rank 9 daggers
RunningTiger - Dreamweaver
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Ok, I was one of those who got the nirvana g13 back before rank 9 was an option, and I +12 with garnets,standard +10/11 all aps gear sharded with Dot, but two pieces with vit stones.
So today I finally got my rank 9 daggers and +12 to them. I notice they seem really cool to use my subsea and earthin rift with. I am assuming they will be coool to pvp with for the same reason. However in practice on a solo 3-3 run, I have to say they didn't seem to kill the bosses more faster by a noticable amount. I definitely noticed thier lack of chi and the lack of steady heal. I hope I "grow" into liking them more, but since I don't pvp much, im alittle disappointed an regret buying them an refining them.
So today I finally got my rank 9 daggers and +12 to them. I notice they seem really cool to use my subsea and earthin rift with. I am assuming they will be coool to pvp with for the same reason. However in practice on a solo 3-3 run, I have to say they didn't seem to kill the bosses more faster by a noticable amount. I definitely noticed thier lack of chi and the lack of steady heal. I hope I "grow" into liking them more, but since I don't pvp much, im alittle disappointed an regret buying them an refining them.
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You went from g13 to r9 and dont notice a difference?
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Well obviously you won't "notice" something on a first try.
Do more runs. If that's not enough, start timing yourself. You'll notice it.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
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The only doubt I have is that you dont have an int tome (i.e. 3.33 vs 4 aps). Wihtout it r9 are a real disappointment, as damage wise they are on par of a +12 g13 (at least feel wise), the heal a lot less efficiently and worst of all chi is a big issue if u intend to use chi skills to use other skills.
However once u get int tome, the daggers are on a complete other level, no comparison whatsoever (talking bout r9+12 sharded vs g13+11-12 sharded)
If you have an int tome then I think you should get a timer, and time how much time it takes to solo a boss with the two set up, and you will probably realize the difference this way.
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Yeah, I noticed a tiny difference in kill speed, however not nearly enough to get excited about after the cost to get them an +12 them. The chi deal when you are getting stuned really makes em lack luster even more. I geuss they will have thier uses but, honestly they are hyped a bit much.
For the vast majority of players who dont pvp I would advise against getting them over the g13.0 -
RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »Yeah, I noticed a tiny difference in kill speed, however not nearly enough to get excited about after the cost to get them an +12 them. The chi deal when you are getting stuned really makes em lack luster even more. I geuss they will have thier uses but, honestly they are hyped a bit much.
For the vast majority of players who dont pvp I would advise against getting them over the g13.
Eh... noticed you didn't answer the question on whether you have an interval tome or not.
As pointed out... the extra aps does make a huge difference with the R9 dagger (albeit... you'd think the near constant double damage from zerk would be enough).0 -
Of course i have a love up an down...I got rank 9+12 and g13+12 andI said my lowest refine on anything is +10....why the heck wouldn't i have love up an down?Silly:)
That said I was probably expecting too much, they did take me 8 months of farming an costed over a billion coins by the time i got them...I expected atleast 25% faster kill time than nirvana g13 and it just didnt pan out. Much as everyone bad talks g13 you would think it might. Sure the rank 9 is better but not nearly that much better0 -
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt319/raindeux/DpsReview.png
You went from 190k dps to 259k.
You should notice a difference. I refuse to believe there is no difference in kill time becuase i have seen vids of people killing the same exact thing with G13, and again with R9, I see the difference and so did they, and im half tempted to go find those videos.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
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umm that video has nothing to do with nothing really-> as its comparing +10 g13 to +12 rank 9.
Don't think he's sayig rank 9 isn't good, just that the difference is not all that big considering the price difference.0 -
It does to a point, the g13's are only +10 but it proves my point i was making. the damage from the r9's are far greater in that video on that specific mob. Even if the g13's were +12 the notice is beyond reconizable. Even with my R8's at +11 I have a general sparked dps of 182,686 and if you take lvl 10 frenzy it is 206,411, and that is just straight math and not counting wolf emblem or any other add, much less what you may or maynot see in game.0
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Northern - Dreamweaver wrote: »umm that video has nothing to do with nothing really-> as its comparing +10 g13 to +12 rank 9.
Don't think he's sayig rank 9 isn't good, just that the difference is not all that big considering the price difference.
Worth it or not is up to him I guess? Who is to say it's "worth" +12 something from +10 for the damage gain?0 -
RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »Yeah, I noticed a tiny difference in kill speed, however not nearly enough to get excited about after the cost to get them an +12 them. The chi deal when you are getting stuned really makes em lack luster even more. I geuss they will have thier uses but, honestly they are hyped a bit much.
For the vast majority of players who dont pvp I would advise against getting them over the g13.
b:laugh I rather think it's G13 that is hyped a bit to much.
But I guess it's normal, when you get from a pure aps weapon (cause on the dph part, G13 really sucks compared to other grade 13+ weapons) to a dph weapon with a high dispersion in damage output. Maybe the "use skill = fail player"-mindset of the average 5 aps, also has something to do with it.0 -
fairymaster1 wrote: »It does to a point, the g13's are only +10 but it proves my point i was making. the damage from the r9's are far greater in that video on that specific mob. Even if the g13's were +12 the notice is beyond reconizable. Even with my R8's at +11 I have a general sparked dps of 182,686 and if you take lvl 10 frenzy it is 206,411, and that is just straight math and not counting wolf emblem or any other add, much less what you may or maynot see in game.
That vid is not dealing with his issue. In SOLO 3-3 it's just him no one else. The variant of using frenzy and also using subsea can be different in solo 3-3 as well. I've been saying there is a bigger downfall to 4.0 vs 5.0 that numbers don't show and he kinda gave insight on that. 4.0 and getting stunned means you need to be unsparked more for bosses and possibly use your chi skills to chi up vs using them to amp or something else. I can't say I'm really going to bother with getting r9 daggers for my sin for a very long time (not until my barb is 5.0 sage from r8 reforging and g15 claws to be back to 4.0 base). I honestly don't find the cost beneficial for my TT3-x stuff. I don't pk like him either, so meh.
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After thinking about it further, solo'ing (between the two dags you have) isn't the best to use for them. As you stated, getting stunned and regaining chi is a lot more difficult which is why you're times are just a little faster. You are also hitting a boss with minimal amps with the daggers.
Where you will really see them shine is in PK (I know you don't do), aoe'ing, and if you go in a squad for nirvy. Getting more people to amp for you (demon HF, another sin to subea, veno amp) and you powerdashing will really really show a big damage difference between the two.
As olbaze stated one time in one situation wont give you a really good idea as to their strengths vs your old G13s.BladedZero - Sanctuary
"Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."
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Oh I understand what you are saying, I am just compairing raw power R9 over the g13's. At the end of the video shows just by adding HF to the mix add that much more dmg. I guess it is really down to each persons ability on their class and what they are familar with, personaly I am skipping g13/15 and r9 and farming for warsoul. After I get done moving I will be farming hard core for it b:laugh. Still will take me a while a year or two maybe b:cry.
But anyway have fun!
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...Why...?fairymaster1 wrote: »\personaly I am skipping g13/15 and r9 and farming for warsoul. After I get done moving I will be farming hard core for it b:laugh. Still will take me a while a year or two maybe b:cry.
But anyway have fun!
b:bye
You basically just said "I'll have the tomato soup for $500 instead of the lasagna for $20."Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
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Why not, and it is a more fulfilling goal over anything else that i see personaly. (besides cash shopping your way) what else is there end game to farm that takes an honest effort. Yes you can farm tt/niv for niv daggers but that can be done in a weeks time during 2x, if even that long. It is not about the best for me, its the enjoyment and satisfaction of doing it myself (or with others)
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I am taking donations b:chuckle
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LOL fulfilling goal in PW. That's what the first person thought when they got rank 8 for full price. If you find it fulfilling to spend more on something that's worse, go for it.0
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You find purpose in spending $30,000 on a digital item that you don't even own? Wow dude...fairymaster1 wrote: »Why not, and it is a more fulfilling goal over anything else that i see personaly. (besides cash shopping your way) what else is there end game to farm that takes an honest effort. Yes you can farm tt/niv for niv daggers but that can be done in a weeks time during 2x, if even that long. It is not about the best for me, its the enjoyment and satisfaction of doing it myself (or with others)
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I am taking donations b:chuckle
b:bye
I'm at a loss for words.Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
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Maybe if either of you had taken the time to read my post, i said i was "FARMING" warsoul, never once in my post did i say i was "BUYING" a warsoul. READ then COMMENT please.0
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I stand by my post.0
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Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »I stand by my post.
How so, I wont be spending a dime and how exactly will they be worse?b:chuckle0 -
fairymaster1 wrote: »How so, I wont be spending a dime and how exactly will they be worse?b:chuckle
Time = moneyBladedZero - Sanctuary
"Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."
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Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »Time = money
To a point yes, as I will farming the mats and coins needed to get this weapon, no different than any other, just more expensive and takes quite a bit of time. But other than that he has no point. I already stated I am farming for this weapon and that it may take me one to two years to do it (will the game last that long?). He has no point and neither does the other poster stating 30k in real money to get it. Neither can read. I would love to see how the best weapons in the game are worse. Real numbers please no opinions. This is not about the cost (or time) it takes to get the weapon, just the weapon itself.
You could even go as farm as the electricity i will use farming for warsoul, but that is no point either. I will be here either way.
That's what the first person thought when they got rank 8 for full price
Are you implying he paid real money for R8, this is no point or relevance. Re-Read my previous post.0 -
fairymaster1 wrote: »How so, I wont be spending a dime and how exactly will they be worse?b:chuckle
I said spend more, I didn't say spend more real money. Spending more in game coins for them is still spending more for something worse. And do I really need to explain why GoF + 30 attack levels is better than 50 attack levels?0 -
Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »I said spend more, I didn't say spend more real money. Spending more in game coins for them is still spending more for something worse. And do I really need to explain why GoF + 30 attack levels is better than 50 attack levels?
Well if hes going Full R9 he should get the warsoul dags instead of R9. Highest possible DPH in the game right there.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I do notice that yes, the rank 9 does do a noticable amount of damage better, it just didn't seem like it at first.
Two main problems I'v encountered
1. I am out of chi alot and sometimes unsparked, magnified by bosses sleep,stun,interupt
2. I am not healing as well or steady, and sometimes it even seems like I am maybe starting to kill myself if proc suddenly hits too much.
I've been switching between my two daggers alot an seem to be doing better, maybe I will eventually use my rank 9 all the time, but for now I am glad I still have my +12 g13s.
Also, as a side note, I am very glad I refined my g13 instead of my rank 8. The g13 is still usefull where the rank 8 would not be.0 -
Cloud eruption fixes chi problem. Ive never had a problem using it to get back up to 3 sparks. And then use tangling mire afterwards. Just need a high vit genie. or mag... which is it that increases energy again??[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver wrote: »Well if hes going Full R9 he should get the warsoul dags instead of R9. Highest possible DPH in the game right there.
o.o? 5 armor pieces = 10 attack levels. If you get R9 dags, you gain 20 attack levels from complete the 6th set bonus then 30 from the weapon. So if you have full R9 armor already, getting Warsoul or R9 both give you 50 attack levels, and R9 can zerk so... Warsoul highest possible DPH what?0 -
Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »I said spend more, I didn't say spend more real money. Spending more in game coins for them is still spending more for something worse. And do I really need to explain why GoF + 30 attack levels is better than 50 attack levels?
Yes it is a bit better, but not by much, maybe 20k dps at most just switching out generals badge for r9 ring with the build i used below. I used that as an example as that is my gear - the daggers, add in R8 ones.
http://pwcalc.com/ae891683c373ae83
And again to my original post in the matter, to me it is more enjoyment to be able to farm this, then just farm out right coin to buy reps medals ect, it is to easy. Even if there is a somewhat smaller dps on these over R9, it is not alot and I have no hp loss because of GoF. So GoF + 30 att levels is only better by a small margin in this compairson.
RunningTiger, yes I have that problem as well being stunned ect, the extra 1 aps would be nice to overcome that. But it is what it is.0 -
Surprised to see my video linked here.
Yes that video does not prove much, but it just gives a notion of what +12 R9 can do. If I had the time to farm up enough to +12 those G13s for the hell of it, then I'll make a proper comparison video. But the chances of that are slim to none right now, not with my schedule.
XD Other than that R9+12 is good for most general things, and it does take some time getting used to the loss of attack rate when lowering it. But it'll grow on you.
If you still have the +12 G13 daggers, just use them for 3-3, if you feel more comfortable doing that. Otherwise use the R9 everywhere else.
But if I were you, I would have just used that coin on something other than that.
I mainly made that video because I was bored, and wanted to see pretty numbers spam on the screen.[SIGPIC]Octavia is best pony[/SIGPIC]
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