Demon Ironwood Scarb

CarefulIBite - Raging Tide

I'm sure the answer to this is yes but do mobs includeing bosses have a defense system based off of armor/magic resist? If so does that mean that demon iron wood scarb could be better then a sage amp veno?

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Yes, they do have physical defense/magic resistance (check pwdatabase for details on each mob/boss.) Demon Ironwood Scarab's great, if it happens to proc... but you can get the same effect at about the same rate from either myriad rainbow (plus the possibility of a mind break, which you can't get from demon Ironwood), and sage/level 10 Ironwood Scarab + level 10 Tangling Mire on a high str genie give nearly the same pdef reduction much more reliably.

Aijou - Harshlands

One isn't necessarily better than the other because they stack - so they're both awesome.
If you're in the process of choosing a path (sage vs demon) then sage amp would be the better way to go as it is a 100% chance of working.

Demon ironwood is incredible in PVE and PVP (especially when paired with a nix) but sadly only has a 20% success rate.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

Both are good , though as a demon , relying on D. Ironwood proc alone wont just do it , ull have to combine it with Myriads and Demon Amplify.

Both culti choices are reliable and very rewarding. just 2 thing i want to point out.

1) get the sage/demon amplify . Sage increases the dmg done , Demon increases the duration , both are good and imo must-haves for any veno
2) Get ironwood scarab as well. for Demon , even if the armor break doesnt proc , the increased damage is so higher than lvl 10 , that u can actually cover some dmg loss fro mthe debuff.

Have fun

CyanideTail - Heavens Tear

If you like the damage put Howl on your pet, I have it in all pets. Even at lvl 1 decrease magical defence with 20% and its working on bosses too, I tested yesterday in TT2-3. I'm pure mag veno so the ideea is: amp > switch to human form> demon spark and same time press Howl at pet> then go wild :P
Also Howl is good for that anoying Magical resisting mobs

Syedora - Sanctuary

Demon Ironwood cannot be compared to Amplify Damage because they work in different ways. Ironwood only applies for physical defence which, therefore, benefits those who deal physical attack. On the other hand, Amplify benefits any type of damage dealt.

As a Demon Venomancer here's my expenrience;

I generally have a genie that's built specifically for debuff purposes. It has Extreme Poison and Tangling Mire along with a lot of points in Dex (and some in Str but I don't quite remember, been a while since I last checked) yo make them last longer/have stronger effect. That goes along with Pierce, Howl, (on pet) which I use after Demon Ironwood and both Myriads.

What I basically do is; fox form -> (d. crush vigor, sometimes) ->d. amplify damage -> myriad rainbow fox -> extreme poison -> tangling mire -> fox form -> myriad rainbow human -> d. ironwood ( + pet debuffs) -> d. venomous (for my own skills) and -> d. parasitic nova (when ready, after BM hf if there is any) /whatever scarab is available.

That's the route I follow..so as you can see I fully utilize whatever debuff is available for me as a Vemonacer and as a Demon.

Sage increases the dmg done , Demon increases the duration , both are good and imo must-haves for any veno

Just a common misconception about Demon Amplify here XD lvl10 Amplify is 20% more damage, Sage is 30% and Demon is 25% plus 6 seconds longer in duration which in the end results in 4% difference in favor of Sage, as proved by Solandri. It's PWI's fault though for bad skill descriptions.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

Syedora - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just a common misconception about Demon Amplify here XD lvl10 Amplify is 20% more damage, Sage is 30% and Demon is 25% plus 6 seconds longer in duration which in the end results in 4% difference in favor of Sage, as proved by Solandri. It's PWI's fault though for bad skill descriptions.

I was aware of that before ( my bad i did not mention it)

though in Nirvanas , when bosses are killed in a matter of seconds ( well most are under a minute. Duration doesnt really play a big role , so there that 5% more dmg is a bit different.
Still we agree that both lvl 11 versions are better than lvl 10 and should be aquired

Desdi - Sanctuary

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I was aware of that before ( my bad i did not mention it)

though in Nirvanas , when bosses are killed in a matter of seconds ( well most are under a minute. Duration doesnt really play a big role , so there that 5% more dmg is a bit different.
Still we agree that both lvl 11 versions are better than lvl 10 and should be aquired

Well...sometimes they don't even need our debuffs lol. Each one of them has an advantage depending on occasion but yeah, Sage one for Nirvana has an advantage.

And by the way, I hope my remark didn't sound mean or anything.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

Nope not at all.

Wish people would respect casters a bit more , this APS thing is getting boring ( quit my sin cause of it)

Desdi - Sanctuary

Mhm indeed..most of the people I know find APS extremely boring actually but they force themselves for the sake of money XD