Veno without herc , still playable 100+ ?

LadySam - Raging Tide

Is veno without herc still playble 100+ , and does it worth it to play if i don`t have herc ? b:sad

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Herc becomes kinda obsolete in parties at high levels. It can't hold aggro from any APS tank so is only used for its DD. Most parties just want the veno to lure, bramble, amp, and purge. Herc is still good if you're soloing.

Lady_Zam - Lost City

Even more so now than ever. Herc isn't the most useful pet in caster nirvana and in any decently fast normal nirvana squad pets usually aren't even needed. Still, useful for BH and solo farming I suppose.

Vixter - Harshlands

herc is the best for soloing TT or even if you are the tank of a small party of TT (which most the time can hold aggro if you dont have a sin, aps bm, or barb in your squad xD)

but in full parties for TT, nirv, etc, yea the herc is just like any other pet, it wont be tanking, only there to give extra dmg.

krisnda

Plus if it dies, you have to feed it's expensive tastes. ><

LadySam - Raging Tide

Krisnda wrote: »

Plus if it dies, you have to feed it's expensive tastes. ><

If some1 can afford herc then he`ll be able to feed him ... It`s like - If you buy Hammer then you can afford to pay for gas ..

Vindis - Dreamweaver

If a veno does their job in squad (purging, amping, luring, debuffing) then of course they will be wanted. They really are better DDs than people make them out to be. In the past, people just relied too much on hercs and now the lack of venos makes it hard to change peoples minds.

Ill take a veno over another bm/sin any day.

Sereneai - Dreamweaver

I don't invite a veno because she has (or doesn't have) a herc. I invite venos because they can bramble/amp/purge/ironwood/etc, and because I like venos b:surrender the pet they use doesn't particularly factor in, most of the time.

Edit: also, as pets go hercs don't have terribly good damage, and are unlikely to be tanking in a squad at 100+ anyway.

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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Herc becomes kinda obsolete in parties at high levels. It can't hold aggro from any APS tank so is only used for its DD. Most parties just want the veno to lure, bramble, amp, and purge. Herc is still good if you're soloing.

Some of us venos don't like following melee around waiting for them to attack before we even start to soul degeneration, amp, ironwood. Herc can hold aggro from mid aps on [?] and influenced on how hard reflect is hitting. Luring is almost useless: I often make squads and I NEVER consider getting a veno to lure. I would rather have a veno with a Herc that knew how to use it than one with bramble and purge for most occasions.

Vixter - Harshlands wrote: »

herc is the best for soloing TT or even if you are the tank of a small party of TT (which most the time can hold aggro if you dont have a sin, aps bm, or barb in your squad xD)

but in full parties for TT, nirv, etc, yea the herc is just like any other pet, it wont be tanking, only there to give extra dmg.

The less healing and attention you have to give to your pet while getting hit with AoE's: the more dd'ing you can do.

Krisnda wrote: »

Plus if it dies, you have to feed it's expensive tastes. ><

I get those tastes faster than I can use them, and they're extremely cheaper than they used to be.

Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If a veno does their job in squad (purging, amping, luring, debuffing) then of course they will be wanted. They really are better DDs than people make them out to be. In the past, people just relied too much on hercs and now the lack of venos makes it hard to change peoples minds.

Ill take a veno over another bm/sin any day.

I've been saying veno is good dd a long time now, and agree there; but if I'm expected to have 5 aps and +10 on my assassin for Nirvana: I want to see a comparable level of equips on a veno, and that includes a Herc.

Veno is not that great for debuff. My barb's lvl 10 devour is better than my veno's L11 ironwood, and barb has patk buff. Amp is nice, but it's not like sins and bms don't have amps themselves.

Most venos are deadbeats. Nub Venos or any caster in Nirvana cause boss migrations which break permasparks and dmg. I've played veno more than any other class and totally understand how capable it is, but most venos suck so bad that I cringe when adding a random one to a squad. There's a logical explanation for this phenomenon: many fail players were told to roll venos because they are the richest class, and easy to play.

Nine_Lives - Raging Tide

on the subject of aps nirvy btw, it does not hurt to ask if you can use your pets or not with your squad though. some squads are already too traumatized or too haughty seeing a pet even if it is for debuffing like a kowlin.

i know some well versed venos can go around with that problem but with level 100+ goon babies roaming around with rank gear and no skills, it gives us a bad rep.

turg14

thumbs wrote: »

many fail players were told to roll venos because they are the richest class, and easy to play.

Yeah I dont get is the easiest and the most failed at :P

Bellarie - Raging Tide

LadySam - Raging Tide wrote: »

If some1 can afford herc then he`ll be able to feed him ... It`s like - If you buy Hammer then you can afford to pay for gas ..

Not necessarily. I have a herc myself. I didn't actually shell out mega bucks for my herc; my boyfriend opened a few of those special chests they sometimes sell in the cash shop, and ended up getting a herc ticket. So it's no longer safe to assume that everyone buys their herc for low, nor is it safe to assume that all herc owners, even those who did shell out mega bucks, can afford cookies often. I'm often broke for money as I'm in the process of getting my demon skill books, which is quite costly, and learning them is also another large coin sink. Not to mention how much I'm gonna have to shell out for the tinders I'll need for my Lunar armor.

That being said, on topic, a herc is nice for solo purposes, but with the removal of fairy boxes in the only worthwhile solo-able TT's, a herc isn't all that important, even for tanking purposes. I usually ahve my Gnome Saboteur out instead(he's my main pet) and I do just fine.

DryadLaFey - Sanctuary

Bellarie - Raging Tide wrote: »

Not necessarily. I have a herc myself. I didn't actually shell out mega bucks for my herc; my boyfriend opened a few of those special chests they sometimes sell in the cash shop, and ended up getting a herc ticket. So it's no longer safe to assume that everyone buys their herc for low, nor is it safe to assume that all herc owners, even those who did shell out mega bucks, can afford cookies often. I'm often broke for money as I'm in the process of getting my demon skill books, which is quite costly, and learning them is also another large coin sink. Not to mention how much I'm gonna have to shell out for the tinders I'll need for my Lunar armor.

That being said, on topic, a herc is nice for solo purposes, but with the removal of fairy boxes in the only worthwhile solo-able TT's, a herc isn't all that important, even for tanking purposes. I usually ahve my Gnome Saboteur out instead(he's my main pet) and I do just fine.

My herc does quite well in tt 1-3 squad mode and the drop rate of fairy boxes is pretty good.

To the OP, if you've made it to 100 and haven't gotten a herc, you will probably be fine without one unless you feel like soloing or bramble grinding (gather mobs with brambled herc and kill pick them off as he holds them all) with your veno. Although the herc is more likely to survive a pull than other pets, everyone wants to pull with their genies these days (fyi, pet pulls don't cause as many bad pulls as genies but meh, no one cares). No one at 100 is going to ask your herc to tank. In nirvana the herc is dead more often than not, as is any other pet I pull out for added damage. Herc (or any ground pet) is useless in TW. So, if you've made it to 100 and haven't gotten a herc and you want a legendary pet, get a nix. They rock in TW, pvp and will add more dd to your own for things like events and base quest (although it's still fun to gather all the lizards and let them kill themselves on herc's bramble while I pick them off)

Sinfullness - Dreamweaver

I love to work with venos dosnt matter what pet the have aslong as they know how to use its skillz. for running mobs I love to have the venos pet go in first and then I can pick them off stunnig them and such. They can save a cleric from heal agro if they keep a eye out for it. Like with any class you have fail venos and pro veno. Its not the pet, it's the player skill to control the toon and knowlage of the game/instance.

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Sinfullness - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I love to work with venos dosnt matter what pet the have aslong as they know how to use its skillz. for running mobs I love to have the venos pet go in first and then I can pick them off stunnig them and such. They can save a cleric from heal agro if they keep a eye out for it. Like with any class you have fail venos and pro veno. Its not the pet, it's the player skill to control the toon and knowlage of the game/instance.

That sounds like saying you like Barbs regardless of armor, or clerics regardless of strength of heals because of their skillz.

You will be discriminated against in pve just for being veno. Moreso for not taking the class serious enough to get a Herc.

There isn't much you can do to make the game unplayable; it's more a matter of how much you can do in the game. -Not having a Herc severely limits that.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

Not all arcane venos out there afford a full r8/r9 set + high grade garnets so they can tank phys things without a herc. So I say it's important to the most regardless of the level.

Concerning squads there's little use for a tank that can't hold aggro but certain pets have decent damage numbers on their own and may have decent debuffs (pierce/howl - 36% defense reduction at lvl5) in order to make damage dealers deal more damage or to make melee squishies such as sins and fish archers die less frequently (threaten - 36% physical attack power decrease at lvl5). Important to mention a pet skill must never be used to override sage ironwood, myriad rainbow/demon ironwood whenever they succeed, devour (barb skill) or glacial spike (bm skill).

fromdarkness

What i realy have to say here is that there are other pets which have the potential to substitude 4 the herc and noone considers them.

My Glacial Walker has a full set of buffs (Strong, Protect, Bless) and is as good as a tank as that yellow ugly. People these days just take the easier way through dollars to get a decent pet and noone thinks of good old-fashioned farming to reach ur goal. If you want to safe money farm Dragonpalace for the skillscrolls and get urself a good tankpet, then you wont need a Herc at 100+.

I realy hate it if i want to join a squad and the 1st question is "got a herc" and than read "no? Then no thx"... thats totaly stupid but people these days dont wanna think about alternatives so the easy way is the only way possible. Sad but true.

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fromdarkness wrote: »

My Glacial Walker has a full set of buffs (Strong, Protect, Bless) and is as good as a tank as that yellow ugly. People these days just take the easier way through dollars to get a decent pet and noone thinks of good old-fashioned farming to reach ur goal. If you want to safe money farm Dragonpalace for the skillscrolls and get urself a good tankpet, then you wont need a Herc at 100+..

You wasted your potential coin and ability on a far inferior pet. Don't need to steer others down that path.

Regenbogen - Lost City

venomacers pwis awesome soloing class...

endgame pve:
herc dies 1-2 hit from most bosses or even just from their aoe...
the mats you can get from soloing tt squad are way 2 cheap to get rich anymore...
a 5aps can do more bosses and is way faster...

endgame pvp:
nix dies instantly to almost any "normal"(nv|r8+10) equipted class in pvp...
its damage is to small to poesses a real threat...
neverless the stun bothers some people...

->pointless to get these pets - why do you think they threw out nix and herc cards with packs?

GET r9 +12 INSTEAD like all other classes do or reroll a sin...b:kiss

Nine_Lives - Raging Tide

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

venomacers pwis awesome soloing class...

endgame pve:
herc dies 1-2 hit from most bosses or even just from their aoe...
the mats you can get from soloing tt squad are way 2 cheap to get rich anymore...
a 5aps can do more bosses and is way faster...

endgame pvp:
nix dies instantly to almost any "normal"(nv|r8+10) equipted class in pvp...
its damage is to small to poesses a real threat...
neverless the stun bothers some people...

->pointless to get these pets - why do you think they threw out nix and herc cards with packs?

GET r9 +12 INSTEAD like all other classes do or reroll a sin...b:kiss

you do know how still sucky our class compares to others even with r9 +12in pvp right (only class with full JOSD and +12 gear and still be 1-2 shot by other casters and archers of the same refine, gears and rank)

On the practical side a farming sin is the way to go....but then it may bore you to death though. (permaspark+autoattack=brainfry)

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Nine_Lives - Raging Tide wrote: »

you do know how still sucky our class compares to others even with r9 +12in pvp right (only class with full JOSD and +12 gear and still be 1-2 shot by other casters and archers of the same refine, gears and rank)

On the practical side a farming sin is the way to go....but then it may bore you to death though. (permaspark+autoattack=brainfry)

Talking about farming or pvp? If you can afford a sin capable of decent farming: you shouldn't really need to farm. -lol. There are some fail venos getting into 5 aps nirvana squads simply for the over rated sage amp that only works on half the bosses. Some of these venos have spent ~1/10 on their toon as a 5aps +10.

I farmed for my more expensive assassin with my veno, and my veno is still as profitable. Some people just need to get their head out of Nirvana.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

Sinfullness - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I love to work with venos dosnt matter what pet the have aslong as they know how to use its skillz. for running mobs I love to have the venos pet go in first and then I can pick them off stunning them and such. They can save a cleric from heal agro if they keep a eye out for it. Like with any class you have fail venos and pro veno. Its not the pet, it's the player skill to control the toon and knowlage of the game/instance.

This ^^

+1

I've seen venos with glacials do it right, and ones with Hercs do it wrong, so as Sinfulness said, its about the players skill and knowledge of the gain...not what pet they have...what they can afford to get, etc. If they can play their class well, or are willing to learn and play to the best of their ability, thats what matters.

Sidenote: Long time no see Ness. Congrats on level 100 man.

b:laughb:victory