Veno-less aps nirvy?

Nine_Lives - Raging Tide

I just noticed one disturbing trend in my server and i hope it does not blow out of proportion.

The demand for venos in nirvy is getting less, as I noticed in wc calling out more for bm's more frequently than venos as before.

I dunno if this is related to the rep sale and more sins and other aps toons getting R9 and better aps to boot.

I asked one poster why he/she did not ask for a veno, not even a sage one is because he/she said our amp only works on most of the bosses but hf works for all.

Is this the end of venos in nirvy? I just hope not.

What's your take on this?

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

HF and Amplified Damage are both amps... though technically HF is a curse. Anyways, they work on the same bosses and don't work on the same bosses.

The answer is people are stupid. Nirvanas run faster and smoother if you have 1 of 3 classes added. A cleric, barb, or veno. Clerics for heals/buffs/boss debuffs. Barbs for their damage buff and boss debuffs. Or veno's for their amp and debuffs. Cleric is the most support but gives the least dmg boosting. Barbs give more dmg boosting in the way of Titans and a pdef debuff. And veno's can stack pdef debuff and their amp on about 55% of the bosses for the most damage increase.

Taking a veno as your 6th spot is more effective than taking another sin assuming the other 5 spots are already good dd. In a decent squad most bosses die before first HF finishes anyways. Best squad imo is a cleric, wiz, and barb buffed squad with 4 sins, a bm, and a veno.

Aijou - Harshlands

Nine_Lives - Raging Tide wrote: »

I just noticed one disturbing trend in my server and i hope it does not blow out of proportion.

The demand for venos in nirvy is getting less, as I noticed in wc calling out more for bm's more frequently than venos as before.

I dunno if this is related to the rep sale and more sins and other aps toons getting R9 and better aps to boot.

I asked one poster why he/she did not ask for a veno, not even a sage one is because he/she said our amp only works on most of the bosses but hf works for all.

Is this the end of venos in nirvy? I just hope not.

What's your take on this?

If HF works on a boss then AMP does as well. Whoever told you that is a useless APStard.
Venos have MORE to offer than just amp. We can purge the annoying second boss as well as keep most bosses constantly debuffed for lower physical defense. We also have 3 available skills that have a chance to drop a bosses physical defense to 0 - which has a similar effect to DG on a boss you cant amp as far as overall spikes in DPS go. (2 skills only if youre sage) Passing sparks and bramble guard are always great additions.

Cytte - Harshlands

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Best squad imo is a cleric, wiz, barb buffed sins & Bm, and a veno.

Fixed it fer ya


On topic though, whoever said that HF works on all of them is nothing short of an idiot. Plus you still have a multitude of debuffs aside from amp as a veno and are a greater asset than a 5th sin

I'm a big fan of making your own squads if no one will take you, and as a veno most people wont leave when they see you in squad. the ones that do tend to be idiots anyway, so mehh.

Nine_Lives - Raging Tide

thanks for the input guys.b:victory

Mowriyah - Sanctuary

3 sins, 2 bms and a veno is my favorite type of squads
And then buffs from cleric/barb outside vana

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

Mowriyah - Sanctuary wrote: »

3 sins, 2 bms and a veno is my favorite type of squads
And then buffs from cleric/barb outside vana

Yup, these squads are the best. Everything goes rather quick.

By the way I've also noticed fewer APS squads recruit venos these days. I wonder why...

Nine_Lives - Raging Tide

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yup, these squads are the best. Everything goes rather quick.

By the way I've also noticed fewer APS squads recruit venos these days. I wonder why...

I did ask around some of those who wc about this:

1. They say venos damage slower and weaker than aps players. b:surprised.

2. 2 aps bm's make a lot more damage and damage amplifying than 1aps bm 1 veno b:shocked

3. Not many venos are aps b:angry

See the pattern here? It's all about aps for these players.

b:shutup

tfi3f

This is because until only prolly a month or so ago, all you fail venos in here were telling other venos not to get lvl79 Break skills.

"They aren't as great as they sound and they rarely ever proc".

So now nobody even knows about veno breaks. Lawl, things are cleaning up slowly but surely though, and you all are failing less and less, little by little. I'm sure there are still lvl100 venos in here running nirvana without breaks though...

Nine_Lives - Raging Tide

tfi3f wrote: »

This is because until only prolly a month or so ago, all you fail venos in here were telling other venos not to get lvl79 Break skills.

"They aren't as great as they sound and they rarely ever proc".

So now nobody even knows about veno breaks. Lawl, things are cleaning up slowly but surely though, and you all are failing less and less, little by little. I'm sure there are still lvl100 venos in here running nirvana without breaks though...

Easy for a learned veno to understand but hard for an apstard to process though.

I'm darn proud of my myriad rainbow (only got foxform for now, human form to follow if i gots the gold). I spam them in fc at pulls before i go human and aoe the **** out of the mobs.
Pretty nifty skill at TT after amping the boss. It still gets to me some venos here complain of the 800mp it consumes when there are a bajillion ways to recover lost mana.

But trying to explain to an apstard about proc can be as frustrating as trying to explain algebra to a newborn though...yet they complain about dying when they crit and taking aggro b:shutup

With all the rage on aps and speed kills (speed everything actually here on PWI nowadays)
these guys can be slow to process real gameplay

''But HF animation looks cooler than rings''b:shutup