Clerics more than just healers?

l3x5u5

So I was thinking a cleric has some pretty strong skills and some awesome debuffs so can't they fill in the role as DD? and about PVP I heard some clerics pure magic build and do so nice whooping what do yo think?b:laughb:victory

Manostra - Harshlands

The Damage over Time is **** as cleric even with very decent gear. DD's are meant to deal lots of damage over time.

But ofc clerics can act as DD, but given the skill level between 2 people is simillar a class that was meant to be a DD will always outperform a Cleric.


Above that, the biggest stepstone to be a dd are your fellow Co Players. Youre a Cleric, you are the Heal and Debuff ***** and ocassionally allowed to sleep someone and thats it. Do not metal mage, even if its a good idea to kill that enemy 2 hit cleric in about 4 seconds whos aout ressurecting some r9 that will fall in your teams back , dont do it just let it happen because you know youre the ****ing healer b:chuckle

So no clerics are not allowed to be metal mages POINT

BladedZero - Sanctuary

l3x5u5 wrote: »

So I was thinking a cleric has some pretty strong skills and some awesome debuffs so can't they fill in the role as DD? and about PVP I heard some clerics pure magic build and do so nice whooping what do yo think?b:laughb:victory

Clerics have some amazing abilities in PvE, however do realize if some dies while you're there casting your fancy little metal skill... it was probably your fault. I've actually left dungeon runs because 100+ clerics wouldn't even try to heal me.

Aizza - Harshlands

BladedZero - Sanctuary wrote: »

Clerics have some amazing abilities in PvE, however do realize if some dies while you're there casting your fancy little metal skill... it was probably your fault. I've actually left dungeon runs because 100+ clerics wouldn't even try to heal me.

Clerics need to understand that being a healer is a GOOD thing. You not only heal, but give us VERY important buffs, and of course purify when necessary. You have skills to slow mobs, sleep mobs and that helps considerably w/ CC (crowd control).

Doubt Clerics are important to the game? Head to a noob zone where lower lvls are struggling and heal/buff them - I do this all the time on my smaller Cleric. Most times they are so close to dying or barely hanging in there.

It's not about being THE most important one in the squad, it's simply about playing your role the best you can and understanding how your class fits into the equation.

l3x5u5

Aizza - Harshlands wrote: »

Clerics need to understand that being a healer is a GOOD thing. You not only heal, but give us VERY important buffs, and of course purify when necessary. You have skills to slow mobs, sleep mobs and that helps considerably w/ CC (crowd control).

Doubt Clerics are important to the game? Head to a noob zone where lower lvls are struggling and heal/buff them - I do this all the time on my smaller Cleric. Most times they are so close to dying or barely hanging in there.

It's not about being THE most important one in the squad, it's simply about playing your role the best you can and understanding how your class fits into the equation.

Thanks a whole lot Aizza you really helped me realize that even thou I can I shouldn'tb:chuckle but I have another question how are cleric's in PVP and soloing?

Aizza - Harshlands

l3x5u5 wrote: »

Thanks a whole lot Aizza you really helped me realize that even thou I can I shouldn'tb:chuckle but I have another question how are cleric's in PVP and soloing?

This depends.

PvP: Understand the other classes, their builds, and how their armor / skills come into play. This is very important because you need to understand how to counteract anything they can throw at you as well as be able to quickly realize weaknesses.

Example - my Sin has high HP, high PDef and high attack, but - I've not tended to her Magic Def as well, so I try to magic based class hits. If you looked at my gear, understood my build, then you'd know how to attack and counter me. It's much like this.


PvE: Same. Each instance has rules, each mob has rules. Understand them, then create your plan of attack. My veno, my sin, would definatly take a different approach to say mobs in FC.

To me, there is no cut and dry response. I have one of each class independent from my main account, and I lvl them slower to understand each class. When I take them into instances to solo, I actually approach them differently.

To my surprise my 84 Psy w/ NPC Gear was able to tank my Cleric's 89 Culti Bosses & help her with her dig quests and her FB. But the bulk of the work was on the cleric since she was supporting the Psy through heals.

If you ask me - it's not so much the class that sets the limitations as much as it is the player. So, think outside the box....

Allisandre - Sanctuary

the only real issue my cleric has in PvP is archers and stealthed Sins. (though truly, I can't come across many seekers yet.)

In the PvE realm, When doing things like BH89, If I don't have to sit and heal, I'll take aggro unless there's a 5.0, and even then I might still get it for a moment. Tanking isn't an issue.

It's all about how you gear your character, and how you play. The latter having a great deal to do with your knowledge of in-game mechanics and the abilities and weaknesses of the other classes.

Hell, I'm still working on getting R8 gear and I'm taking down R9's.

Mythsoul - Heavens Tear

As a cleric I mixed heals and DD. Although keep in mind this was over 2 years ago, my additional DD actually mattered.

Pointing being, anyone can heal, I consider mixing heals and DD a step up from the conventional cleric.

doitmuku

Clerics have some amazing abilities in PvE, however do realize if some dies while you're there casting your fancy little metal skill... it was probably your fault. I've actually left dungeon runs because 100+ clerics wouldn't even try to heal me.

hmm.. dont blame on cleric... if u r 100++ too... do sumthing bout ur self... n even u die as long as cleric life he/she can revive u... b:laugh

Yami_ - Dreamweaver

The best players for PVP with Cleric are the ones that have PATIENCE. Clerics can't 1hit kill things (unless It critic), but you should "tire" your opponents and don't spend your sleep like a freaking morron.

Like Aizza said, Clerics can be good in PVP if you know what youre doing.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

BladedZero - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've actually left dungeon runs because 100+ clerics wouldn't even try to heal me.

This... boys and girls... is what an absolute fail BM looks like.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The best players for PVP with Cleric are the ones that have PATIENCE. Clerics can't 1hit kill things (unless It critic), but you should "tire" your opponents and don't spend your sleep like a freaking morron.

Like Aizza said, Clerics can be good in PVP if you know what youre doing.

What do you mean cleric's can't 1 hit things? Demon sparked Demon Thunder or Demon Tempest will 1 non-crit shot almost any non-arcaine class. Exceptions are barbs of course and people with r8/r9 high refines. I 1 shot a r8 +10 Bm a few days ago with a demon sparked Thunder, he had 9k hp I did 12k damage noncrit.

Yes Patience is important for any class in PvP running out like a mad man makes you an easy target for anyone. But truthfully on my cleric I fear 4 things in this order 1)Archers (getting high phys damage from outside my own range sucks) 2)Psys (they just suck) 3) R9 barbs (yet to take one down because of their hp/def lvls b:surrender but I've given a few alot of charm ticks) 4)5 aps sins that sit in stealth till they can try and gank you (they usually fail because I have great genie and pots but they are really annoying)

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

BladedZero - Sanctuary wrote: »

Clerics have some amazing abilities in PvE, however do realize if some dies while you're there casting your fancy little metal skill... it was probably your fault. I've actually left dungeon runs because 100+ clerics wouldn't even try to heal me.

+1 to that lol

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

Oh yeah like we need DD clerics in tw... hmmmb:chuckle

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Circumstance dependent. There isn't better dd; there's different DD. All classes are dd and tank, and some prefer debuffs and dd asssistance on bosses to outside heals.

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear

Just be a pro full mag cleric that goes afk melee hitting frag boss in FF like I've seen. I always ask her to come on runs with me in the future.

I wouldn't bother with trying to be a pure DD cleric, 100% of the time a cleric is called into a squad to heal, you would probably get insta-kicked if you said you don't heal you're a DD. If you want to DD & heal... make a Mystic, we rule

Edit: Yeah cleric are not bad in PVP.

Departed - Sanctuary

I hit rather hard on my cleric but i'd rather debuff and heal the squad for 90% success rate for the things that i do rather then attempting to join in on DDing and more then likely getting people killed.

(there are times that i do allow people to die for being stupid...)


I went demon for the speed and extra power to boost my healing ability i don't really care about PK / PvP because in most cases i'm being owned by someone's wallet rather then their skill with their character.


I've seen too many clerics with a total disregard to the squad and an absolute lack of understand of what the hell they should be doing....

over 60% of cleric skills are supportive in nature the 40% left is for our personal use while grinding out the next lvl..


Edit: Squad based PK such as TW and or group pk battles are fun but still find myself supporting the squad members then attempting to kill on my own.. you ever try taking on a 30k HP barb solo.... its not pretty...

Arenaceous - Lost City

Fighting clerics in PvP is like the most annoying thing ever (except for sins of course..). You get sleep, cleric debuffs and stacks heals, maybe 3 spark, attack. If you don't die you get Seal Of God on you, cleric gets chi, debuffs, stacks heals. By the Time SoG ran out, Sleep is ready. zZz zZz zZz...

PriestRain - Raging Tide

Departed - Sanctuary wrote: »

I went demon for the speed and extra power to boost my healing ability...

Only thing demon is better then sage is in spirit's gift and whield thunder, everything else is pretty equal..


At thread,

Yeah u can be DD cleric, but, that is so 2008 lol. We don't have alot of dding skills at our disposal, but some of them are really nice if used propertly. Tho debuffing bosses do much better effect then our dd powers.

About pvp u should learn about (unless u already know - sorry i don't see ur lvl) type of gears, and type of skills ur oponent has. Everything else will become clear to u when u learn that b:cute

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

well >_> looks like they want to add a total metal mage DD skill in the next update ...if anyone saw the skill threads

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I wouldn't bother with trying to be a pure DD cleric, 100% of the time a cleric is called into a squad to heal, you would probably get insta-kicked if you said you don't heal you're a DD. If you want to DD & heal... make a Mystic, we rule

On the contrary... I would instant kick a cleric if s/he does not DD (certain exceptions could probably be made for BB). A heal every now and then is nice and all... but damn it... if you are in my squad... make yourself useful.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

On the contrary... I would instant kick a cleric if s/he does not DD (certain exceptions could probably be made for BB). A heal every now and then is nice and all... but damn it... if you are in my squad... make yourself useful.

Yeah... right. You kick a cleric from squad for not DDing, then its almost guaranteed that the rest of the squad will abandon you... particularly seeing how its so hard nowadays to find a Cleric in the first place. b:bye

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yeah... right. You kick a cleric from squad for not DDing, then its almost guaranteed that the rest of the squad will abandon you... particularly seeing how its so hard nowadays to find a Cleric in the first place. b:bye

That's assuming my squad actually needed a cleric to begin with. Now with a non-random squad... I have even started to do BH metal without BB. Why would I need a cleric to heal when non is needed? Just a waste of space if you (anyone) ask me.

Shadowphreak - Lost City

l3x5u5 wrote: »

So I was thinking a cleric has some pretty strong skills and some awesome debuffs so can't they fill in the role as DD? and about PVP I heard some clerics pure magic build and do so nice whooping what do yo think?b:laughb:victory

I have a high lvl Cleric alt on my second account (and barb), its vital to buffing my main sin as well as healing/ resurrecting during HH solo runs.

However playing a cleric as a main is ancient history, much like every other class aside from Sins, BM's, and Mystics. b:sad

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

On the contrary... I would instant kick a cleric if s/he does not DD (certain exceptions could probably be made for BB). A heal every now and then is nice and all... but damn it... if you are in my squad... make yourself useful.

Maybe you are the reason it takes so long to find clerics on HT then... When I was leveling my cleric I always stacked heals on the tank then debuffed and DD'd but often enough I was told "do my job and heal" so I healed.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yeah... right. You kick a cleric from squad for not DDing, then its almost guaranteed that the rest of the squad will abandon you... particularly seeing how its so hard nowadays to find a Cleric in the first place. b:bye

Exactly.

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

To answer op's question I present you a quote from another thread.

Skill 1: Transforms cleric into a metal mage, all healing skills become unusable and max HP will drop by 10% Increases weapon damage by 40 to 80% depending on soul force.

Skill 1 upgrade: Transforms cleric into a metal mage, all healing skills become, Increases weapon damage by 60 to 100% depending on soul force.

Skill 2: Usable whilst in metal mage form. Curses your target to reducing all healing effects, including charms, by 15% of base damage plus 675 HP. Skill is stackable up to a maximum of 180,000 HP depending on soul force.

Skill 4: Inflict a debuff on your target causing them to 15% additional critical hit damage.

Skill 5: Buffs your target to heal 50% max HP if target would take a killing hit. Lasts 8 seconds.

Skill 6: No experience loss upon death.

Skill 7: Usable whilst in metal mage form. Inflict a debuff on your target causing them to take physical damage equal to your base magic attack each time they attack or use a skill, lasts 1 minute.

Shadowphreak - Lost City

Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »

To answer op's question I present you a quote from another thread.

Skill 1: Transforms cleric into a metal mage, all healing skills become unusable and max HP will drop by 10% Increases weapon damage by 40 to 80% depending on soul force.

Skill 1 upgrade: Transforms cleric into a metal mage, all healing skills become, Increases weapon damage by 60 to 100% depending on soul force.

Skill 2: Usable whilst in metal mage form. Curses your target to reducing all healing effects, including charms, by 15% of base damage plus 675 HP. Skill is stackable up to a maximum of 180,000 HP depending on soul force.

Skill 4: Inflict a debuff on your target causing them to 15% additional critical hit damage.

Skill 5: Buffs your target to heal 50% max HP if target would take a killing hit. Lasts 8 seconds.

Skill 6: No experience loss upon death.

Skill 7: Usable whilst in metal mage form. Inflict a debuff on your target causing them to take physical damage equal to your base magic attack each time they attack or use a skill, lasts 1 minute.

Skill 6 is the best I've heard. If it can be cast on squad members even better. You'll see a million clerics come back out of the woodworks.

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

Shadowphreak - Lost City wrote: »

Skill 6 is the best I've heard. If it can be cast on squad members even better. You'll see a million clerics come back out of the woodworks.

Yea our very own soulburn, that's gonna be perfect for all aps lol. I'm kinda annoyed that Mystics get a aoe revive but hey, clerics get double damage mode! Woot! (At the price of not being able to heal self, good thing my endgame goal is 15k hp, can rely on a charm)

Edit: Oh you said 6, meh demon/sage revive come with no exp lost already, anyone below the levels of those revives don't have the right to complain about exp with all the new ways to speed level. It's most important for the clerics who dont get a res for themselves in squads, you selfish selfish beast you...

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MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just be a pro full mag cleric that goes afk melee hitting frag boss in FF like I've seen. I always ask her to come on runs with me in the future.

I wouldn't bother with trying to be a pure DD cleric, 100% of the time a cleric is called into a squad to heal, you would probably get insta-kicked if you said you don't heal you're a DD. If you want to DD & heal... make a Mystic, we rule

Edit: Yeah cleric are not bad in PVP.

100% of the time is absolute. Most of the time I'm looking for a cleric for revives (cause sometimes a squad member will just lay there expecting sympathy), buffs (cause I hate mp potting), and (cause cleric's mag def debuff is sweet, and it's pdef isn't bad either). Healing is something clerics tend to do too much of, and too much of it is expected from them. Why sit there spam healing a wannabe tank when we can kill solo faster?

Mekkhala - Lost City

The question isn't "can a cleric deal damage." The question should be "do other classes do it better?"

And the answer to the latter is "yes."


Edit: And I'm referring to us ep's before the update. I have no idea what we'll be like after we get the new skills.

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Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »

The question isn't "can a cleric deal damage." The question should be "do other classes do it better?"

And the answer to the latter is "yes."

-ignorant of debuffs, matk buff, -ch buff, heaven's wrath (under rated), ch/casting speeds, and metal on wood.