Dueling Sins

Joey_Cleric - Dreamweaver

Doing Theatre of Blood lately, I've seen a lot of sins whipping the lower lvl players with that shadow walk. As a cleric, no offense, I HATE b:angry those guys! There has got to be some way to beat them. I know I'm only 69, but my sleep is up, and I should be getting Ab. Dom. On the genie any day now. I've read other posts, but I don't even worry about killing them anymore. Just stun and hit Holy Path as I run away with that goofy yell "Ya-hoo-hoo" lol

There's just gotta be some way to hold your own against that class. AOEs knock them out of stealth, but you can't use if you're not locked on. Just want to show some of thos smug little >Insert bad word here< that picking on what they thought was easy prey, can turn deadly.

Thank you. Oh, and I'm about to post something in gen. Disc. Too if you care to take a look.

Eoria - Harshlands

1. Get to 100+ and get decent gear.
2. Pray they don't have decent gear too.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

Sleep them
Holy path away and hope they forget about u.

Eoria - Harshlands

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sleep them
Holy path away and hope they forget about u.

Most sins will have Tidal up which will make sleep not work a good percent of the time.

Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver

For a seeker, you spam cloud eruption and edged blur, no more stealthed sin b:laugh.

But for cleric, I am lost toob:surrender. best bet would be to spam aoe and hope to get lucky.....

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

Use expel. Fly down. Run. Hope they forget about you.

StacysMum - Dreamweaver

Get a mount, get expel, hope they are that weak that it actually works, which will be almost never. Just a problem that gets worst, just letting them kill you or running away is by far more effective than trying to kill them.

Prophete - Dreamweaver

You have not a single chance against a decent sin, really.

Hiemus - Raging Tide

The cleric class is designed to be physically weak, and the assassin class is made to deal highest physical damage in one strike. You know that, they know that, and that is why sins pick on clerics to make themselves feel better about something.

_Perses_ - Lost City

Shard pure g11 garnet gems in your gear and have a bm put bell on you before going in. Then laugh as they can't do anything to your insane p.def

Then as they just try and aps you, failing, put them to sleep, debuff, and hit with wield thunder for a nice big number and then pm them "haha! you can't kill a squishie, fail sin!!"



But that is just what I would do if I could afford it b:cute

StacysMum - Dreamweaver

_Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »

Shard pure g11 garnet gems in your gear and have a bm put bell on you before going in. Then laugh as they can't do anything to your insane p.def

Then as they just try and aps you, failing, put them to sleep, debuff, and hit with wield thunder for a nice big number and then pm them "haha! you can't kill a squishie, fail sin!!"



But that is just what I would do if I could afford it b:cute

They can still one shot you, they can even one shot barbs in Tiger form. 25K hit on a white voodoo uber Psy means no hope for any Arcane and not much hope for anything else. Only way not to lose is not to fight.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

Step one. Make sure that you have genie, and apoth ready.

Step two. Get ready for duel. Stack a few IH's, and plumeshell.

Step three. Decline offer to duel. You just won the duel, and came out alive. That's what you wanted isn't it? Lol.

...or...accept duel, and holy pathx2, +apoth to get away from said sin, and end it in a draw. Lol.

The first option is safer though. Lol.

On a serious note, I stopped dueling sins, and bm's after I was stunned by a sin 20 levels lower than me, aps'ed, stunned again, and basically stunlocked the whole match. I was around level 80's then, and haven't dueled one since then. Pvp, you could fight them better, but duels don't even begin at max range...not that it matters much, but it helps. The unfortunate truth is that we play an arcane class that does have the highest, second highest, or even third highest dph. We're a defensive mage, but have few defenses against sins. The kill speed in which they can kill bosses, is a sign of the damage that they can do to us. Clerics...like a few other classes need newer moves, skills, and abilities throughout this game to keep up with the newer classes that were made. We also need a higher dph too...at least equivalent to a mystics....or slightly better since they have a pet to aid them.

Sorry that I'm drifting off topic some, but to sum it up. You don't really stand too much chance, and in regards to the theater of blood...just run....or go there with some friends or something. Maybe team up with someone. IDK, since I've never been.

This information probably does not help any, but meh...it's all I've got. Lol.

Good luck, and feel free to inform the rest of us if you figure something out. The way it seems, we all have nothing. Lol.

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

Usually if they have r8, a quick tempest will do the trick, or tempest+cyclone to finish that last 20% "save my butt" thing.

The way sins go is pretty much the same every time, either:

1. Stealth away
2. Buff self (some times even using chill of the deep...)
3. Spark
4. Sleep/stun target
5. APS
6. Keep stunlocking and repeating step 4 and 5 until target is dead.


OR:

1. Before duel, buff self.
2. Stunlock target
3. APS
4. Keep stunlocking and repeating step 2 and 3 until target is dead.


OR the last one:

1. Before duel, buff self.
2. Stunlock target
3. If they manage to sleep before the sin can move, after the 1st hit, stealth.
4. Recover
5. Spark
6. Stunlock again
7. APS
8. Keep stunlock and repeating step 6 and 7 until target is dead.



How can a cleric beat this? go faster.

I've been able to handle some (not all ofcourse...) sins of my own level, with my current 1.4k phy def, combining your defensive skills (you have more than plume shell ya know? if you get this right they will deal 300 or less damage per hit) will give you some advantage for few seconds, which YOU MUST BE QUICK ENOUGH to use.

For stunlocking, go do your homework.

b:bye

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Air battles are your friend.

Part of the trick is getting their shadow teleport (stun) in cd. I'd AD this, or if you expect it coming then jump and they'll stun you in the air and not be able to attack. 3 min cooldown on their tele stun

If they teleport to you, HP away and then silent seal since now they'll have 15 seconds of tele cd. Hopefully you can 1-3 shot them first.

Use your shields, ofc. Stack them if you have to, Guardian Light and WoP are both instant. IG if you have AD in cd.


Other options are trying to chain AD, IG, and shields and literally standing and fighting while immune, hoping for a 1 shot crit or 2-3 shot before your no longer immune/stunned.

FrozenAotC - Harshlands

You are all such wimps, I destroy most Sins in pk and i'm only a r8 cleric with decent shards. The best combo that i have found to work is, and follow this to the letter. They hit you first, if u survive it, Expel them ASAP. after the stun that you probably have Chromatic Seal aka Sleep their ***. Then IH yourself a couple of times, immobilize them, element decrease, plume shell, then go to town and hope they don't telestun. If they survive after the first 3 shots, then you are in for a fight, but most wont be able to withstand this. I 1-3 shot most sins doing this. GL to you wimps who always run to.b:bye

Swannx - Archosaur

Have genie skills ready, have apoth ready, have chi up, use magic attack charms, use physical defense charms, equip a rune, equip an HP and MP charm (important for plume shell tanking), have crab meat (and actually use it, don't forget it's there), try to get as many buffs as you can, and of course, have GOOD GEAR. In this day and age of the rank 8/9 reign, you can't afford to be in a PK situation without good gear; sub-par just doesn't cut it anymore, not to mention you're a pretty low level.

But if you feel eager to take on sins, I highly recommend just practicing. Put yourself in a faction that TWs at least once a week, inevitably in TW you will run into sins countless times, and from the practice there, the reflexes will begin to come naturally. Counter-attacks and how to deal in certain situations will become instinct. Don't be afraid to spark, and remember that there is no such thing as a useless cleric skill. Learn how to use sleep and seal effectively.

Although, if the sin is r9 and comes out of stealth to go kill you, there's just no chance. Usually I'm dead before I see the sin come out of stealth on my screen if they're just R9+12 OP OP OP. Don't feel bad in situations like that, it takes a lot of talent to PvP as a cleric, but no one can really say the same for the sin class.

Edit///
The above cleric is right. Although we are squishy to sins (well, all melee in general), you can't forget that melee is also squishy to magic, something that we have. Many, many sins will be 1-3 shots for a cleric, this includes whether they are HP charmed or not.

Ahira - Lost City

Sleep sin- triple spark- town teleport b:cool

VKnightV - Lost City

go heavy ep

linkofshade

If you don't get one shot, expel, iron heart self, silent seal, let them tele stun you (hope your silent seal lasts 7 seconds since they won't be able to hit you even if they tele to you), sleep, get some distance, spark, plume shell, vacuity pot, and destroy =3

Mekkhala - Lost City

FrozenAotC - Harshlands wrote: »

You are all such wimps, I destroy most Sins in pk and i'm only a r8 cleric with decent shards. The best combo that i have found to work is, and follow this to the letter. They hit you first, if u survive it, Expel them ASAP. after the stun that you probably have Chromatic Seal aka Sleep their ***. Then IH yourself a couple of times, immobilize them, element decrease, plume shell, then go to town and hope they don't telestun. If they survive after the first 3 shots, then you are in for a fight, but most wont be able to withstand this. I 1-3 shot most sins doing this. GL to you wimps who always run to.b:bye

that would work on a horribad sin who doesn't know their skills.
thankfully, thats the majority of them.

Elanxu - Dreamweaver

To anyone who believe that full garnet shards will save you from a sin...

no, it definitely wont. At most, a clerics phys defense will hit around 12k. Sparked nirvy sins can still hit 1ks on you per second, and with plume shell on, you will still die in about 5 seconds if u have 10k health (rough estimate). Unless you are an expert at timing seals and AD and stuff, the defense is not gona save you, and probly wont even if you are an expert.

To beat a sin, you must hit them before they hit you. And because they can stealth, its almost impossible to do that. AOE people around them, and pray that they get hit as well.

_Ghoul_ - Lost City

go heavy ep get nirvana heavy gear deff shard armor and u might stand a chance

Ahira - Lost City

Sins dont really take that much longer dropping average refine HA compared to arcane. =/

I think the best tip I can give is to have an idea beforehand what you're going to do if you get jumped by a sin.

I would suggest by default you should always try to escape so come up with your preferred skill/pot/genie combo to do that. Because the pvp is faster its better not to try to have make decisions during the fight.

VoItaire - Harshlands

FrozenAotC - Harshlands wrote: »

You are all such wimps, I destroy most Sins in pk and i'm only a r8 cleric with decent shards. The best combo that i have found to work is, and follow this to the letter. They hit you first, if u survive it, Expel them ASAP. after the stun that you probably have Chromatic Seal aka Sleep their ***. Then IH yourself a couple of times, immobilize them, element decrease, plume shell, then go to town and hope they don't telestun. If they survive after the first 3 shots, then you are in for a fight, but most wont be able to withstand this. I 1-3 shot most sins doing this. GL to you wimps who always run to.b:bye

They weren't talking about **** sins that no one cares about like your bro. lol @ putting "Expel them" in what's supposed to be a reliable strategy.

Kurisutina - Sanctuary

For sins I would advise as others have said using expel. If you time it right with your spark you are not sealed. Also you can use expel on them. They won't take physical damage but they'll be sealed and you can hit them with any of your magic attacks. Don't plume shot as it's a physical attack. Use armor charms in case you can't kill them. If they're much higher with better gear throw up your white flag. xD

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

To anyone who believe that full garnet shards will save you from a sin...

no, it definitely wont. At most, a clerics phys defense will hit around 12k. Sparked nirvy sins can still hit 1ks on you per second, and with plume shell on, you will still die in about 5 seconds if u have 10k health (rough estimate). Unless you are an expert at timing seals and AD and stuff, the defense is not gona save you, and probly wont even if you are an expert.

To beat a sin, you must hit them before they hit you. And because they can stealth, its almost impossible to do that. AOE people around them, and pray that they get hit as well.

clerics in DW sure are squishy o.o

Kanmi - Sanctuary

We don't even know if she meant fully buff, selfbuff or unbuff... so...

apex1predator

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

clerics in DW sure are squishy o.o

12k pdef with self buffs and Bell(not sage) is pretty high. Im curious to see what you think is 'standard' on your server. Link to pwi calc would be nice too

Kanmi - Sanctuary

apex1predator wrote: »

12k pdef with self buffs and Bell(not sage) is pretty high. Im curious to see what you think is 'standard' on your server. Link to pwi calc would be nice too

Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

To anyone who believe that full garnet shards will save you from a sin...

no, it definitely wont. At most, a clerics phys defense will hit around 12k.

It's not about standard, she said 12k is the most you can reach, which is wrong if fully buff

Ok here, let's say selfbuff with bell lv10 my current build and what i'm working on . And wow if i were rich

I'm Sage, feel free to play with my 10sec 100% p.def from vanguard spirit and add Sage/demon bell . Even if i was demon, you could play with it, assuming i'm spaming SoR .

StacysMum - Dreamweaver

OP was talking about a pvp instance, with a kill me lightbulb above peoples heads. Arcanes are **** vs invisable people, think about it.
Best advice, don't go in, save yourself some time and just roll a melee class for pvp instances, preferably a sin.