Devil Chihyu vs Glacial Walker
Nycrome - Dreamweaver
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1)Which is the best pet for PvE?
2)Which is the best pet for TT?
3)The poll is an average at the 2 questions.
2)Which is the best pet for TT?
3)The poll is an average at the 2 questions.
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Veno dont need MP potions in TT like mystic does. So for TT farm I'll take Glacial Walker
The trouble with real life is that there is no danger music.0 -
Glacial Walker all the way, while the demon have 3 skills your golem can have 4 skills of your choice, the only weakness from the golem to the devil is his mvmt.
I think that the mystic summons works better than the Veno pets, they should adapt the pets for have their own MP and skill set (well they kinda have, but It doesn't have evolution if you don't pay), also for them have a different way of level up than they have now.0 -
If only you were more specific in which kind of TT you want to go. Solo mode or squad mode, and which TT instance. And would you go with a squad or not.
In my case i'd go with devil chiyu.
Current stats of my devil chiyu are:
6595 HP
3206 phys atk / 1.00 atk rate
5330 physical def
5485 magical def
6481 accuracy
216 evasion
8.0 speed
And got 3 skills, one that boosts my devil's damage, and one that stuns my target got 5 seconds.
Also my current 66 atk levels on my mystic influence my devil as well. So that means that my devil chiyu does 33% more damage on top.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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The Mystic summons are much more versatile than veno pets, you can have a summon for damage, AOE, long range damage and support (forgive me If I forgot something here).
The only thing that the Mystic summons can't do like Veno pets It's tank, but who in the world will want a Veno in a squad to tank with her pet? This can happen only at the lower levels, so unless to compare, and also It needs to be a baby hercule, while the summons you can have all of them without restriction.
When I learned to use Storm Mistress I saw how great she is, when you get a high MP poll for support her skills she rocks. I turn the auto attack of mine off and only use skills, the mob doesn't have time for reach me and I save MP with needless heals on the summon.0 -
Mystic summons aren't pets.
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Retsuko - Heavens Tear wrote: »If only you were more specific in which kind of TT you want to go. Solo mode or squad mode, and which TT instance. And would you go with a squad or not.
In my case i'd go with devil chiyu.
Current stats of my devil chiyu are:
6595 HP
3206 phys atk / 1.00 atk rate
5330 physical def
5485 magical def
6481 accuracy
216 evasion
8.0 speed
And got 3 skills, one that boosts my devil's damage, and one that stuns my target got 5 seconds.
Also my current 66 atk levels on my mystic influence my devil as well. So that means that my devil chiyu does 33% more damage on top.
The only thing there better then a walker is the HP..... http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/petstat.php
And i dont' know how well that extra HP would stack up against almost 10K defense, not to mention if you put Strong and protect on a walker (the herc buffs). The Devil may have alot more accuracy... bt even with ~1500 acc i see my walker miss like once outta 1000 times lmao...... so ya accuracy not a big deal.0 -
Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »The Mystic summons are much more versatile than veno pets, you can have a summon for damage, AOE, long range damage and support (forgive me If I forgot something here).
The only thing that the Mystic summons can't do like Veno pets It's tank, but who in the world will want a Veno in a squad to tank with her pet? This can happen only at the lower levels, so unless to compare, and also It needs to be a baby hercule, while the summons you can have all of them without restriction.
When I learned to use Storm Mistress I saw how great she is, when you get a high MP poll for support her skills she rocks. I turn the auto attack of mine off and only use skills, the mob doesn't have time for reach me and I save MP with needless heals on the summon.
Who would want a veno tanking? how bout a 90's FF group with no barb (and ya happened to get a cleric that's lagging like hell supposedly lmao)..... I had 2 BM's, a sin, and a psy and cleric.... aggro was bouncing everywhere and the cleric was jjust slow to adjust who to heal or w/e...... but my walker ended up PULLING aggro even without bashing so i said **** it, I tanked every boss. ya...... btw my walker's got herc buffs (it was a LOT cheaper when i did it, long b4 they brought out the cash shop boxes that poopoed out herc tickets peopel sold for 50 mil
still..... even if hercs were 50 mil it was still 30 mil cheaper.. but ya i prolyl woulda saved for a herc if they were 50 mil lol). 0 -
Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »The only thing there better then a walker is the HP..... http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/petstat.php
And i dont' know how well that extra HP would stack up against almost 10K defense, not to mention if you put Strong and protect on a walker (the herc buffs). The Devil may have alot more accuracy... bt even with ~1500 acc i see my walker miss like once outta 1000 times lmao...... so ya accuracy not a big deal.
3500 vs 6500 HP....
But honestly, i never tank with my pets since my mystic is a better tank.
Also it's not only the HP that's better on chiyu. Walker has better phys atk, but has a much slower atk rate. 0.6 vs 1.0. Add the atk lvls to the mystic pet from jones blessing, that's atleast another 15% to the chiyu's pet damage. And don't forget the damage boost skill. So for DD, i'd pick chiyu over walker.
But then again, for DD i'd pick my storm mistress over chiyu. Damage is breathtaking when spamming it's skills.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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No matter how many skills your Walker can have...
You cannot have a spammable stun skill.
In fact, finding Pounce is pretty damn hard.
When I use my Devil Chihyu, I fill it's mana then turn it's skills off, and only use the Skull Slap if something starts whacking me.
With Walker, if you pull aggro, you gotta wait for the damn thing to pull it back off you using skills.
Devil Chihyu is small enough that you can see around it, especially in small areas.
Walker is so big, it's almost not worth using just for that.
I used a Shaodu Cub on my Veno. I used it all the way to level 83. Then I got a Nix and the same day, I quit. >_> Nix is on my HA veno and levels with the veno whenever I play it now...
But I rather like the Devil Chihyu over the Walker.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »No matter how many skills your Walker can have...
You cannot have a spammable stun skill.
who cares? u can't stun most bosses that the difference between the two pets would mater on
In fact, finding Pounce is pretty damn hard.
my walkers got roar, Strong , Protect, and Bash... never needed pounce although i might replace roar with reflect one day. idk
When I use my Devil Chihyu, I fill it's mana then turn it's skills off, and only use the Skull Slap if something starts whacking me.
With Walker, if you pull aggro, you gotta wait for the damn thing to pull it back off you using skills.
if it's only one mob/boss.. ya Roar takes a longtime to use *cough*.. if it's a lot of mobs.... and u dont' have reflect.... um dont' go nuts on the mobs? If u do pull aggro with a aoe, i usually run in circles around the walker, but ahead of the mobs on me, and he's able to hit each one pretty quick (a couple normal hits or bash is up that does it).. but still...
Devil Chihyu is small enough that you can see around it, especially in small areas.
use shift to target through the walker?
Walker is so big, it's almost not worth using just for that.
so i guess a herc isnt' worth using huh? may not have as big shoulders but it's just as tall. Walker's got the best defense of any pet save a herc... http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/petstat.php It's only got 10 less Physical then a Magmite... but has alot more magical defense too.
I used a Shaodu Cub on my Veno. I used it all the way to level 83. Then I got a Nix and the same day, I quit. >_> Nix is on my HA veno and levels with the veno whenever I play it now...
Even a armored bear has less defense then a walker.... lol
But I rather like the Devil Chihyu over the Walker.
I've seen a devl on a mystic in guild go down fast on something... (i dont' remember) when my walker lived, now remember my walker's got herc buffs.... but the devil's got like twice the HP.... but i have to admit this mytstic in guild isnt' too fast sometimes. Prollyl didnt' heal enough or .. idk...
If anyone on has a UN-herced walker and knows a mystic the same lvl go test a boss see who lives lol Cause here's something for u to think about. Low lvl i was spamming Qingzi in 29 10 times a day trying to get a Fiend ring. At 45 u can take him with a monkey. a NORMAL walker can't stand head on with him till 48. And your'e still spamming pet heal. I screwed up in one fight, and pulled out the Wanderer (the black horse) to finish the fight cause i missed healing the walker... But the Wanderer couldnt' take him. he only had 200 less defense then the walker.. A Lousy 200 defense meant the difference between living and dying.
So i'm really curious. a Normal walker's got like 4 THOUSAND more defense (then a devil.... at least the person that listed stats b4).... I'm really curious to see if the like double HP on a Devil would even make a difference. But ya need to find a boss the walker can barely survive though, not some easy **** (you dont' need to sit there spamming pet heal for an hour to kill something that hard either.. jsut test it with one pet for a minute then fly away). Also gotta keep in mind your devils get stat boosts depenant on what you're wearing when you call it. So like if your'e wearing a ton of extra physical defense then call the devil.....0 -
Retsuko - Heavens Tear wrote: »3500 vs 6500 HP....
But honestly, i never tank with my pets since my mystic is a better tank.
Also it's not only the HP that's better on chiyu. Walker has better phys atk, but has a much slower atk rate. 0.6 vs 1.0. Add the atk lvls to the mystic pet from jones blessing, that's atleast another 15% to the chiyu's pet damage. And don't forget the damage boost skill. So for DD, i'd pick chiyu over walker.
But then again, for DD i'd pick my storm mistress over chiyu. Damage is breathtaking when spamming it's skills.
cept we're not talking about DD'ing... least i think not. Ususally when this question comes up peopel want to know which pet can TANK better.0 -
Ah I want a buffed Walker too *-*
The HP of your summon is 6k, but youre buffed or no? Cause with Beast King's Inspiration the summon HP go higher, then we should compare the buffed summon HP with that pet HP skill that I don't know the name here (It is Blessing of the Pack?).
I made a full Int Mystic... my summon had no endurance, here I will try a hibrid Mystic latter on, but for tank purposes I still preffer the Veno pets.0 -
Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ah I want a buffed Walker too *-*
The HP of your summon is 6k, but youre buffed or no? Cause with Beast King's Inspiration the summon HP go higher, then we should compare the buffed summon HP with that pet HP skill that I don't know the name here (It is Blessing of the Pack?).
I made a full Int Mystic... my summon had no endurance, here I will try a hibrid Mystic latter on, but for tank purposes I still preffer the Veno pets.
my devil got 6500 HP without buffs on my mystic. My mystic has 9769 HP unbuffed (3 base vit).
Tanking with pets is so 2009. If you have a proper squad you shouldn't be tanking anything with your pet. Atleast my veno never did in the last 1,5 years.Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »cept we're not talking about DD'ing... least i think not. Ususally when this question comes up peopel want to know which pet can TANK better.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ah I want a buffed Walker too *-*
The HP of your summon is 6k, but youre buffed or no? Cause with Beast King's Inspiration the summon HP go higher, then we should compare the buffed summon HP with that pet HP skill that I don't know the name here (It is Blessing of the Pack?).
I made a full Int Mystic... my summon had no endurance, here I will try a hibrid Mystic latter on, but for tank purposes I still preffer the Veno pets.
Mystic summons do not benefit from buffs on the mystic (e.g. buffs from barbarians, clerics, the mystic itself, etc.). A mystic's summons are affected by the skill's level, the mystic's level, the equipment values of the mystic's gear, and attack/defense levels of the mystic.0 -
violetvalor wrote: »Mystic summons do not benefit from buffs on the mystic (e.g. buffs from barbarians, clerics, the mystic itself, etc.). A mystic's summons are affected by the skill's level, the mystic's level, the equipment values of the mystic's gear, and attack/defense levels of the mystic.
They're also effected by the buffs in Delta/Gamma/ETC
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Retsuko - Heavens Tear wrote: »
Tanking with pets is so 2009. If you have a proper squad you shouldn't be tanking anything with your pet. Atleast my veno never did in the last 1,5 years.
Kinda figured were were talking about soloing TT or w/e...... and like i said we still need to find out if your 6500 HP even helps on **** that hits hard when a walker's got like 4 THOUSAND more defense (w/o herc skills). Rememebr what i said about only 200 defense making a difference when i spammed Qingzi.
Hell i'd go test it with u but idk what on...... Like i said b4 my walker's got herc buffs, for a long time now. IDk what he can take with the buffs off lmao0 -
violetvalor wrote: »Mystic summons do not benefit from buffs on the mystic (e.g. buffs from barbarians, clerics, the mystic itself, etc.). A mystic's summons are affected by the skill's level, the mystic's level, the equipment values of the mystic's gear, and attack/defense levels of the mystic.
I don't want to sound like a bad loser, but I'm sure that my summon HP was affected by BKI, but I used to play on a server with lower updates than PWI.0 -
Nycrome - Dreamweaver wrote: »1)Which is the best pet for PvE?
2)Which is the best pet for TT?
3)The poll is an average at the 2 questions.
that's an even number, what if your average was half and half b:sweat
there's already 2 pages worth of replies going deeper into this question, so not gonna keep going[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Walker/Magmite/Shaodu > Devil
(personally I hate walker so Magmite ftw
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also Mystics are better tanks than their pets.I A lot of people0 -
Retsuko - Heavens Tear wrote: »Tanking with pets is so 2009. If you have a proper squad you shouldn't be tanking anything with your pet. Atleast my veno never did in the last 1,5 years.
Well, if we are comparing DDing with pets, why are we even talking about Glacial Walker? I think we do have pets with better DPS... Which leads me thinking that the original question was indeed about tanking or soloing.0 -
Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »Glacial Walker all the way, while the demon have 3 skills your golem can have 4 skills of your choice, the only weakness from the golem to the devil is his mvmt.
I think that the mystic summons works better than the Veno pets, they should adapt the pets for have their own MP and skill set (well they kinda have, but It doesn't have evolution if you don't pay), also for them have a different way of level up than they have now.
Why would we want our real pets to be like the ones mystics have? No thank you. An correct me if Im wrong but mystic summons only lvl up by paying to upgrade the skill for the summon while our pets lvl with exp.Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »The Mystic summons are much more versatile than veno pets, you can have a summon for damage, AOE, long range damage and support (forgive me If I forgot something here).
Lmao you do know exactly how many pets we can have with a full pet bag right and how many skill choices there are for our pets ? Sorry but mystics are much more limited with their small choice of summons then us.
The only thing that the Mystic summons can't do like Veno pets It's tank, but who in the world will want a Veno in a squad to tank with her pet? This can happen only at the lower levels, so unless to compare, and also It needs to be a baby hercule, while the summons you can have all of them without restriction.
Again got to lmao. I can't count the times I have tanked over the years with mine an not always with herc either.
When I learned to use Storm Mistress I saw how great she is, when you get a high MP poll for support her skills she rocks. I turn the auto attack of mine off and only use skills, the mob doesn't have time for reach me and I save MP with needless heals on the summon.
Just got to shake my head on this one.Cytte - Harshlands wrote: »Walker/Magmite/Shaodu > Devil
(personally I hate walker so Magmite ftw)
Agree 100% my old magmite can eat any walker the same lvl with no heals.0 -
Retsuko - Heavens Tear wrote: »Tanking with pets is so 2009. If you have a proper squad you shouldn't be tanking anything with your pet. Atleast my veno never did in the last 1,5 years.
-That's a mooch veno.
Doesn't the Storm Mistress way out dd a nix?0 -
ViciousMinx - Dreamweaver wrote: »Just got to shake my head on this one.
Agree 100% my old magmite can eat any walker the same lvl with no heals.
u wish lol..... they're closer then u think, go look on ecatomb. 2 whopping point difference in attack. Walker may have a "whopping" 20 less in defense (but it has alot more mag defense), but the walker's also got 300 more HP. Fight would prolly be alot closer then u think lol
O and you're kinda wrong.... that first part up above. wel at least i think you were... correct me if I"M wrong... btu the mystic pays to lvl the pet up AS A SKILL, where the higher the skill the better the stats when u call it. but the pet's level itself..... levels with you. When u ding recall the pet.. boom pet lvl'ed. lol
And YAMI.... ya remember my walker has Herc DEFENSES.... but if my walker can yank aggro off 2 BM's and a sin and a psy in a 90+ FF and that was when bash was off all the time to keep from trying to DO that...... lol i gave up and tanked the other half of the FF. Ya...... veno's don't tank.... *cough*0 -
Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »u wish lol..... they're closer then u think, go look on ecatomb. 2 whopping point difference in attack. Walker may have a "whopping" 20 less in defense (but it has alot more mag defense), but the walker's also got 300 more HP. Fight would prolly be alot closer then u think lol
O and you're kinda wrong.... that first part up above. wel at least i think you were... correct me if I"M wrong... btu the mystic pays to lvl the pet up AS A SKILL, where the higher the skill the better the stats when u call it. but the pet's level itself..... levels with you. When u ding recall the pet.. boom pet lvl'ed. lol
And YAMI.... ya remember my walker has Herc DEFENSES.... but if my walker can yank aggro off 2 BM's and a sin and a psy in a 90+ FF and that was when bash was off all the time to keep from trying to DO that...... lol i gave up and tanked the other half of the FF. Ya...... veno's don't tank.... *cough*
I wish ? I know cause a friend an I tested it a while back. After 15 fights and her getting ticked she went an caught a magmite lol.
As for the summon lvl deal I'll have to go on the test one I made to see.0 -
funy, cause when this veno in my faction and i were the same lvl we dueled our pets.... she had a crstal mag. My walker beat the **** outta hers every time....... and no i didnt' have the herc buffs yet. lol hel idk....0
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Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »funy, cause when this veno in my faction and i were the same lvl we dueled our pets.... she had a crstal mag. My walker beat the **** outta hers every time....... and no i didnt' have the herc buffs yet. lol hel idk....
They were same lvl as you but was her pet same lvl as urs ?0 -
yes, we both keep our pets our lvl, and ya we both happened to be the same lvl too. lol alot of people in our guild is lvl'ing a veno. we were like 60 or something idk. btw no pet healing, no bash or nothing... jsut let the pets wack away.
now that i think about it i think her mag won like... 2/10 or something lol0 -
Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »I don't want to sound like a bad loser, but I'm sure that my summon HP was affected by BKI, but I used to play on a server with lower updates than PWI.
I confirmed with a mystic in a FF run earlier today. The summons do not benefit from the buffs as I said. I would like them to. b:cry0 -
violetvalor wrote: »I confirmed with a mystic in a FF run earlier today. The summons do not benefit from the buffs as I said. I would like them to. b:cry
Thanks man b:surrender
And ViciousMinx is nuts! The Mystic summons share the same level of your character, they don't need to grind their summons, for each skill lv on the summons they gain +5% of your attributes, while the Veno pays with money and soul for level just the pet skill, the skills should be recorded on the Veno instead of the Pet because I don't think that It's fair, put skills on the pet It's something that a low level can't do.
I was justing wondering here, the Glacial can become good with the legendary skills, but what pet should we use for flying one? Since Vespiquen dies in one shot latter on...0
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