[Idea] Upgrade evasion

choco972

Hi, It's rare that i go post on this forum, same if i go on it often.
Maybe u already heard Baddaz in game : it's me.

I wanna do an analyse with you, players, and staff of PWI. I like the game but something is unbalanced.
THIS is my analyse :
when u press "c" for see your char statistic u see :

- Physical att (usefull)
- Magic att (usefull)
- Crit rate (usefull)
- att rate (usefull)
- accuracy (usefull)
- Evasion (useless)
- Speed (normal)
- atk lvl (usefull)
- rage damage (normal)
- stealth lvl (usefull)
- Physical def (usefull)
- Mag defs (usefull)
- def lvl (usefull)
- soulforce (coming maybe)
- stealth detection (usefull)

what u see ? evasion is completely useless, the only evasion gears valuable is ashuras accessories uniquely for 0.05 int bonus and maybe other bonus set.

more utility for evasion in this game it's necessary i think and i give you some ideas :

1- Reduce /2 all the accuracy of all mobs/boss in the game : the archers class, some ppl say this class is dead, it will make it more alive

2- i heard that def lvl, exemple +10, will give 10% more physical and magical defs : evasion is a defending bonus, maybe this bonus can multiplicate evasion too ?

3- make a great evasion % bonus tome and/or robe, u actually need a lot of evasion for make this stats (a little) usefull

4- give more evasion after a refine (evasion accessories), or more evasion bonus on gears (ashura bracers 126 evasion => 252 evasion for exemple)

5- give more evasion for full dexterity class : seeker and blademaster earn 10 evasion by 1 dex, BARBARIAN earn 8 evasion /dex, WHY archers and sin (LA ****ing weak gears !!!) earn only 6 evasion/point ? please 20 evasion point / dex

6- make bonus like nimble (increase evasion), and blind (decrease accuracy) craftable on melee weapon

7- make lvl 12+ gems evasion +xx%/accuracy +xx%

8- make evasion% bonus craftable on rings like all accessories and accuracy

9- sage assassin bp give 1% more bp, and demon bp give evasion % 15 sec ??? it sux ! give this evasion bonus like an extra bonus ! sage bp = 3% / demon bp = 2% and this evasion% bonus same amount of time

10- Archer skill give only 35% evasion... blademaster have 60% physical def, cleric 60% buffs, barb 30% hp AND att, seeker 30% def lvl, etc 35% evasion is what ? more evasion on this skill please (60% mini)

11- add the possibility to evade critical hits (magic and physical), with evasion

12- nerf accuracy bonus on gears (weapon/rings)

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The first idea is really simple, and pretty awsome, but don't work in pvp.

The second idea is good too but maybe hard to do, or maybe def lvl is more difficult than i think.

The third idea is fine, simple too ! a bonus of 20% evasion or more on a cape or tome, work pvp and pve, all classes, it's very good.

The 4st, it's good for you pwi, we get more evasion and u get more money ! and 100~ bonus evasion is still useless on a gear, u need a lot of evasion for make it works a little.

The 5st idea is the best ! couple with the first idead it will be perfect ! it works pvp and pve, and it's greatly logic ! how a barb who already earn more hp/vita can earn again more evasion ? WE WEAR LA GEARS !!! we need a defence for compense and it's evasion.

The 6st is for make evasion gameplay available for other class, only archers can get this kind of bonus on weapon, and a blind bonus, for exemple, can help the tanker to tank a little better if a dd sin/bm fist got it

The 7st idea is good in pve but not in pvp, make players with evasion get more hitted because make evasion more easy to get, but accuracy too and more your opponent got accuracy, more u need the amount of evasion x2 compared to the extra accuracy of your opponent but in same time, all physical prefer garnet

The 8st idea why not ? more ideas implemented, more evasion will be usefull ad playable

The 9st idea good but it's just for sin, this evasion bonus are stupid because bp is a passive skill : need to be permanent for be usefull (maybe not 50%, just 10-20% it's okay, stacked with archers buff)

The 10st idea same like the 9, just for make archer a little better, no archers in this game... they need more evasion in pvp ! and it make archer funny to play too in pve accuracy is simple to get for opponent, boss are full accuracy, evasion is hard to get for we !

The 11st is an idea who slightly increase the utility of evasion, but maybe hard to implement.

The 12st idea will make angry a lot of ppl... but it will be good too.

This is all idea i find for fix it, more u will take, more evasion will be usefull, more fun to play archers, more evasion players and new class builds (more diversity), etc
I don't want to make players who play evasion 100% never hited, just to make evasion a decent stat like others in pve like in pvp.

Thanks for your attention Staff and players.

condo2009

they cannot even fix the french server for 5 days now, what would make you think they even look at this?

Aquyla - Heavens Tear

so technically you suggesting in indirect way that sins get more evasion and be more op so no one can even hit them? like aps with sparking and bp is not too much op maybe? or maybe it's just my imagination? b:surrender

pwiqq

Aquyla - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so technically you suggesting in indirect way that sins get more evasion and be more op so no one can even hit them? like aps with sparking and bp is not too much op maybe? or maybe it's just my imagination? b:surrender

its just your imagination b:bye

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

They already did fix evasion. It's called Focus Mind / Tidal Protection.

Demaulicus - Heavens Tear

There is already enough evasion stuff on the server.

☆Ashura's Necklace
If you refine this it gives added evasion.

Amber gem
If you add this to your armor then you have more evasion aswell.

Golden Soulgem
Here's a G12 Evasion/Accuracy gem

With all the evasion stuff you have why is there a need for more evasion bonus abilities? The game is meant to be one where you can't be immortal. If people were able to obtain immortal status on here it would basically be god mode status. To me there shouldn't be anymore evasion bonus items added to the game that don't restrict other items being used. For example the Amber gem allows for more evasion but it doesn't allow you to put hp gems, VIT stones, or any other gems in gear. Refining an Ethereal necklace or belt usually gives you more evasion aswell.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Demaulicus - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There is already enough evasion stuff on the server.

This is not really true. Most high end gear doesn't have evasion.

-No evasion cube neck
-No evasion Warsong Belt / Jungle Belt
-No +700 evasion on R9 belt
-Plenty of rings with +50% accuracy but there is no +50% evasion gear
-No rings can be refined for evasion, only neck and belt
-Evasion buffs are weaker than Mres buffs and much weaker than PDef buffs
-Accuracy buffs can give +200% or +300% accuracy

The developers gave up on ever fixing evasion so it would be useful, just added a **** load of accuracy to get rid of it completely, then gave assassins a totally different form of evasion that works much better (in addition to the normal evasion everyone else has). This is why no one stats for evasion.

Lenestro - Sanctuary

that would make sins more OP, bms, barbs and seekers cry, and watch the casters laugh at them. maybe they should consider this for the new "evasion pack"

Asgardeus - Sanctuary

Wrong forum section.

And I don't wanna know where this would lead. Seeing me as a bm with ~200 dex for claws, my wife as seeker already misses a lot on me. Now what happens if someone tries hitting someone LA with more than double that dex? Yeah, fun...

Decus - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

They already did fix evasion. It's called Focus Mind / Tidal Protection.

^ This. /thread

Quilue - Sanctuary

Even if these were implemented, stacking evasion would be **** as it just makes you one shot to magic. % evasion craftable on ring engraves would just **** people off as no one would actually want that.

They need to just get rid of the accuracy and evasion period. Make all hits 100%, replace any existing evasion stat with a half pdef and mdef bonus, and replace any existing +acc stat with dex.

Archer buff should just be the speed bonus for 30min.

truekossy

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Archer buff should just be the speed bonus for 30min and have a separate icon so it isn't overwritten by every other speed buff in the game.

Added in something you forgot, Q.

choco972

Sorry i was in general section in same time i was in suggestion box and i finally post in the wrong section.

It's not a post for class sin, but i just see that demon bp compared to sage bp is damn useless.
Focused mind/tidal protection actually usefull only in pvp, pve useless (small duration)
small duration skill can easyly be contourned, just go away and come back fight during cooldown (not spammable)
And u can't have it in same time.
I don't say to give 50% more evason to demon sin, i say u down the bonus maybe 10~20% and make it permanent like the bloodsuck. 10~20% evasion on a normal sin and he just have the same amount of evasion of the fist bm but bm avantage is HA

Remember all class are a strong side against a class, and a weak side agaisnt an other class, evasion way u get more able to face physical players, and more weak against magical players, it's not cheated always have a balance.
And you bm u still have physical sutra during 30 sec without cooldown against sin, u still have magical without cooldown sutra for 30 sec against magical att in pvp and u still hit hard/very fast... same with LA u better than sin for resist in pvp with these skills ! and u still can heal yourself ! u don't need to qq because u miss 1 hit on 10 or u was unlucky full miss during one fight
Sin hit hard yes, bp useless in pvp, but actually normal LA class don't evade any hit (0 miss in pve, same amount of evasion compared to bm and sometimes barb !) and normally LA must be have a amount of evasion for hope resist a minimum against physical hit, they need more in pvp and in pve (a lot ! boss got a lot of damn accuracy)

Already have a lvl 12 "amber" gems ? the number of time i check ah and catshops in the game i never see it.

U cry about miss bm but you have the more accuracy bonus/dex and u can actually have 110% accuracy easyly (double rings+ashura) and i don't add accuracy bonus on weapon sometime, the max evasion we can have it's 20% (no physical ring evasion%)
300 dex fist = 3000 acc + 110% = 6300accuracy, end game evasion for archers ~ 5k evasion buffed, u afraid that this char go evasion and get 9k evasion ? maybe u will miss x2 but u will still hit x2 too on this char, how it's not balanced ?

And for rings i don't talk about ring engraving, but about when u create or identify a ring.
If evasion is fixed, transform archers buff => focused mind and all is fixed, archers will be usefull in squad now and more op in pvp too

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

b:sleep My Barb has 114 evasion. I should totally restat for G15 claws just so I can have 3k evasion. b:sweat

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:sleep My Barb has 114 evasion. I should totally restat for G15 claws just so I can have 3k evasion. b:sweat

That's more than my cleric has b:laugh

Baddaz - Lost City

please a gm can transfer this post to suggestion section please ? and after send the best ideas to devellopers ? it's really necessary : just see the amount of archer in the game and u will understand.

sangodoc

Demaulicus - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There is already enough evasion stuff on the server.

☆Ashura's Necklace
If you refine this it gives added evasion.

Actually, the ☆Drakeshadow Amulet is even better, because it not only gets more evasion when you refine it, but it has a +10% evasion addon.

The ☆Ring of the Starry Night is a magic ring with +30% evasion as well.

Here's the best evasion build I can come up with (turn on the two archer buffs if you want a laugh).

Maiira - Sanctuary

u cn do a little better sangodoc. simple upgrade could be 2nd cast vana boots n arms n go for the +10 dex n get +10 dex on helm n robe would add a tiny more. or... go with oht 100 gold gear with multiple + evasion adds :P

if u make it all +12 and use 80% magic defence charms from the lvl 10 apoth (after they add lvl10 apoth for 100 gold) then magics ppl wont matter as much :P

BaseTheAcE - Sanctuary

Sangodoc wrote: »

Here's the best evasion build I can come up with (turn on the two archer buffs if you want a laugh).

http://pwcalc.com/bf423ee05c3ef79b

It's 5.0 ;o !

Deant - Raging Tide

Evasion is useless thing. U cannot evade magic. Even if cleric has big amount of evasion cannot compare to the accurancy of sins and archers. U cannot evade them with AA class. Even they cannot evade them between themself. If u want more evasion for the archer take ur 79 evasion buff. And again more evasion will not make Archers more alive then now. And a number of melee classes have 100% acurancy skills a.k.a. skills that not miss. Demon barb has 2 of them, demon bm even has 1 aoe and 1 lvl 100 skill. Demon Archer has a magic attk which cannot be evaded. Insted pumping up evasion u should pump up phys def and ofcourse HP. As cleric u should use Plume barier more often:)

Baddaz - Lost City

thanks gm for transfer, and nice calc guys.

for information, the ring can be refined for a little more magical defenses and with refined stuff + la we can tank magic, same if we will have a weak side but all classes and all build have a weak against something
and u can craft a elemental belt with 10% evasion and refine it, it's more magical def and more evasion in same time !

it's not a post for tell if evasion is good or not, it's a post for make it good in fact and make evasion's fans happy.

aplou

The GMs could make some G12+ gears and itens with evasion %. The oinly ones are unde G12. What all you guys think about the idea?

Toliman - Raging Tide

choco972 wrote: »

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- Evasion (useless)
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Casters have evasion near 0% for physical and 0% for magical attacks.

Make it at least same as for melee classes (now).

Use Magic attribute instead dexterity for it.

Also proposition .

Regenbogen - Lost City

what are you complaining about?
half of venomancer skills are melee and with arcane armor i have kinda 35 accuracy...

and you complain about evasion? b:angry

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

what are you complaining about?
half of venomancer skills are melee and with arcane armor i have kinda 35 accuracy...

and you complain about evasion? b:angry

Lol venos have one of the largest accuracy buffs in the game.
My veno has almost 12,000 accuracy in fox form, much more than my archer.