the only class that has this issue, because every other class besides the mystic is too busy worrying about "keeping themselves alive", have you ever thought about that?
the other classes would gladly take on the problem of "keeping their pet alive" if we were given the choice, too
it's like having a backup hp bar
please don't tell me you'd rather have yourself dead over your pet

BladedZero - Sanctuary

Kalthariam - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Whats the easiest beginner class to level quickly to just pretty much touch base on stuff?

I ask, because I'm a bloody alt-o-holic, I have like 5 charaters, none over level 30, and can't settle for the life of me, so I ask if there's a class that I can get through the game quickly and get a feel for it?

Thank you in advance.

Play them all is my suggestion. They all meet their weakness at some point of the game and it'd give you a good understanding of the game mechanics.

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur

DuckTapez - Archosaur wrote: »

he's "talking you down" cuz you're the one that's wrong, not him

barbarians are far from a beginner class...in fact, they are one of the hardest classes, second only to the archer (and possibly wizard) to start with imo

again, low attacks (at start of the game) and an even lower accuracy makes killing things a pain...
even worse in true form, because attack is halved (at max level, don't remember what it was at level 1)
you also must constantly keep watch over your gear, cuz there's no class like the barb in terms of gear breakage, which is combo-ed with the legendary repair bill issue

the low accuracy and attack does sort of solve itself at endgame, but barbs were always meant to be a tanking class, which means the repair bills only get worse with time

this also means they are far from a strictly DD class...it takes skill to keep a party alive (any that have ran with a fail barb will be quick to agree, i'm sure), so "**** and slash" is the last thing i would use to describe a barb
go back to your sin forums b:bye

venos, on the other hand, is a very good beginner class
keep track of food? are you kidding me...get a tome, for heaven's sake
even if you can't afford that...if you're too lazy to handle a dose of water every 5 min you shouldn't bother with this game, much less a veno

keeping your pet alive? hello...veno is the only class that has this issue, because every other class besides the mystic is too busy worrying about "keeping themselves alive", have you ever thought about that?
the other classes would gladly take on the problem of "keeping their pet alive" if we were given the choice, too
it's like having a backup hp bar
please don't tell me you'd rather have yourself dead over your pet

Getting a tome isnt for starters, you only get that option when you reach archosaur, and there is no way to get that earlier. Well unless someone sells it, but even then you still need the coins to gain that. And incase you forgot about starters not having any coins at all... So you likely missed out the actual request, which is starter characters. Not what you get later on.

For barbarians, well thats the class i found easiest. As I said, dont need to think about skills as long as you get the right ones. Which as I said, in True Form will be the easiest...

Mystics have summons, and yes those need healing as well. But healing forms are a lot better then that of a veno.

DuckTapez - Archosaur

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur wrote: »

Getting a tome isnt for starters, you only get that option when you reach archosaur, and there is no way to get that earlier. Well unless someone sells it, but even then you still need the coins to gain that. And incase you forgot about starters not having any coins at all... So you likely missed out the actual request, which is starter characters. Not what you get later on.

For barbarians, well thats the class i found easiest. As I said, dont need to think about skills as long as you get the right ones. Which as I said, in True Form will be the easiest...

Mystics have summons, and yes those need healing as well. But healing forms are a lot better then that of a veno.

ok yeah maybe i got carried away with the "beginner" part, but fact still stands that food is an issue that requires minimal addressing

"don't need to think about skills as long as you get the right ones" describes most classes at the start, with only a handful of skills and only one type of quest really (grinding), most classes have a pretty set skill combo...which includes venos

if you're really THAT worried about your pet just lure and spam pet heal
might be slower without you to help DD but it gets the job done
and either way, it can't get any slower than a barb

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur

I found a right equipped barbarian in True Form both fast as very powerfull. So far I died only once with it, and it is lvl 37 now.

For veno's not needing so much food, you know that is bull. Pets and mounts alike eat your wallet clean if you don't buy a expansive tome. Tome's itself as i said earlier are sold in Archosaur, so is not a starter item at all. It's just a tool to get something.

Grinding you always need to do, sooner or later you will need to gain one or more levels in order to unlock something.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur wrote: »

I found a right equipped barbarian in True Form both fast as very powerfull. So far I died only once with it, and it is lvl 37 now.

For veno's not needing so much food, you know that is bull. Pets and mounts alike eat your wallet clean if you don't buy a expansive tome. Tome's itself as i said earlier are sold in Archosaur, so is not a starter item at all. It's just a tool to get something.

Grinding you always need to do, sooner or later you will need to gain one or more levels in order to unlock something.

lol

- First,its lovely how you wanna argue with a lv.101 Barb having a lv.37 barb yourself,but whatever....
- Secondly,you may consider fast and powerful a lv.37 barb,but that sensation....will vanish with some more levels,and also,try level a Venomancer alongside to see the difference.
- Let's do some math"omg pets eat yo wallet QQ"

Food:Pure Water
Cost:50 coins
Last:5 minutes

That's 10 coins every 60 seconds.

Now,explain me how the heck that's considered "Expensive",granted that you don't keep pet out when you dont need it,and you use it only when grinding/questing/bhs/etc.,I have no idea how you grind/quest/whatever and consider 10 coins every minute"expensive",what,you grind on lv.1 mobs that drop like 5 coins?,and barely kill a couple every 60 secs?,ridiculous.
I've made a veno 2 weeks ago in another server to test something,without a tome,I was getting like 70/80k every hour by doing quests only,I just played a couple of hours or so and I had already almost 200k,you're obviously doing something wrong.

- The cheapest tome is about 1M,more or less,after lv.60 or so grinding that sum in a couple of days its not hard at all,levelling your 2-sparks skill cost 4M from lv.1 to lv.10,so if you consider 1M expensive,Im gonna assume You'll have like lv.5 skills by lv.80?,lol.

Now,do you want me to post with my alt Veno to show you that I also got Venomancer experience myself?,or you just gonna pull out some non-logical argument?

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol

- First,its lovely how you wanna argue with a lv.101 Barb having a lv.37 barb yourself,but whatever....
- Secondly,you may consider fast and powerful a lv.37 barb,but that sensation....will vanish with some more levels,and also,try level a Venomancer alongside to see the difference.
- Let's do some math"omg pets eat yo wallet QQ"

Food:Pure Water
Cost:50 coins
Last:5 minutes

That's 10 coins every 60 seconds.

Now,explain me how the heck that's considered "Expensive",granted that you don't keep pet out when you dont need it,and you use it only when grinding/questing/bhs/etc.,I have no idea how you grind/quest/whatever and consider 10 coins every minute"expensive",what,you grind on lv.1 mobs that drop like 5 coins?,and barely kill a couple every 60 secs?,ridiculous.
I've made a veno 2 weeks ago in another server to test something,without a tome,I was getting like 70/80k every hour by doing quests only,I just played a couple of hours or so and I had already almost 200k,you're obviously doing something wrong.

- The cheapest tome is about 1M,more or less,after lv.60 or so grinding that sum in a couple of days its not hard at all,levelling your 2-sparks skill cost 4M from lv.1 to lv.10,so if you consider 1M expensive,Im gonna assume You'll have like lv.5 skills by lv.80?,lol.

Now,do you want me to post with my alt Veno to show you that I also got Venomancer experience myself?,or you just gonna pull out some non-logical argument?

Okay stop it already, you really think it would be wise to flame someone? I may have a lvl 37 barb now, but that does not mean I did not have one that was higher. I seen what a veno can do, it's less powerfull then a mystic and a barb, specially for starters. Both of you forgetting what a starter can get and what it is like to start out fresh in a game. You do not own all kinds of skills from the start nor know how to play properly. This takes at least a while to get used to and to learn. Meaning pets may be fun, but without the right information (and bad translations from Chinese to English) you simply can not espect someone to start with a veno and keep their pets alive. Think for once and look at the perspective of a starter, not from a level 100+

Tome's are indeed 1 mil and more, there is no beginner that can afford it. Not at least until level 25+. Meaning it is not even close to being a starter item.

I give you some good advice, this is the last time I warn about you flaming me for no good reason. Have problems? Keep them to yourself, don't make others suffer for it.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

Im just being realistic,not flaming,you say lv.25"isn't starter",well,I can pretty much level from lv.1 to 30 in 3 days,to lv.45 in a week,for starters you mean,first 5 hours of gameplay?,lol.
It takes really no more than 4-5 hours to level to 25,if that's its not anymore"Beginner",for you,then wow lv.30 players are"Experienced",lv.40s are"Pro",lv.50"Awesomeness",etc etc.
(Off course levelling without the help of my main)

Also I don't see how healing a pet can be hard for a newcomer,it only takes a few hours of practice at most,this is a just a game,not rocket science.All you have to do is keep an eye at your Pet Hp bar and press a single button to heal....rocket science indeed.

Also getting 1M already at level 25 its kinda crazy,I'd say until you're 40/45 maybe.Also you didn't explained how 10 coins x minute can be considered expensive.
My Veno didn't had any tome until lv.70,and she was perfectly fine with the"10 coins per minute",and I was a so-called"Starter",back then.

Also,"Flaming",is when someone attack someone else with irrational arguments and/or insults,and I don't see how that's my case.Or you think everyone that doesn't agree with you are flaming? lol

DuckTapez - Archosaur

^ lol i don't know why you bother wasting so much time trying to explain stuff to this kid b:laugh you'll be dusty by the time they see sense, if ever

(this post probably comes closer to a real flame than any of the other ones so far)

sangodoc

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur wrote: »

Okay stop it already, you really think it would be wise to flame someone?
[snip]
I give you some good advice, this is the last time I warn about you flaming me for no good reason. Have problems? Keep them to yourself, don't make others suffer for it.

AnnBlackfire, he isn't "flaming" you any more than you were flaming him when you said "don't know what crawled up yours" to him. He might be being a tiny bit condescending, but he is pretty much right.

Venos are a good starter class because they are cheap. You have almost no repair costs at all, and the cost of feeding pets or the one-time cost of a tome is much cheaper than the lifetime cost of repairs for a barb. (Venos don't need a Herc or Phoenix, my level 87 veno doesn't have either, and does quite well.) Yes, they are a little bit more complicated than a barb, but it's much harder to **** up with them.

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur wrote: »

Tome's are indeed 1 mil and more, there is no beginner that can afford it. Not at least until level 25+. Meaning it is not even close to being a starter item.

Actually, any beginner can afford it, providing that they're willing to buy $10 worth of Zen. Turn the Zen into gold, then just use some of the gold to buy the 4 Mysterious Tome Pages and trade the rest of the gold for coins so you can buy 3 Mysterious Tome Fragments from another player so you can make your own tome. You should have plenty of coins left over too. Or you could just turn all the gold into coins and buy the tome outright.

$10 = roughly 20 million coins on most servers now, so you can afford a lot for only a bit more than the cost of a movie ticket.

Anyways, don't mistake "disagreement" with "flaming", because they are quite different.

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur

i'm not even going to react anymore, pointless. I try to help the guy with my experiences and not to mislead him in what others claim or say. I found the veno way harder then the barbarian, mystic is however working out the best for me so far. Although I did had a lvl 80+ blademaster untill Pando media deleted all my characters, still without any response why. But however it is, it isn't right that people are plain rude to someone that gives a answer making them feel dumb and like they are nothing. I have a heavy form of autism, be happy I can at least talk a bit normal and dare to give answers. I like helping out people, i simply can't stand it that some people are so unfair that they have to talk someone down just because they have a higher level or think they are all that. Guess what, it makes you the bad one, not me. b:angry b:cry Thank you for ruining my fun in trying to help others in PWI.

sangodoc

AnnBlackfire, perhaps this comes more down to opinion than fact then. However, most people find veno to be an easier class to play than barbarian. That may not have been the case with you, but that is what I hear from the majority of players I know who've played them.

The veno can basically let their pet attack and just heal their pet with basic gear, while a barb has to worry about keeping aggro in squads, managing HP, and constantly repairing and upgrading gear. Yes, you can do a lot more than that with a veno, but it does make them fairly easy and cheap to play, compared to a barb.

Also, there is no way possible that Pando deleted your characters. Unless you deleted them yourself, those characters are still there, either on another account or on another server.

More importantly, people here aren't being as rude as you think they are. I have a few social interaction problems myself, so I know how easy it is to be misunderstood, and I think you might want to consider that you're misunderstanding them.

Nobody is trying to ruin your fun, but if you keep taking disagreements personally, then you're going to ruin your own fun. And that sucks.

Just accept that you have your own opinion and they have theirs, and you both have your own reasons for having them. Instead of getting upset, try to learn why they believe as they do. Asking questions will help you learn a lot more than getting angry when someone says something you disagree with.

Hope that helps.

jwhee

Sangodoc wrote: »

AnnBlackfire, perhaps this comes more down to opinion than fact then. However, most people find veno to be an easier class to play than barbarian. That may not have been the case with you, but that is what I hear from the majority of players I know who've played them.

The veno can basically let their pet attack and just heal their pet with basic gear, while a barb has to worry about keeping aggro in squads, managing HP, and constantly repairing and upgrading gear. Yes, you can do a lot more than that with a veno, but it does make them fairly easy and cheap to play, compared to a barb.

Also, there is no way possible that Pando deleted your characters. Unless you deleted them yourself, those characters are still there, either on another account or on another server.

More importantly, people here aren't being as rude as you think they are. I have a few social interaction problems myself, so I know how easy it is to be misunderstood, and I think you might want to consider that you're misunderstanding them.

Nobody is trying to ruin your fun, but if you keep taking disagreements personally, then you're going to ruin your own fun. And that sucks.

Just accept that you have your own opinion and they have theirs, and you both have your own reasons for having them. Instead of getting upset, try to learn why they believe as they do. Asking questions will help you learn a lot more than getting angry when someone says something you disagree with.

Hope that helps.

I couldn't agree anymore myself. As a Veno, and player of 3 years now, I think its safe to say that starting with a Venomancer is a good choice.

~Easy to solo quests.
~Low repairs.
~Good farming capabilities.
~Bramble for agro in instances.
~Purge and Amp (Main reason the veno is even allowed in endgame instances which help you farm for money if you don't CS).

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver

Ok.. this is weird.. why no one mentioned a Sin yet? also... if this poor kid is planning to pvp or go to TW someday with a veno.. he is doomed... also not all nirvana squads takes venos, I don t like to take venos to caster nirvy for example, i found them useless and believe me I had run caster almost 500 times and an avarage r8 +5 wyz/psy is way much better than a veno with 10 mill coins gear like someone said before. Yeah.. venos are easy at the beggining, but they get useless at endgame.. if you dont agree go to the Veno`s subforum and enjoy the QQ posts..
My advise, roll a BM, easy to lvl up, wanted in all squads.. and also if you wanna be pro in the future u can get the damm 5 aps and run endless nirvys with a sin partner b:pleased

Ps: I hate Sins

jwhee

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ok.. this is weird.. why no one mentioned a Sin yet? also... if this poor kid is planning to pvp or go to TW someday with a veno.. he is doomed... also not all nirvana squads takes venos, I don t like to take venos to caster nirvy for example, i found them useless and believe me I had run caster almost 500 times and an avarage r8 +5 wyz/psy is way much better than a veno with 10 mill coins gear like someone said before. Yeah.. venos are easy at the beggining, but they get useless at endgame.. if you dont agree go to the Veno`s subforum and enjoy the QQ posts..
My advise, roll a BM, easy to lvl up, wanted in all squads.. and also if you wanna be pro in the future u can get the damm 5 aps and run endless nirvys with a sin partner b:pleased

Ps: I hate Sins

I do see where you are coming from Alex, yes, Venos will die in TW alot I agree with you fully there, I die countless times in a TW just to try and debuff a squad (AoE purge FTW)... But their job is to purge / amp barbs when they see them.

Also, Caster Nirvy is kinda a joke, even if you do have a full r8 / r9 +12 squad. Look at the Aps squads who love to have venos for amp/purge/ironwood.V
I've gotten into PLENTY of runs as my Veno, and ive never had a problem with it.

P.S. I'm on a dead server.

sangodoc

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ok.. this is weird.. why no one mentioned a Sin yet? also... if this poor kid is planning to pvp or go to TW someday with a veno.. he is doomed... also not all nirvana squads takes venos, I don t like to take venos to caster nirvy for example, i found them useless and believe me I had run caster almost 500 times and an avarage r8 +5 wyz/psy is way much better than a veno with 10 mill coins gear like someone said before. Yeah.. venos are easy at the beggining, but they get useless at endgame.. if you dont agree go to the Veno`s subforum and enjoy the QQ posts..

Basically, you level up the veno quick, easy, and cheap, and then you can make enough coins to afford a decent sin.

Sins are a pain at lower levels. They die a lot and suck down the HP potions. LA gear isn't great against physical damage, and doing a HA build nerfs your damage. Not to mention the repairs again. Also, even at high levels, sins have trouble finding factions because there are so many of them. It's hard to TW with a sin, if all of the TW factions are already too full of sins. (Most TW factions on Dreamweaver are something like "level 80+ for all classes except sins, which must be level 100+.")

So, yes, sins may be good at higher levels, but they're not a great choice for your first character, IMHO.

I do agree with your assessment of BMs being a decent starter class though, if you prefer melee classes.

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur

Sangodoc wrote: »

AnnBlackfire, perhaps this comes more down to opinion than fact then. However, most people find veno to be an easier class to play than barbarian. That may not have been the case with you, but that is what I hear from the majority of players I know who've played them.

The veno can basically let their pet attack and just heal their pet with basic gear, while a barb has to worry about keeping aggro in squads, managing HP, and constantly repairing and upgrading gear. Yes, you can do a lot more than that with a veno, but it does make them fairly easy and cheap to play, compared to a barb.

Also, there is no way possible that Pando deleted your characters. Unless you deleted them yourself, those characters are still there, either on another account or on another server.

More importantly, people here aren't being as rude as you think they are. I have a few social interaction problems myself, so I know how easy it is to be misunderstood, and I think you might want to consider that you're misunderstanding them.

Nobody is trying to ruin your fun, but if you keep taking disagreements personally, then you're going to ruin your own fun. And that sucks.

Just accept that you have your own opinion and they have theirs, and you both have your own reasons for having them. Instead of getting upset, try to learn why they believe as they do. Asking questions will help you learn a lot more than getting angry when someone says something you disagree with.

Hope that helps.

I checked all PWI servers, there was nothing at all on the missing characters. All that I have now are newly made ones. Yes, it could be possible that mine are either on the Chinese servers or on some other server. I just checked the PWI servers itself. However it may be, It's kinda very odd that they are gone.

For the rest, well I may be getting upset quickly but I do have my reasons. How would you feel if no one tried to understand your point of view, except from when you get upset. it's not the smartest thing to blindly call out things while someone else may have a valid point.


@Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver
thank you, thats 1 more that sees the point. Veno's aint as strong as people think, kill the veno and the pet will not be healed anymore. Likely die soon after as well. Sins are in fact also a pretty strong starter unit, can work solo and specially later on can be powerfull and also PvP. PvP and veno's are not so good friends indeed. Sins may be hard for some early on, but first 20 levels are pretty easy if you do it the right way. Same for the rest, any character require planning. Not blindly grinding and fly trough the quests.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur wrote: »

@Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver
thank you, thats 1 more that sees the point. Veno's aint as strong as people think, kill the veno and the pet will not be healed anymore. Likely die soon after as well. Sins are in fact also a pretty strong starter unit, can work solo and specially later on can be powerfull and also PvP. PvP and veno's are not so good friends indeed. Sins may be hard for some early on, but first 20 levels are pretty easy if you do it the right way. Same for the rest, any character require planning. Not blindly grinding and fly trough the quests.

Talking about valid points,this shows how you don't really ever played a Veno.A pet doesn't die if the Veno die,its just immediately stow back in the petbag,it doesnn't stay an half second around with his master dead.

Secondly,you clearly didn't even played a Sin either.Sin at early levels is maybe even worse than a Barb,bloodpaint,they get at 34 and doesn't really heal much until 59 when they get double spark.
Sins are squishy,terrible squishy at low and mid levels,Light Armor was never meant to be used in close combat,and never got revisited after the introduction of Sins.
Compared to BMs,Barbs,Seekers,and a lot of other classes,Sins have really an hard time with the first 1-40 levels.

We can talk all you want about point of view,but mine so far are based on personal experience,yeah I got an alt Sin too,I don't known about you,but some of the things you say really seems kinda far away from the"Common Point of View",I may advise you to consult the Assassin's sub forum if you wanna have their opinion about"Early levels".

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver

jwhee wrote: »

Also, Caster Nirvy is kinda a joke, even if you do have a full r8 / r9 +12 squad. Look at the Aps squads who love to have venos for amp/purge/ironwood.V
I've gotten into PLENTY of runs as my Veno, and ive never had a problem with it.

P.S. I'm on a dead server.

Caster Nirvy a joke? ROFL... a joke that had allowed me to farm around 450 mill coins during the last x2 and I had run most of the times on 6 mans squads and also with 10 days to go on x2 I had ran out of keys... I know a sin or a bm can farm way much more... but I don t think caster Nirvy is a joke.

Regarding PvP vs Venos.. is true that if you kill the Veno the pet is dead, but if you are caster and you kill the pet first the Veno is not big deal either...

I stay with my suggestion.. a BM is the best option..

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Talking about valid points,this shows how you don't really ever played a Veno.A pet doesn't die if the Veno die,its just immediately stow back in the petbag,it doesnn't stay an half second around with his master dead.

Secondly,you clearly didn't even played a Sin either.Sin at early levels is maybe even worse than a Barb,bloodpaint,they get at 34 and doesn't really heal much until 59 when they get double spark.
Sins are squishy,terrible squishy at low and mid levels,Light Armor was never meant to be used in close combat,and never got revisited after the introduction of Sins.
Compared to BMs,Barbs,Seekers,and a lot of other classes,Sins have really an hard time with the first 1-40 levels.

We can talk all you want about point of view,but mine so far are based on personal experience,yeah I got an alt Sin too,I don't known about you,but some of the things you say really seems kinda far away from the"Common Point of View",I may advise you to consult the Assassin's sub forum if you wanna have their opinion about"Early levels".

Actually I seen my friend die a few times, she is a veno and her per stayed out untill it was killed as well. May perhaps be a odd bug or not, I don't know. But I seen it with other players happen as well. So must be something going on there.

I actually have a sin and yes it isn't doing that well compared to a barb, but it does do what it supposed to do. It's however getting pretty annoying the way how you react to any post I put online. You have something against me or something?

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

Nope,not at all,but maybe you don't realize that a forum(Like this),is made for Discussions,comparing Ideas,point of views,discussing about personal experiences,etc. etc. and that's exactly what Im doing.

Does people usually agree to everything you say?,in that case they're fooling you,discussions like this happen in real life and in all forums with more than 1 poster all the time,you should get used to critics or you just gonna hate every man in this world that doesn't agree with you.

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur

again you fail to see my point. It is the way you speak about what you want to say, not what you say. I may be missing the same social skills any 'normal' person would have according to specialists, but often I see others failing at actually thinking before they speak. Either not willing to see the other person's point, or simply unable to do so. But still I manage to work out how to help out others, specially disabled people of all kinds. Mostly online, like for example giving blind people a way to enjoy games as well like you and me. I actually do things without even thinking about gaining something for it, just a little respect is enough for me. Respect as any human being should get. Now i ask you only to think before you talk, you as 'normal' person should be able to do so. Then do so and stop trying to get the blood from under my nails. Thank you.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

Maybe you do not realize that to be understood and agree they are two very different things.
You may not accept the fact that I understand what you mean though you assert that you have difficulty communicating, maybe you take the excuse of not being understood not to accept the fact that even when people understand you, can not be d ' agree with your ideas.

You say that I do not respect your point of view, it seems to me that I have understood each of your messages, and maybe you do not respect the fact that I have an opinion different from yours, but by doing so you are not respecting my point of view and just give me a fool, 'cause I do not understand.

I simply do not agree with what you say, that's all,live with it.

DuckTapez - Archosaur

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur wrote: »

I checked all PWI servers, there was nothing at all on the missing characters. All that I have now are newly made ones. Yes, it could be possible that mine are either on the Chinese servers or on some other server. I just checked the PWI servers itself. However it may be, It's kinda very odd that they are gone.

for the record PWCN is not an actual "server" that exists in our game, but a completely different, local version of the game with its own client, database, and servers

or rather, PWI is a different version of PWCN i guess?

yeah it's odd that if your characters disappeared on their own accord, but it can only exists in PWI servers unless you have ever played a different version of PW that's not International

btw chill b:cold geez...you people don't even know each other, stop taking words from an online gaming community so personally
everyone is entitled to their own opinion, if you strongly disagree with BerserkBeast's you can just ignore it...no need to imply that he's mistreating you just because he has a different say in the matter, cuz he's not: opinions be opinions, cut the accusations

from personal experience, venos pets do get returned to pet bag when a veno dies
and just for the sake of curiosity...

AnnBlackfire - Archosaur wrote: »

I actually have a sin and yes it isn't doing that well compared to a barb, but it does do what it supposed to do.

what exactly IS a sin "supposed to do" lol O_o

Kerona - Sanctuary

b:cute
I agree with Venomancer.

My starter toon was an Archer and I switched quickly to Psychic because it was too difficult. Psy gets rough around the 50s, though.

Veno on the other hand was very easy up until the Swamp of the Wraiths where pets frequently unsummon. Hopefully you have some helpful friends by that point. It was cheap, I actually MADE money instead of spent it to level the toon, and I get into squads easy.

haseon373

There is no true easy class if you want a great class that levels fast get the class that matches your personality that way time flys you have fun and before you no it your a high level. Correct?