Can Rank 9 be achieved without cash shopping? (doing quests only)?

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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    SoulFeast - Harshlands wrote: »
    I've farmed my r9 ring + daggers n +7 on it in 30 days of dropx2, the last one, i didn't played much i could farm more, was using nirvana daggers +10, i've farmed over 1.1 bi in the 30 days of dropx2, so Yea it is farmable, u just need know what do for farm, i did Merchant + Farm in 2 chars at same time in Nirvana doing 2 man run ( 3 chars logged + 3 chars of Bf logged 12 mins run ) and TT 3-1/3-2 farm with bf 3 chars per person, was making 50m only from farm per day n wasn't playing much...
    We don't talk about merchandising. OP asked if it farmable and it's not. Because chips you can get just from BH100 and cube. Only for ring you need 32x9999=319968chips. And the medal of glory you can get from TW wars. So try to gain 320K chips how long it would take?
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  • snufalufaguss
    snufalufaguss Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Such a silly questions. Everyone knows these players with 8 billion coins worth of gears on farmed it legit.
  • Elanxu - Dreamweaver
    Elanxu - Dreamweaver Posts: 521 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    IMO anything is possible if you have an aps sin
    the loser fail nab cleric from dreamweaver who quit pwi, but still wanders the forums.
  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    We don't talk about merchandising. OP asked if it farmable and it's not. Because chips you can get just from BH100 and cube. Only for ring you need 32x9999=319968chips. And the medal of glory you can get from TW wars. So try to gain 320K chips how long it would take?

    Actually, if you look at the title, he asked both : if possible quests only and if possible without cashshopping. The confusion probably comes from the use the term "farmable" in the thread. For some it means "only drop and quest rewards", for other it means "collecting herbs or mines", for many it is "running instances for drops", while for some it is "any ingame methode of getting coins, as long as you won't touch a credit card".

    On quests only, ofc, the answer is no. Atm, the medals are not available other then buying (at least for 99.99% of the population that is), and chips and rep come in to small amounts to make it doable in a normal timespan (let's say below 1 year).

    Since you can buy gold ingame and pretty much all items are tradeable, in theory everything can be obtained without cashshopping. R9 surely is possible with ingame coinmaking only (again, withing a year), but not easy. Ofc, you need to either play a lot and/or have the option to let your pc run 24/7 for you catshop (which can be said cashshopping by paying electricity bill). Also have to keep in mind, that making money is way easier when you are rich. With bad gear you won't make millions in any instance, and without good start funds you'll be just standing in arch all day cause you can't set up a shop for a decent timespan with items (which also means that cashshopping good gear or a start capital, then work for r9, isn't really getting r9 without cashshopping).

    Out of all the r9 players, I think only a tiny 1% really got it without cashshopping. Probably like half of them made at least 50%+ of the coins ingame. And other half just charged everything to get it. This is just a personal estimation, based on how many r9 players got no real idea of what they do and are unwanted in squads dispite their awesome gear. Also based on how r9 became easier but way more expensive when they changed dragon points rewards and the 10-chip packs, actually made more ppl get r9 just cause all came directly from boutique.

    A little question to those who talk about "legit" ways to make coins : Is a person spending hours ingame to solo TT or who puts up a shop 24/7 really more "legit" then a person with a social life and good job who charges $ to play ? And plz don't give me the "pay for pixels" BS, cause the majority of our rl expenses are just as useless and worthless as virtual immortality.
  • ScarFury - Lost City
    ScarFury - Lost City Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    im only read the first page and this page so if someone already answered sumthing along these lines then oh well....so if u mean its possible to reach rank9 with quests only? and with buying rep badges from other players or mats the answer is YES...regardless of wat other players say. You can definetly get rank nine from the rep u get from quests alone.

    True it would take about a billion years but doing FBs with other people can get u rep.(Call to duty quest) (***and i had to add what FB was...because of the HIGH ***** populaton of frost power lvled noobs, ive actually come across alot of players lately who tried to argue with me that BH and FB was the same thing and didnt know the diference, but thats a whole nother story***)

    BH (bounty hunter quest you can get daily) gets you rep. And im not sure if its called this anymore but doing a **** LOAD of "one-man army quests can get you rep. And im sure theres plenty other ways too that dont involve spending money.

    So yes its possible from quests alone. BUT..and thats a HUGE but...you can reach rank9 but wont be able to get any of the armor or weapon without CSin or buyin from other players.
  • Ryegard - Heavens Tear
    Ryegard - Heavens Tear Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Im working on my 2nd R9 character without putting a single dime into this game in over 2 years. People that say it cannot be done or that only 1% of the R9's earned it without cash shopping is just plain ignorant. Learn to merchant, where and what to farm and you will eventually get it.
  • Schznider - Dreamweaver
    Schznider - Dreamweaver Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Thank you all for the tips and the analysis answering my question and clearing my doubts.. it all really helped :)

    Finally i have to say i do believe it can be achieved without cash shopping. All the explenations with supporting data convinced me it can be done.

    Thank you all :)
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  • HexOmega - Dreamweaver
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    IMO anything is possible if you have an aps sin

    overrated

    i would have soo many coins if i didnt wad it all in my fish

    the coin making abilities of 5.0 +10 standard equipment aint that high considering the cost
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  • Mekkhala - Lost City
    Mekkhala - Lost City Posts: 303 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    It actually is possible to farm. All you need is:

    An already overpowered char
    PWI to not fook up the markets on a weekly basis
    a hella lot of time
    some dam amazing merching skills


    How do I know this? A friend of mine farmed his wizz's r9. Granted, he had no life for like 3 months straight. b:chuckle



    Edit: Buying gold with in game coins counts as farming, so I dunno what some of you are talking about.
  • Sir_rusty - Dreamweaver
    Sir_rusty - Dreamweaver Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    maybe the question should of been can an archer do it or do i have to make a op demon sinb:chuckleb:chuckle
  • bladerunnerdm
    bladerunnerdm Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    100% of all R9 users never spend a single dollar, they are all smart merchants
    b:chuckle

    honestly if they say they merchant their R9 +10 what do you think they sell in their catshops? Right cash shop content which they purchased from boutique or got from purchased packs.

    R9 +10 without cash shopping is a myth
  • bladerunnerdm
    bladerunnerdm Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    SoulFeast - Harshlands wrote: »
    I've farmed my r9 ring + daggers n +7 on it in 30 days of dropx2, the last one, i didn't played much i could farm more, was using nirvana daggers +10, i've farmed over 1.1 bi in the 30 days of dropx2, so Yea it is farmable, u just need know what do for farm, i did Merchant + Farm in 2 chars at same time in Nirvana doing 2 man run ( 3 chars logged + 3 chars of Bf logged 12 mins run ) and TT 3-1/3-2 farm with bf 3 chars per person, was making 50m only from farm per day n wasn't playing much...

    you admit to log more than 2 accounts
    b:shocked
  • RoidAbuse - Sanctuary
    RoidAbuse - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    bladerunnerdm wrote: »
    100% of all R9 users never spend a single dollar, they are all smart merchants
    b:chuckle

    honestly if they say they merchant their R9 +10 what do you think they sell in their catshops? Right cash shop content which they purchased from boutique or got from purchased packs.

    R9 +10 without cash shopping is a myth

    That's true. It's not even possible to buy boutique gold with coins in this game!
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  • LilShine - Raging Tide
    LilShine - Raging Tide Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's true. It's not even possible to buy boutique gold with coins in this game!

    ^ this b:chuckle
    but well it is possible to merchant r9+10 thou it would take a while b:surrender
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  • Bale - Heavens Tear
    Bale - Heavens Tear Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    fastest way is to offer handys to GM's and MODs for your R9

    then +10 if you offer the "spit shine" service after said handy

    b:cute
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  • Baby_pho - Heavens Tear
    Baby_pho - Heavens Tear Posts: 636 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    bladerunnerdm wrote: »
    100% of all R9 users never spend a single dollar, they are all smart merchants
    b:chuckle

    honestly if they say they merchant their R9 +10 what do you think they sell in their catshops? Right cash shop content which they purchased from boutique or got from purchased packs.

    R9 +10 without cash shopping is a myth

    i can say if you are a smart merchant, you are a smart merchant. for example, I bought a rudy raindeer for 6m months back and resell it for 18m resently 12m profit. ect.... another example would be, I bought a lila's heart for 4m, traded it for a soring centipede, selling that for 10m. the list goes on. how i got coins to buy things in the first place? farming herb/mats 1h gives u 1m+. but now i merchant/farm. bc i can farm now and would make more money than merchanting. merch on the side is ok get's you some extra. then again... im not going to get r9 so idk if its possible or not. but merch/farm makes you loads of coins. which i mostly spend on fash ._.'. i do spend some on gear/refine/skills.

    2,3 man nirvy makes ok money with no 2x. really good money with 2x. tt is about the same with 2x gold mats does drop more but gold mat price drop.
  • TolanSky - Heavens Tear
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yes, but you're talking spending more time in-game to earn it that way than you would working irl to CS it.

    the assumption that all people who play this game work, can work, or even should work, is probably the most biased assumption I have ever seen. There are people in the world who are able to play MMORPG's, but who live in a state of near poverty and thus are unable to pay the significant amounts of money that it would require to outright purchase the Rank 9 Armor through pure cash shopping alone.

    Take for example people with debilitating disabilities of one type or another, and who are unable to work. These people (at least in the United States) often times are on or can be on Social Security Disability Income. This income is enough money to be able to survive from day to day, but usually places the individuals yearly income level at just barely above the official poverty level. And in order to get the SSDI and the associated medical benefits that come with that service, one is pretty much required to remain at that near poverty level else they lose their benefits completely and essentially be told that they can never be able to afford their medical requirements ever again. And for people with significant medical bills, this can be detrimental to their well being.

    So sometimes spending the time to earn something that is otherwise extremely expensive, is actually worth the time spent earning it, instead of spending a small fortune to buy it outright.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's true. It's not even possible to buy boutique gold with coins in this game!

    ^

    This! See roids gets it!
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    the assumption that all people who play this game work, can work, or even should work, is probably the most biased assumption I have ever seen. There are people in the world who are able to play MMORPG's, but who live in a state of near poverty and thus are unable to pay the significant amounts of money that it would require to outright purchase the Rank 9 Armor through pure cash shopping alone.

    Take for example people with debilitating disabilities of one type or another, and who are unable to work. These people (at least in the United States) often times are on or can be on Social Security Disability Income. This income is enough money to be able to survive from day to day, but usually places the individuals yearly income level at just barely above the official poverty level. And in order to get the SSDI and the associated medical benefits that come with that service, one is pretty much required to remain at that near poverty level else they lose their benefits completely and essentially be told that they can never be able to afford their medical requirements ever again. And for people with significant medical bills, this can be detrimental to their well being.

    So sometimes spending the time to earn something that is otherwise extremely expensive, is actually worth the time spent earning it, instead of spending a small fortune to buy it outright.

    Well, what people really need to understand is that we are here to play a game because we want to do something after work (for those of us that have jobs). To say working IRL gets in-game coin faster, well no ****. That's like saying car can move faster than a walking human, so why the **** would we be walking in a park?

    Some people choose to CS with their money, that's cool, I just don't think I would pay up for THIS game in particular because they've trolled players too much.
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  • TolanSky - Heavens Tear
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ^

    This! See roids gets it!

    What does he get exactly? All I see in his post is that he doesn't understand how to work the Gold Trade device in the Auction House. I frequently buy boutique gold with in game coins, so his entire point is moot if you ask me.
    Well, what people really need to understand is that we are here to play a game because we want to do something after work (for those of us that have jobs). To say working IRL gets in-game coin faster, well no ****. That's like saying car can move faster than a walking human, so why the **** would we be walking in a park?

    Some people choose to CS with their money, that's cool, I just don't think I would pay up for THIS game in particular because they've trolled players too much.

    So, because it is faster to drive a car than to walk, you are suddenly saying that walking around a local park (a place where driving a car is usually banned) is somehow obsolete, and that in turn justifies those cash shoppers in saying that people who play the game without paying real life money are somehow also obsolete?
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  • Sassy/ss_ - Sanctuary
    Sassy/ss_ - Sanctuary Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What does he get exactly? All I see in his post is that he doesn't understand how to work the Gold Trade device in the Auction House. I frequently buy boutique gold with in game coins, so his entire point is moot if you ask me.

    Ur mooot if you ask me b:bye
  • RoidAbuse - Sanctuary
    RoidAbuse - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What does he get exactly? All I see in his post is that he doesn't understand how to work the Gold Trade device in the Auction House. I frequently buy boutique gold with in game coins, so his entire point is moot if you ask me.



    So, because it is faster to drive a car than to walk, you are suddenly saying that walking around a local park (a place where driving a car is usually banned) is somehow obsolete, and that in turn justifies those cash shoppers in saying that people who play the game without paying real life money are somehow also obsolete?

    Reading comprehension, you need it.
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  • brazenbusboy
    brazenbusboy Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sure it is possible you could earn that much coin. It is also possible you could earn enough cash to buy Congress, but it is only likely to happen for 1% of the population.

    Same deal here. Sure you might earn bazillions merchandizing, but don't you think there is a reason why most players don't.

    The simple facts are as someone else pointed out. Players charge zen and turn zen into gold and then purchase power-leveling, reputation, and the gear itself.

    It is very dis-ingenuous to suggest that you can expect to earn rank 9 gear.

    Sure you can 'earn' rank 9, just like everyone can 'earn' a Ferrari, or a private jet, etc.

    The proof is that no one can describe objectively how to do do so other than glib one-liners like 'learn how to merchant".

    All the claims put forth in this thread are totally UN-substantiated. It all just allot of posing and haranguing by Atlas Shrugged wanna-bees.

    And for the poor among us. Tough luck. Not everyone can afford a Ferrari, so just maybe not everyone can afford R9. If you are cash poor but time rich, go for it, but unless you are very very lucky you could be grinding for years.

    No one is going to post objective and verifiable \ examples of how to earn the sums needed for rank 9 because there are none.

    You can most certainly try, most players do at one point or another. Best of Luck to you, but I would not hold your breath.
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  • Susamajii - Lost City
    Susamajii - Lost City Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Schznider - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I thought this might be a good topic to discuss or at least to have the feedback from people. I have people saying it is not possible and others say it can be possible but it takes alot of time.
    Post your replies stating wether it is or not, and support it with an analysis if you like.

    Avoid the drama :) if you have any feelings towards cashplayers or non cashplayers it is not neccessary to shout them out.

    Thank You

    No Rank 9 cannot be achieved without Cash Shopping. (inb4 herp derp territory reward)

    You might not be the one to CS it but SOMEONE has to CS to get you the gold to get the rank 9 even if you only buy gold someone else charged money.

    So no it is not possible to get Rank 9 without CS happening.b:bye
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  • Valirah - Sanctuary
    Valirah - Sanctuary Posts: 522 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    brazenbusboy wrote: »
    Sure it is possible you could earn that much coin. It is also possible you could earn enough cash to buy Congress, but it is only likely to happen for 1% of the population.

    Same deal here. Sure you might earn bazillions merchandizing, but don't you think there is a reason why most players don't.

    The simple facts are as someone else pointed out. Players charge zen and turn zen into gold and then purchase power-leveling, reputation, and the gear itself.

    It is very dis-ingenuous to suggest that you can expect to earn rank 9 gear.

    Sure you can 'earn' rank 9, just like everyone can 'earn' a Ferrari, or a private jet, etc.

    The proof is that no one can describe objectively how to do do so other than glib one-liners like 'learn how to merchant".

    All the claims put forth in this thread are totally UN-substantiated. It all just allot of posing and haranguing by Atlas Shrugged wanna-bees.

    And for the poor among us. Tough luck. Not everyone can afford a Ferrari, so just maybe not everyone can afford R9. If you are cash poor but time rich, go for it, but unless you are very very lucky you could be grinding for years.

    No one is going to post objective and verifiable \ examples of how to earn the sums needed for rank 9 because there are none.

    You can most certainly try, most players do at one point or another. Best of Luck to you, but I would not hold your breath.

    If you're too stupid to figure out how to make coins in this game, that's your problem, stop assuming everyone else is at your level of incompetence. Guides HAVE indeed been made on how to successfully merchant, do some actual research. Nah, you people are much too lazy to do that. So much easier to just sit around and make claims that all the people with nice stuff must have paid cash for it.
  • endlesspsy
    endlesspsy Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    yes i farm 2bil in month in game. But im saving my coins because theres no point is getting rank9 and no point is saving my money but saving money is better. And i still farm the same amount of money ive been farming. No i will not say how im doin this. Only a chosen few can do this and i am one of the chosen pro merchants
  • Dedz - Raging Tide
    Dedz - Raging Tide Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    @OP:

    I didn't bother reading all the replies in the thread but going back to your question I will have to say that it is indeed possible to farm rank 9.

    You just need to be a smart merchant (you should know the in-game economics, trends, supply and demand, blah blah). You also need a computer/laptop that could keep the game playing for long hours. Let us not forget that you need to be online everyday to keep up with current prices.

    Bored of being a catshop but want things to go faster? No problem, open up a second account and farm mysterious chips. You can also farm rep while you are at it. In a couple of months you will have your rank 9 and it was that easy.

    Your next problem will be getting it refined and getting it top quality shards. Don't worry, you can merchant your way again and be truly OP in a couple more months. Congratulations, you have succeeded in the game.

    OR
    use your smarts to actually generate more sources of income in real life. Once you have another source of income (this second source should not be a second job, lol) and you still feel a need to get rank 9, then use that money to buy rank 9,refines and shards. NEVER should you spend your money from your primary source of income aka your job (for example) on this game. Congratulations, you have succeeded in the game and improved your life in the process.
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Reading comprehension, you need it.

    I'm sure we can come up with a way to merchant some. b:avoid
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  • Astreon - Sanctuary
    Astreon - Sanctuary Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    <-- Happy Rank 9 Ring + Daggers user, who spent no $ on this game since he began playing PWI. The daggers are +10 with 2 garnet gems and also there is much more gear like pan gu creator etc. etc.

    So yes, it's absolutely possbile. But not from quests m8. Doing all possible quests in game (not counting dailies) will give you ~15m coins (maybe more when counting item rewards) but you need well... ~700 million. So either you spend your summer holidays farming mats playing no-life mode every day for half a year (25h daily xD) OR make few catshops and be full of ideas how to multiplicate the money you already have :)


    Also, i know a guy who r9+12 and all other eq +10 filled with ultimate shards like Jade of Steady Def and Primeval/Savants, without cashshopping at all. But this guy was playing PW for 3 years (almost since the beginning)...
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Some extracts:
    Dedz - Raging Tide wrote: »
    @OP:...


    You just need to be a smart merchant (you should know the in-game economics, trends, supply and demand, blah blah). You also need a computer/laptop that could keep the game playing for long hours. Let us not forget that you need to be online everyday to keep up with current prices.

    ... In a couple of months you will have your rank 9 and it was that easy.

    Your next problem will be getting it refined and getting it top quality shards. Don't worry, you can merchant your way again and be truly OP in a couple more months. Congratulations, you have succeeded in the game....

    Total 4 month of everyday work/play.

    Astreon - Sanctuary wrote: »
    <-- Happy Rank 9 Ring + Daggers user, who spent no $ on this game since he began playing PWI. The daggers are +10 with 2 garnet gems and also there is much more gear like pan gu creator etc. etc.

    So yes, it's absolutely possbile. But not from quests m8. Doing all possible quests in game (not counting dailies) will give you ~15m coins (maybe more when counting item rewards) but you need well... ~700 million. So either you spend your summer holidays farming mats playing no-life mode every day for half a year (25h daily xD OR make few catshops and be full of ideas how to multiplicate the money you already have :)


    Also, i know a guy who r9+12 and all other eq +10 filled with ultimate shards like Jade of Steady Def and Primeval/Savants, without cashshopping at all. But this guy was playing PW for 3 years (almost since the beginning)...

    Total 6-36 month of everyday work/play.

    Enjoy such play style ... 4 - 36 months without real life and without any guaranty that you will obtain something.
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  • Templar - Sanctuary
    Templar - Sanctuary Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    anything is possible if you want it bad enough.

    b:bye

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