Sacrificial Strike vs God of Frenzy

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

im wondering that for some time now,

if u have sac strike on ur weap, what are the chance for the hit to be a "zerk"? and what about god of frenzy, since its suposed to be higher chance? anyone have any clue? exact number or rough estimate, can take both

ty b:pleased

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

im wondering that for some time now,

if u have sac strike on ur weap, what are the chance for the hit to be a "zerk"? and what about god of frenzy, since its suposed to be higher chance? anyone have any clue? exact number or rough estimate, can take both

ty b:pleased

Here is answer (5% chance).

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

its obviously more than 5% >.>

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

its obviously more than 5% >.>

From Gear Addons:

PWPedia wrote:

Unique Adds

Unique addons only apply to weapons, and non-magical weapons at that. These adds have a certain proc-rate that determines how often the add will take affect. These only apply to regular attacks.

"Has a chance" usually means that the ability will activate on roughly 5% of hits.

(?) next to the proc-rate marks the percentage as unverified. The 30% ones seem a bit high, but working to change and/or confirm these rates.

"Has a chance" usually means that the ability will activate on roughly 5% of hits.

Edit according same source:
God of Frenzy-A blessed frenzy warrior! Has a higher chance of dealing double damage. Costs 5% max HP.
Proc-Rate: 30%
Sacrificial Strike-Has a chance to inflict double damage at the cost of losing 5% HP.

Proc-Rate: 30%

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

There is no authoritative answer on proc rates and no one bothers to test it. The source that put it at 30% lists 30% for a lot of procs that I know to be much lower.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

There is no authoritative answer on proc rates and no one bothers to test it. The source that put it at 30% lists 30% for a lot of procs that I know to be much lower.

Not to mention that GoF being 30% and "higher", it wouldn't make any sense for Sacrificial Strike to be 30% as well.

Nniotora - Lost City

for me zerk is almost the same as me critting and thats 33% so i doubt normal zerk would be 30% but 30% on gof sounds about right for me

ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver

I heard its 15% for S.S and 30% for GoF. Could be wrong though, Its second hand info.

godsmartyr

Why are you still playing this game vs Were you dropped on your head as a child.

Okeano - Harshlands

I'm begin to doubt that GoF procs twice as often as normal zerk. I'm working on testing it atm while waiting for tiger event.

Templar - Sanctuary

Even if its same % fo both, i like GOF much more, coz when it ticks you can say I Gofed you insted of I sacked you.

Okeano - Harshlands

Result for GoF so far:
10/53
10/30
10/53
10/45
10/58
10/45
10/65
10/59
10/43
10/32
10/50
10/45
10/67
10/43
10/26
10/46
10/32
10/82
10/65
10/40
10/36

That's 210/1015, pointing to 20%. Now the data isn't big enough for it to be conclusive, but it gives us a ballpark.

Traz - Dreamweaver

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Result for GoF so far:
10/53
10/30
10/53
10/45
10/58
10/45
10/65
10/59
10/43
10/32
10/50
10/45
10/67
10/43
10/26
10/46
10/32
10/82
10/65
10/40
10/36

That's 210/1015, pointing to 20%. Now the data isn't big enough for it to be conclusive, but it gives us a ballpark.

I'm really really starting to think it's different for different weapons / classes / skills. Thus why it's not directly in the DB.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

has anyone stopped to consider that maybe the proc rate is built into the weapon, and not the addon?

Two different weapons, identical addon, same exact APS, however, the proc rate is absolutely HORRIBLE on one (maybe 2%), and really great on the other (maybe 10%?).

Finding the exact percentage chance of an addon's proc rate is kinda pointless if it changes from weapon to weapon... IE, S.S. works differently on Calamities vs Fists.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

has anyone stopped to consider that maybe the proc rate is built into the weapon, and not the addon?

Two different weapons, identical addon, same exact APS, however, the proc rate is absolutely HORRIBLE on one (maybe 2%), and really great on the other (maybe 10%?).

Finding the exact percentage chance of an addon's proc rate is kinda pointless if it changes from weapon to weapon... IE, S.S. works differently on Calamities vs Fists.

Have you ever stopped to think that everybody percieves colors differently and that people only agree that something is a color based on the words other people associate with it? The word green has no empirical conection with what I am atempting to express when I describe something as green, but we all agree that grass is green, while nobody ca possibly know how anybody else experiences the color of grass.

In other words, don't unneccesarily overanylize stuff.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Have you ever stopped to think that everybody percieves colors differently and that people only agree that something is a color based on the words other people associate with it? The word green has no empirical conection with what I am atempting to express when I describe something as green, but we all agree that grass is green, while nobody ca possibly know how anybody else experiences the color of grass.

In other words, don't unneccesarily overanylize stuff.

Okay, fine, blow off my post.

Traz - Dreamweaver

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

has anyone stopped to consider that maybe the proc rate is built into the weapon, and not the addon?

Two different weapons, identical addon, same exact APS, however, the proc rate is absolutely HORRIBLE on one (maybe 2%), and really great on the other (maybe 10%?).

Finding the exact percentage chance of an addon's proc rate is kinda pointless if it changes from weapon to weapon... IE, S.S. works differently on Calamities vs Fists.

Problem is we don't know, and the pwdatabase guy hasn't responded to my email in about 5 days. Not sure what to do other then to go back and dig around more myself but I'm pretty clueless as to what to look for.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

That's 210/1015, pointing to 20%. Now the data isn't big enough for it to be conclusive, but it gives us a ballpark.

Nice test.
That's enough to say with 95% confidence that the true value is between 18.2% and 23.2%. I'm betting on 20% or 21%. Now to do it with Sac Strike <_<

I did a similar test a while ago for Soul Shatter vs Spirit Blackhole but its a bit harder to judge since both are pretty low chance.

I had 21/500 purge with Soul Shatter and 24/500 with spirit blackhole.

Blade_aether - Lost City

I did a test forever ago, using 300 auto attacks, and 300 uses of each skill in a close tally, it is somewhere in the barb section.

Sac Strike worked out to 19%, GoF worked out to 38%. These are rough, but for each being used over a 1000 times for the test, it is fairly accurate.





Blade_Aether
Moobs.

Okeano - Harshlands

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nice test.
That's enough to say with 95% confidence that the true value is between 18.2% and 23.2%. I'm betting on 20% or 21%. Now to do it with Sac Strike <_<

I did a similar test a while ago for Soul Shatter vs Spirit Blackhole but its a bit harder to judge since both are pretty low chance.

I had 21/500 purge with Soul Shatter and 24/500 with spirit blackhole.

I use to think that the advanced stats have twice the proc rate as their normal counterparts, but I guess that's not the case.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Have you ever stopped to think that everybody percieves colors differently and that people only agree that something is a color based on the words other people associate with it? The word green has no empirical conection with what I am atempting to express when I describe something as green, but we all agree that grass is green, while nobody ca possibly know how anybody else experiences the color of grass.

Mind = Blown