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DeathenShada - Archosaur

Ok i'm a level 100 Demon Archer and my damage seems to be lacking I have other people hitting way more then me and it's depressing.

Here is my current gear.

http://pwcalc.com/4bf71a74ecb0d090

Can you guys look and see whats making me fail?

Thanks

Joshcja - Sanctuary

DeathenShada - Archosaur wrote: »

Ok i'm a level 100 Demon Archer and my damage seems to be lacking I have other people hitting way more then me and it's depressing.

Here is my current gear.

http://pwcalc.com/4bf71a74ecb0d090

Can you guys look and see whats making me fail?

Thanks

your problem is you are wearing mabey 10 mill in gear total

Badazmofo - Dreamweaver

Im assumeing you are not a fist archer (since you have no -interval at all) http://pwcalc.com/803373931232b455 i recomend this, im also assumeing you have limited income so you cant afford anything very big so ive tried to make it the best i could think with the cheapst cost

DeathenShada - Archosaur

not right now i'm not but i will be getting full interval gear for nirvana and decides. (dunno how poor as **)

And thank you for the suggestion

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver

http://pwcalc.com/144ed4bc8048ae91

Few changes: +2 the Gear, Mirages they'll +2 a piece in a handful generally

Flawless shards in everything: They're effectively cheaper than Beautifuls, or at least more cost effect (140k a piece)

89 Mold Neck + Belt : About 1-1.5 mil for the pair, and they're quite good and easy to get.

+2 Vast Land: It's like 2-3 mil and hits harder than anything that won't cost you 15mil +

Stated Out Str: 130 is waay too much Str. You really only need 104, more if you want fist and can't get +Str gear, but at this point.

Aqua Viciousness: As you'd need a Helm with less Str req, but still good HP. Stating for a higher helm would be silly unless it's a Warsoul.

In the Future TT 99 Bracers/Boots and Either R8 or a Broad Land would be good to look forward to after.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear

TT99 Gold bow is very cheap. Dragonbow: Nameless , I think. The one that gives HP, not range.

DeathenShada - Archosaur

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://pwcalc.com/144ed4bc8048ae91


Stated Out Str: 130 is waay too much Str. You really only need 104, more if you want fist and can't get +Str gear, but at this point.

You try to wear Deicides with only 104 str hehehe

Salasyn - Heavens Tear

That's embarrassing, my level 81 archer had more HP and around the same attack as you...at level 80.

It's easy to get +3 with just mirages. Do it. Get rank 8 and some decent gear.

Edit: Hell, my level 80 Mystic only has 70? HP less then you. It's pure magic just by the way.

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver

DeathenShada - Archosaur wrote: »

You try to wear Deicides with only 104 str hehehe

He's Demon he can Get away with just Gorenoxs:

3.33 Base needs -.4 Int : .05 Fists/Cape/TT 99 Set bonus (x2) .1 Top and .1 Bracers.

To get 135 str: 7 from Belt, 6 from cape, 5 from helm = 122, so that's only 13 more to get from Ring (engraving) and a Tome, with min stat on the APS gear. 5 APS demon with base Str is quite easy, though that's probably a long term goal for him considering his gear.

Just for the sake of excessive +str gear : http://pwcalc.com/a0ad249132fd1f0c

5APS with Nivana fists at 104 str, with the fists being the only really hard piece of gear to get.

WangZi - Dreamweaver

Personally I'd say stay pure dex/bow since fistchers are weak as hell... unless you have a crapload of strength and crazy refine weapon, aps isn't everything

StacysMum - Dreamweaver

1) You power lvled (attendance ring good? You should have atleast one perfect by 100) You therefore lack understanding of your class and how to build for DPH (then you go on about dps after complaining about damage suck?

2) Fist sucks azz (its the reason ONLY lvl 100 archers use them). If your gonna be a fail close in aps failure atleast get HA and decides.

3) Why did you even make an archer (don't answer I was just being mean) + (because you deserve it)

4) Why the ____ do you even have an ethereal belt?

5) ???

6) On a plus note you will soon get bored and be gone.

7) Anyone seen where all the good archers went (the ones that used bows and skills) I miss them If you out there Ben rip b:cry

Vindis - Dreamweaver

WangZi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Personally I'd say stay pure dex/bow since fistchers are weak as hell... unless you have a crapload of strength and crazy refine weapon, aps isn't everything

Quoted for truth ^

Pytharia - Lost City

Pure dex is great, but in all honesty 5aps archer is great for farming. I agree it's a bit tedious how APS has literally taken over but we have to adapt. You're not loosing a whole bunch of dex to use claws and they do raise your dps a hell of a lot, you won't do amazing damage with low str using claws but it's something.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1) You power lvled (attendance ring good? You should have atleast one perfect by 100) You therefore lack understanding of your class and how to build for DPH (then you go on about dps after complaining about damage suck?

2) Fist sucks azz (its the reason ONLY lvl 100 archers use them). If your gonna be a fail close in aps failure atleast get HA and decides.

3) Why did you even make an archer (don't answer I was just being mean) + (because you deserve it)

4) Why the ____ do you even have an ethereal belt?

5) ???

6) On a plus note you will soon get bored and be gone.

7) Anyone seen where all the good archers went (the ones that used bows and skills) I miss them If you out there Ben rip b:cry

lol WTF I've been playing this game since 2008, have yet to powerlevel a character more than 10 levels, and have yet to get a single attendance ring...

DeathenShada - Archosaur

StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1) You power lvled (attendance ring good? You should have atleast one perfect by 100) You therefore lack understanding of your class and how to build for DPH (then you go on about dps after complaining about damage suck?

2) Fist sucks azz (its the reason ONLY lvl 100 archers use them). If your gonna be a fail close in aps failure atleast get HA and decides.

3) Why did you even make an archer (don't answer I was just being mean) + (because you deserve it)

4) Why the ____ do you even have an ethereal belt?

5) ???

6) On a plus note you will soon get bored and be gone.

7) Anyone seen where all the good archers went (the ones that used bows and skills) I miss them If you out there Ben rip b:cry

1) no comment your not forced to do that quest ijs
2) no they don't suck I want fists for nirvana lots of archers have them get your head checked
3) I like the class need I say more
4) I have that belt because a) it was cheep b) the stats c) archer = dex class more evasion is ok nab
5) errr
6) no I won't plus i've been playing for over 2 years now so gtfo and jump off a bridge troll
7) bows = ok Skills why would a archer use skills sept for a couple for boss,tw, or duels with good aps and base damage you just regular attack.

So in short trolls aren't welcome and your a idiot go back to elementary.

To everyone else who gave positive info thanks.


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Salasyn - Heavens Tear

DeathenShada - Archosaur wrote: »

1) no comment your not forced to do that quest ijs
2) no they don't suck I want fists for nirvana lots of archers have them get your head checked
3) I like the class need I say more
4) I have that belt because a) it was cheep b) the stats c) archer = dex class more evasion is ok nab
5) errr
6) no I won't plus i've been playing for over 2 years now so gtfo and jump off a bridge troll
7) bows = ok Skills why would a archer use skills sept for a couple for boss,tw, or duels with good aps and base damage you just regular attack.

So in short trolls aren't welcome and your a idiot go back to elementary.

To everyone else who gave positive info thanks.


Mods if you ever read this lock the topic (I made it my question was answered)

You make me lulz.

DeathenShada - Archosaur

It's not a endgame belt jeez getting so worked up you people >.>

devotion

From what I can tell you don't cash shop.

Found your problem.

The most efficient boost you can get is from the cheap *** rank 8. You get a nice interval top for fists and a good bow. If you are unable to get the coin or cash shop for rank 8 get used to playing a very frustrating game.

Salasyn - Heavens Tear

DeathenShada - Archosaur wrote: »

It's not a endgame belt jeez getting so worked up you people >.>

You can get better level 95 3 star physical belts. For much less as well, probably.

Typhyse - Sanctuary

DeathenShada - Archosaur wrote: »

It's not a endgame belt jeez getting so worked up you people >.>

You asked why people are hitting harder than you. People are giving you your answer...
Welcome to the nerdrage of the PWI Elite.

Astraea - Raging Tide

quite honestly, your archer is below the average for an archer, even some of the poorest archers have managed to get around this much with the only "expensive" gear being getting rank 8 which even farming, since we just had a full month of 2x is easy to get

StacysMum - Dreamweaver

DeathenShada - Archosaur wrote: »

1) no comment your not forced to do that quest ijs
2) no they don't suck I want fists for nirvana lots of archers have them get your head checked They do they do suck everybody says so XD3) I like the class need I say more No you don't you like sin but don't want the aps shame4) I have that belt because a) it was cheep b) the stats c) archer = dex class more evasion is ok nab Evasion? What are you ****? Ever seen a boss miss much?5) errr
6) no I won't plus i've been playing for over 2 years now so gtfo and jump off a bridge troll I don't know what you been doing for 2 years but it hasn't been 'playing' or working by the sounds of it XD7) bows = ok Skills why would a archer use skills sept for a couple for boss,tw, or duels with good aps and base damage you just regular attack. Fine be a m0r0n, try and kill a barb with fists I double dare you XD
So in short trolls aren't welcome and your (you're) a (an) idiot go back to elementary (note changes in brackets, you go back XD).To everyone else who gave positive info thanks.


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Aesthor - Heavens Tear

WangZi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Personally I'd say stay pure dex/bow since fistchers are weak as hell... unless you have a crapload of strength and crazy refine weapon, aps isn't everything

I have exactly 105 strength AFTER calculating in a scroll of tome and I can wear claws with mediocre strength rings. You can hit 146 str from 105 with the TT99 belt, sky demon's pearl, 2 str rings, and the lunar cape....and I think I have to wear my Helm of the Lion Spirit too. You'll have to roll max str on a few of those items, but neither of my rings are engraved so I imagine if you get any str add you'll need even less than what I'm using.

With that setup I can hit 4.00 unsparked with r8 top and 3 r9 pieces.

Sint - Harshlands

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have exactly 105 strength AFTER calculating in a scroll of tome and I can wear claws with mediocre strength rings. You can hit 146 str from 105 with the TT99 belt, sky demon's pearl, 2 str rings, and the lunar cape....and I think I have to wear my Helm of the Lion Spirit too. You'll have to roll max str on a few of those items, but neither of my rings are engraved so I imagine if you get any str add you'll need even less than what I'm using.

With that setup I can hit 4.00 unsparked with r8 top and 3 r9 pieces.

i believe max str on (both)rings is something like +34 with engrave, more than enough to use gorenox vanity.

personally, i'm planning to get a 3S tome to switch with LUaD 105 str with LUaD, 137 with 3S, gorenox vanity fists. 4.0 base, using full aps gear with r9 pants. could switch out ashura wrist and boots for the r9 pieces if i wanted to keep the 10def and 1 crit bonuses

Sint - Harshlands

DeathenShada - Archosaur wrote: »

Ok i'm a level 100 Demon Archer and my damage seems to be lacking I have other people hitting way more then me and it's depressing.

Here is my current gear.

http://pwcalc.com/4bf71a74ecb0d090

Can you guys look and see whats making me fail?

Thanks

DESTINY is making you fail. You were born to fail.

WangZi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Personally I'd say stay pure dex/bow since fistchers are weak as hell... unless you have a crapload of strength and crazy refine weapon, aps isn't everything

Make a char on a pvp server and have some real pvp. You cant tell the difference between a fist archer and a pure dex one from how hard they hit. Bows have a massive dmg interval. 10-40 dex either way does not make a huge difference. Even if it did, some people use gear to bridge that gap. But maybe that's just too hard for you.

To whoever said archer dmg sucks with fists, you're a moron. Archer dmg with fists is roughly 7/8 of a similarly geared bm's dmg with fists. If both are using TT100 fists, and the boss you're killing can be cursed with STA or Blood Vow, the archer is quite possibly more efficient.

StacysMum - Dreamweaver

Might also be worth mentioning before above guy has an embolism that ANYTHING using fist sucks azz. Archer same as fist BM, no kidding, same fail damage not really much in it to be quite honest so its hard to tell the difference. Claw BM > fist bm, Bow Archer > than fist Archer. If you seriously statted for fists at end game you might want to ask your calculator what your head was doing when it decided to wipe your azz with it. Then licked it to see if it was ok b:chuckle Thats what you ppl do isn't it, throw money at something go 'oh ****' later than proclaim to have seen the light and maybe some rubbish excuse about 'just seeing' what it was like. Also what was this talk about 'real pvp' on a pvp server. Seriously I'm curious did they put flouride in the water on Harshlands or did you misplace your calculator again?

P.S Bows have a massive damage interval because oh I don't know maybe their damage is way way higher than a fist XD. What kind of archer are you anyway, perhaps you are one of those flying fish XD, or maybe you hang out with sins so much they convinced you that pulling a boss with random agro is the greatest crime ever. God forbid a boss ever takes 5 seconds longer to kill, you all might die of old age or something. Children, bless them b:kiss

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

Sint - Harshlands wrote: »

i believe max str on (both)rings is something like +34 with engrave, more than enough to use gorenox vanity.

personally, i'm planning to get a 3S tome to switch with LUaD 105 str with LUaD, 137 with 3S, gorenox vanity fists. 4.0 base, using full aps gear with r9 pants. could switch out ashura wrist and boots for the r9 pieces if i wanted to keep the 10def and 1 crit bonuses

Have fun finding the max str rings. Realistically you can find them with 8 str in addons +7 in engrave for a total of 30 str total on both rings. However you also have the TT99 belt for str and some in the -int cape.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Claw BM > fist bm, Bow Archer > than fist Archer.

Lets see... my archer would easily have over 500 dex... and even with my +12 r9 bow... I don't stand a snowball chance in hell holding aggro over a +10 or above 5aps archer after the first 2 spark cycles. Granted in my squad... if there is a 5aps user... most boss don't last pass 2 spark cycles.

StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »

P.S Bows have a massive damage interval because oh I don't know maybe their damage is way way higher than a fist XD.

No **** bow have higher damage when compared to fists... PER HIT. The problem lies in the 1aps bow vs 5 aps fists. Unless you are going to show me a bow that has 5x the damage index of a fist... I am just going to say that you are an idiot that can't see pass the first two hits. And on the off chance you can actually pull a bow with 5x the damage index... I got a few thousand gold left on my various accounts.

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver

It's not the 5APS, its the Chi Gain at 5 APS. The Damage difference between Sparked and un-Sparked GVs on my Archer is about 2-2.1k vs 6.8-7.1k. At 5 APS you can be hitting 5 attacks at over 7k base damage a hit. Even if the bow did 5x the damage, between the 50-100% damage range and the ~1/5th chi gain you'd still hit weaker on average.

Fist damage sucks. Fist speed and how often they can spark if why they are even useful. If each bow shot gave you 25 chi, no one in the right mind would use fists on an Archer (Perma-spark bow damage would be insane)

Plus, My R8 bow already does 4.5-6.5 the DPH GVs do. So bow do hit like 5x damage fists do, fists just hit 5x as fast and spark 3-4x as often + have no damage range.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Might also be worth mentioning before above guy has an embolism that ANYTHING using fist sucks azz. Archer same as fist BM, no kidding, same fail damage not really much in it to be quite honest so its hard to tell the difference. Claw BM > fist bm, Bow Archer > than fist Archer. If you seriously statted for fists at end game you might want to ask your calculator what your head was doing when it decided to wipe your azz with it. Then licked it to see if it was ok b:chuckle Thats what you ppl do isn't it, throw money at something go 'oh ****' later than proclaim to have seen the light and maybe some rubbish excuse about 'just seeing' what it was like. Also what was this talk about 'real pvp' on a pvp server. Seriously I'm curious did they put flouride in the water on Harshlands or did you misplace your calculator again?

P.S Bows have a massive damage interval because oh I don't know maybe their damage is way way higher than a fist XD. What kind of archer are you anyway, perhaps you are one of those flying fish XD, or maybe you hang out with sins so much they convinced you that pulling a boss with random agro is the greatest crime ever. God forbid a boss ever takes 5 seconds longer to kill, you all might die of old age or something. Children, bless them b:kiss

You have a very low mental capacity. Kindly, retrace your steps from the trail of stupid that you have smeared on the ground and try to wander back out of the archer subforums.

That's the most humane way to go about this, aside from putting you out of your misery.

Quilue - Sanctuary

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

You have a very low mental capacity. Kindly, retrace your steps from the trail of stupid that you have smeared on the ground and try to wander back out of the archer subforums.

That's the most humane way to go about this, aside from putting you out of your misery with claws.

Fixed.