Pole vs Axe

X_Rays - Sanctuary
X_Rays - Sanctuary Posts: 198 Arc User
edited December 2011 in Blademaster
Suppose there exists a GoF R9 pole. (I modified the spear to have the same damage as Warsoul spear)

http://pwcalc.com/d3817d1ca819f268

vs

http://pwcalc.com/ee777540578e802e

Which one you like better? b:chuckle
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  • superfeng
    superfeng Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Farstrike b:dirty
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Higher spike damage on axes and the extra 20 attack levels from the R9 set make the axes better with that setup, would only need to use the pole for Far Striking kiters.
  • X_Rays - Sanctuary
    X_Rays - Sanctuary Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    but the pole has +50 attack levels b:pleased
  • superfeng
    superfeng Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    X_Rays - Sanctuary wrote: »
    but the pole has +50 attack levels b:pleased

    lol@that
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    X_Rays - Sanctuary wrote: »
    but the pole has +50 attack levels b:pleased

    Which would even it out.. which would give the axes higher spike damage... I'M RIGHT SHUTUP OH MY GOD I HATE YOU
  • superfeng
    superfeng Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Which would even it out.. which would give the axes higher spike damage... I'M RIGHT SHUTUP OH MY GOD I HATE YOU

    lol@this too
  • X_Rays - Sanctuary
    X_Rays - Sanctuary Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Which would even it out.. which would give the axes higher spike damage... I'M RIGHT SHUTUP OH MY GOD I HATE YOU

    b:laugh 3k spike damage for 1.5m extra range and better 1v1 skills b:sin b:avoid
  • X_Rays - Harshlands
    X_Rays - Harshlands Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    3000 spike damage after pvp damage reduction of 75%, becomes 750 damage. After armor damage reduction of 80%, it becomes 150 damage. So the max zerk crit from axe does about 150*4 = 600 more damage than max zerk crit from spear in endgame pvp.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    X_Rays - Harshlands wrote: »
    3000 spike damage after pvp damage reduction of 75%, becomes 750 damage. After armor damage reduction of 80%, it becomes 150 damage. So the max zerk crit from axe does about 150*4 = 600 more damage than max zerk crit from spear in endgame pvp.

    So... you're gonna spend a crapton of money in order to get a weapon that's worse than axes for AoEing and worse than fists for 1v1? Even if they released a GoF spear that was on par with R9 axes it's doubtful they'd give it 50 attack levels, so most likely the axes would win due to attack levels anyway.

    Point is... R9 axes have good spike damage, you can launch some hard hitting AoEs with them while still having some good attack power 1v1, and if you don't wanna use your axes in a 1v1 you can always use fists. So.. even with GoF, unless the pole actually gets 50 attack levels, it'll still just be second rate and only useful for hitting kiters.
  • Testical - Harshlands
    Testical - Harshlands Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So... you're gonna spend a crapton of money in order to get a weapon that's worse than axes for AoEing and worse than fists for 1v1? Even if they released a GoF spear that was on par with R9 axes it's doubtful they'd give it 50 attack levels, so most likely the axes would win due to attack levels anyway.

    Point is... R9 axes have good spike damage, you can launch some hard hitting AoEs with them while still having some good attack power 1v1, and if you don't wanna use your axes in a 1v1 you can always use fists. So.. even with GoF, unless the pole actually gets 50 attack levels, it'll still just be second rate and only useful for hitting kiters.

    b:dirtybut poles are sexier than axe.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • X_Rays - Sanctuary
    X_Rays - Sanctuary Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So... you're gonna spend a crapton of money in order to get a weapon that's worse than axes for AoEing and worse than fists for 1v1?

    Worse than axe in AoEing, yes absolutely.

    Worse than fist in 1v1....Yes only if you use Warsoul Fist with enough interval on gear, but that'll severely cut the defense from the current rank 9 set.

    Unless they remake the rank 9 set to put intervals on it, or introduce some other interval armor that has the same defense as full rank 9, I doubt fist will ever be the best 1v1 weapon anymore.
  • Superfeng - Lost City
    Superfeng - Lost City Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    http://pwcalc.com/d72bca3eb30fffd7

    What defense loss?
    Superfeng - Level 101 Lost City Blademaster, retired.
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    X_Rays - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Worse than axe in AoEing, yes absolutely.

    Worse than fist in 1v1....Yes only if you use Warsoul Fist with enough interval on gear, but that'll severely cut the defense from the current rank 9 set.

    Unless they remake the rank 9 set to put intervals on it, or introduce some other interval armor that has the same defense as full rank 9, I doubt fist will ever be the best 1v1 weapon anymore.

    Where did I say you'd lose defense by using a pole? Anyway.. are you accounting for R8 recast fists? Or even different builds?

    Here's a build I planned out in case I ever join a faction with a faction base and manage to farm Trials and get the armor and weapon.

    My fist build: http://pwcalc.com/31752c60edc597eb

    3.33 APS with 65 attack levels (it wouldn't let me put the attack levels on the fists, not sure why, so just assume they give it).

    Raw damage of that build is 38,578.05-39,830.13 per second

    Your build: http://pwcalc.com/d3817d1ca819f268

    1 APS with 105 attack levels

    Raw damage of that build is 13169-16412 per second. You've got 40 attack levels more and God of Frenzy... Yeah, the spear's gonna hurt when it procs, but it doesn't seem like it'd out DD the fists auto attacking. Now, if you're gonna skill spam then yeah, the pole's the better choice because it's got better skills to use and has GoF, but I'm sure the fists would out DD GoF pole skill spam, so.. while the pole's good for skill spam it won't beat a top of the line fist weapon in terms of damage output.

    If you wanna math it up and get super detailed in damage output by factoring in the attack levels and giving exact numbers then by all means, do it, I can't be bothered at the moment because I'm really tired. Just seems to me that even with GoF and the attack levels that R8 recast fists would be superior even to a maxxed out pole like that. If you can prove me wrong go for it.
  • Divine_Death - Harshlands
    Divine_Death - Harshlands Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Superfeng - Lost City wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.com/d72bca3eb30fffd7

    What defense loss?

    http://pwcalc.com/2df64f4e0d537ca5
    This defense loss.
  • Superfeng - Lost City
    Superfeng - Lost City Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    about 20 more defense lvls,

    to deal with the pdef, mdef

    http://pwcalc.com/ce6663d5e4766966
    Superfeng - Level 101 Lost City Blademaster, retired.

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