SS -int or 20 Atk Level -int?

Traz - Dreamweaver
Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
edited December 2011 in General Discussion
I'm at a loss. I am thinking SS -int has the edge but I'm not sure if the most consistent 20 atk levels would do more damage over all (and also if I'm solo'ing and done have full amps to power dash with the SS, 20 atk level might be better).

thoughts / archers want to do some math?
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  • EIvemage - Dreamweaver
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    well idk the proc rate of ss but unless its higher than 20% the 20 att levels will be better (i assume 20 att lvls-> +20% damage ?). also ss makes u lose hp so id always go with the att levels (for pve atleast)
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    well idk the proc rate of ss but unless its higher than 20% the 20 att levels will be better (i assume 20 att lvls-> +20% damage ?). also ss makes u lose hp so id always go with the att levels (for pve atleast)

    That's what I was thinking.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    20 attack levels takes you from 30 attack lev (with jones blessing) up to 50 attack lev, 15.3% more damage.

    If the sac strike has a higher than 15% proc rate it will have higher dps. It naturally has higher spike damage.

    The big benefit of having 20 attack lev instead is no 5% hp cost and higher minimum damage on skills.
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    20 attack levels takes you from 30 attack lev (with jones blessing) up to 50 attack lev, 15.3% more damage.

    If the sac strike has a higher than 15% proc rate it will have higher dps. It naturally has higher spike damage.

    The big benefit of having 20 attack lev instead is no 5% hp cost and higher minimum damage on skills.

    I've been testing SS cala axes and GoF poleaxe for barb. From all the data i gathered SS is 15% and GoF is 20%.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I've been testing SS cala axes and GoF poleaxe for barb. From all the data i gathered SS is 15% and GoF is 20%.

    Doesn't sound like much difference in DPS then. SS would be better for PVP though but for PVE +20 attack lev gives similar DPS and better healing.
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Doesn't sound like much difference in DPS then. SS would be better for PVP though but for PVE +20 attack lev gives similar DPS and better healing.

    Which is why I initially was going to keep the roll, my sin doesn't pk. :D



    PS that was one re-roll b:avoid
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I've been testing SS cala axes and GoF poleaxe for barb. From all the data i gathered SS is 15% and GoF is 20%.
    Interesting. I've heard tell SS has a 20% proc rate, while GoF has a 30%
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Interesting. I've heard tell SS has a 20% proc rate, while GoF has a 30%

    Interesting.

    I think that the proc rate is built into the weapon.

    Revenge might proc 8% of the time on my Poleblade. It might proc 15% of the time on my fists.
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Interesting.

    I think that the proc rate is built into the weapon.

    Revenge might proc 8% of the time on my Poleblade. It might proc 15% of the time on my fists.

    pwdatabase guy WILL look into it, but he's busy with school so he needs a week or two he told me. At their current system, I don't see how this is true.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    GoF for axes was 20-21% last time I tested (1000+ hits). I assume Traz tested daggers?

    Any Archer bored enough to test purge vs adv purge? I wana know if I should bother recasting my pole.
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    GoF for axes was 20-21% last time I tested (1000+ hits). I assume Traz tested daggers?

    Any Archer bored enough to test purge vs adv purge? I wana know if I should bother recasting my pole.

    Poleaxe / Cala axes. When I make wife's lunar daggers and get SS i'll test them. I got 20 atk lvls -int on first try. b:surrender
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  • Pytharia - Sanctuary
    Pytharia - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    link it b:surrender
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Pytharia - Sanctuary wrote: »
    link it b:surrender

    link what :x
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  • ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver
    ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver Posts: 458 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    link what :x

    The daggers
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The daggers

    http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/849/g15dags.png

    didn't think it was really needed for the thread but ok b:surrender
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  • Pytharia - Sanctuary
    Pytharia - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    I just wanted to see the sexyness is all.
  • Vital_Slash - Sanctuary
    Vital_Slash - Sanctuary Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    wait..Traz..you put the almost same question in the Sins forums didn't you?...oh well

    Anywaaaay..seeing how -5% hp with like 5aps would hurt so freaking much..id say keep the +20 att lvls...I'd hate to Drop dead due to my daggers killing me...and not the mob killing me
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Vital_Slash - Sanctuary wrote: »
    wait..Traz..you put the almost same question in the Sins forums didn't you?...oh well

    Anywaaaay..seeing how -5% hp with like 5aps would hurt so freaking much..id say keep the +20 att lvls...I'd hate to Drop dead due to my daggers killing me...and not the mob killing me

    On first part, yeah I posted this thread thought about it for 3 seconds and went oh well i guess this should be in sin forums. b:surrender

    5% hp with how hard they hit really isn't as damaging as you think. There is a reason there are tons and tons of pairs on servers now.
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  • Vital_Slash - Sanctuary
    Vital_Slash - Sanctuary Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    But isnt -5% hp SS Subtract 5% of your Maximum hp with your current hp soooo
    Example : 3000 - 150 depending on Proc rate + 5 aps. Now if we put that with a bigger hp pool like 10000 - 500 +proc Rate + 5 aps...wouldn't BP have a hard time healing you?and plus if it was a long term fight...it would kill you a bit faster wouldnt it?
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Not really Vital. Don't forget that alongside 5aps, you're healing on every hit, but you're not procing SS with every hit.
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  • Ikarium - Dreamweaver
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Pssh, you forgot the sexiness factor. Super wicked high sac strike crit on triple spark/HF is super sexy.b:dirty
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Pssh, you forgot the sexiness factor. Super wicked high sac strike crit on triple spark/HF is super sexy.b:dirty

    If I pk'd on sin (or TW'd) I probably would reroll.
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  • Northern - Dreamweaver
    Northern - Dreamweaver Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    To the guy/girl talking about the hp loss from it, yes it does suck. At nearly 15k life, I can easily die doing booses that were previously easy before getting gof rank9.

    Bosses with high armor like the machine looking one with the white an black wing thingys and even the snake in nirvana for instance produce a negative amount of healing....meaning damage taken from daggers an boss are greater than bp-which is not the case with say even g13 daggers. If i'm farming an tired so not paying 100% attention-time to switch back to g13 or I might end up dead.

    Another funny moment was when our tw faction attacked another an they didn't show up, I was down to like 250 life just hitting thier crystal, I got scared I was gonna be the only death...
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Northern - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    To the guy/girl talking about the hp loss from it, yes it does suck. At nearly 15k life, I can easily die doing booses that were previously easy before getting gof rank9.

    Bosses with high armor like the machine looking one with the white an black wing thingys and even the snake in nirvana for instance produce a negative amount of healing....meaning damage taken from daggers an boss are greater than bp-which is not the case with say even g13 daggers. If i'm farming an tired so not paying 100% attention-time to switch back to g13 or I might end up dead.

    Another funny moment was when our tw faction attacked another an they didn't show up, I was down to like 250 life just hitting thier crystal, I got scared I was gonna be the only death...

    Not saying you don't take extra charm ticks, but you also wear the r9 belt and not the 2 pieces of heavy so you're 3.33.
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  • Dsholder - Dreamweaver
    Dsholder - Dreamweaver Posts: 626 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Traz's Daggers
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    I already posted SS of them >.<
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  • Ragamufinsin - Dreamweaver
    Ragamufinsin - Dreamweaver Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    someone recently got these daggers and i was thinking the possible build it woud come with http://pwcalc.com/26639d94e8679878 also the +13 dex on cape comes from +6 and +7 dex on both rings

    i would go as far as saying this would probably be the best sin pk and pve wise


    edit: change the blessing a little and its surprising the dmg u could tank http://pwcalc.com/ba66de50a7e80e76
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Ragamufinsin - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    someone recently got these daggers and i was thinking the possible build it woud come with http://pwcalc.com/26639d94e8679878 also the +13 dex on cape comes from +6 and +7 dex on both rings

    i would go as far as saying this would probably be the best sin pk and pve wise


    edit: change the blessing a little and its surprising the dmg u could tank http://pwcalc.com/ba66de50a7e80e76

    1. That roll is 1 in 800 chance (~50% * 5% * 5%) which is 5600 raptures
    2. With +12 tt99 orns and a +12 helm I have better magic resist and just about as much pdef with roughly the same HP
    3. I have the same attack levels with 0 DoTs
    4. Unless that person is sage I find that a second -int really isn't useful and I would rather have a dmg modifier
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I think that the proc rate is built into the weapon.

    Revenge might proc 8% of the time on my Poleblade. It might proc 15% of the time on my fists.

    I always thought the same thing too =/
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