Let's talk about APS

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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0
    BladedZero - Sanctuary
    "Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."

    -And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute
  • rgog
    rgog Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Really it is only SIN's that are OP'ed with APS, I say cap them at 4.0, still leaves them at the top without making them so godly.

    Also fix -chan so it gives a damage bonus so casters can be relevant to the game again.
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    rgog wrote: »
    Really it is only SIN's that are OP'ed with APS, I say cap them at 4.0, still leaves them at the top without making them so godly.

    Also fix -chan so it gives a damage bonus so casters can be relevant to the game again.

    Are you really that dumb or were you dropped on your head as a baby?
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    "Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."

    -And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute
  • Veri - Lothranis
    Veri - Lothranis Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Kyrian_Wolfe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    1. Should the APS system be nerfed?
    2. Should sins have an easier (but weaker) 5.0 to help them reach 5.0?
    3. Insert comments here.
    4. Discuss.

    1. Why nerf something when you can buff others ?
    2. Getting the best should never be made too easy to reach, but if it shines above everything else it should be nerfed (Nerfing 1 instead of buffing all others is easier)
    3. Does anyone have average DPS comparison chart of every class with max/best gear ?
    4. Im a noob
  • Kyrian_Wolfe - Heavens Tear
    Kyrian_Wolfe - Heavens Tear Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Veri - Lothranis wrote: »
    1. Why nerf something when you can buff others ?
    2. Getting the best should never be made too easy to reach, but if it shines above everything else it should be nerfed (Nerfing 1 instead of buffing all others is easier)
    3. Does anyone have average DPS comparison chart of every class with max/best gear ?
    4. Im a noob

    1. I also have a 5.0 BM
    2. I do agree with you there.
    3. I'd like to see this as well.
    4. We all are apparently.
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    2) It simplifies gameplay down to idiot levels. Just casting demon spark over and over gets old. You don't need any other skill. I've never even seen a BM cast any of the fist skills they claim to have but the occasional cyclone heel.

    The other fist skills are either bad or redundant. Vacuous never saw use, Shadow Kick's function is duplicated by the immunity period when running up and sparking at a boss. And with BP there isn't much of a reason to use Shadow during the fight. And with CC being gone, DBB is only useful in a 1v1 against a BM using Phys Marrow.

    The sad thing is more how people both don't know, and can't think of how to work without 5.0 APS. On a boss that keeps killing people, the answer is get a sin to tank it. Whereas on the same boss over a year and a half ago, we just Myriad-locked it and had a cakewalk with less refines and weaker gear. Or even getting the distance down to use a Leap to get inside a mob's melee range and bypass their normal ranged/magic attacks.

    It's mainly sad that the solution seems to be 5.0, and if that doesn't work find a stronger 5.0 to throw at it. Makes you wonder how anyone could think packs and FCC haven't brought the skill level of players down, if it doesn't even occur to them how to try to work without it.
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    I must again protest the idea that only sins are the problem.

    One prominent member of my faction is a 5.0 BM, and a friend of mine ingame. One time when he and I were helping my brother get a few TT mats, I asked him how much he hit for (I believe the boss was 2-1 Ape). He said about 4k... not sure if that was with spark or without, but I believe it was without. So that's 20k damage dealt per second. I can't even remember what damage I did in that fight, but it was nowhere near 20k/second even with spark.

    This game was designed so that even the most competent tank with the best aggro skills (natch, a good barb) can still be stolen from by an incompetent DD. The net effect of that is, DDs naturally get better at controlling their aggro after their initial idiocy causes a squad wipe or two. But 5.0 throws this entire concept under the bus. Why control your damage output when your tank can out-DPS you by a factor of 4 or 5 or even 10? Does no one else see that as cheap... or cheating? >_>

    So don't put all the blame on sins, here. I know we've all been killed in cube by them far too many times for it to still be funny, but let's not forget what the real culprit here is.
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  • XXZeonXx - Harshlands
    XXZeonXx - Harshlands Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvMdxcuAV4k&feature=related

    'Nuff said.

    Edit: Lmao, look at the health being recovered from Bloodpaint, especially in the DG one at the end. XD I saw a 10k.
    Also, was the last hit in the DG part a 506k zerk crit or are my eyes lying to me?
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  • Daedallus - Sanctuary
    Daedallus - Sanctuary Posts: 554 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    XXZeonXx - Harshlands wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvMdxcuAV4k&feature=related

    'Nuff said.

    Edit: Lmao, look at the health being recovered from Bloodpaint, especially in the DG one at the end. XD I saw a 10k.
    Also, was the last hit in the DG part a 506k zerk crit or are my eyes lying to me?

    Lol it was a 506k hit b:shocked

    Now seriously say APS sin isn't broken ( you can't laugh/smile/grin saying it :P )

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