Archer in caster nirvana!

Andres - Dreamweaver
Andres - Dreamweaver Posts: 462 Arc User
edited September 2011 in Archer
PWI Y U NOT LET ME DO CASTER NIRVANA? I TOO HAS MAGIK SKILLZ

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Thanks to Regenesis members _Raszagal_, Sympsy, Tiyanna, LoCoWoKo and my wifey AznBloodV for taking me to caster nirvana ;D
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    The problem with caster nirvana is that most of the people who do it have really bad gear. There are almost no full R9 caster squads because R9 casters are all either CS users, merchants, or have 5.0 alts that they use for farming instead.

    I have done like one fast caster nirv which was alright but most of the time it's really slow because everyone has tt99/R8. R9 archers still out-dd the vast majority of casters in there. Just use your genie to spam chi skills and do triple sparked metal combos. Sage is alot better at this though with their faster metals, water frost, and li technique.
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  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    I've been trying to convince people in my faction (Kindrid) to come caster nirvy with me (r8+5/6 Sage archer), but many (BMs, Barbs, Sins) remained convinced that my metal/frost attacks would be nulled because *they were based off dex/str and not magic*.

    Can't wait to prove them wrong lol (especially since my normal squads always have 2+ casters)

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  • Anfisa - Lost City
    Anfisa - Lost City Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    but many (BMs, Barbs, Sins) remained convinced that my metal/frost attacks would be nulled because *they were based off dex/str and not magic*.
    Hey look, more people that don't understand basic mechanics of the game :D
  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Anfisa - Lost City wrote: »
    Hey look, more people that don't understand basic mechanics of the game :D

    Yeah I love some people's idiocy. I was like, does plume shot work in there then? (knowing it was physical and based off of magic stat to counter their argument) they were like lol no. I was like rofl then my skills work, not to mention *already having tested it on physical immune mobs in delta xD*
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  • Aeroboi - Heavens Tear
    Aeroboi - Heavens Tear Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    im gona sound nub here, but

    how dose an archer get into caster nirvana. i have no clue about caster nirvana and know next to nothing about it.

    reason for asking this. i assumed it wouldnt open unless all where casters, also guessing you used tails men from Bh reward
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Any class can get in as long as you have the talisman.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    Any class can get in as long as you have the talisman.

    any class can open... but not any class can start.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The problem with caster nirvana is that most of the people who do it have really bad gear. There are almost no full R9 caster squads because R9 casters are all either CS users, merchants, or have 5.0 alts that they use for farming instead.

    I have done like one fast caster nirv which was alright but most of the time it's really slow because everyone has tt99/R8. R9 archers still out-dd the vast majority of casters in there. Just use your genie to spam chi skills and do triple sparked metal combos. Sage is alot better at this though with their faster metals, water frost, and li technique.

    a post which pretty much says everything that needs to be said about caster nirvana.
    Casters are in vast majority under geared. Well, under geared for September 2011 that is, not for January 2010. Most of the former caster switched to aps toons to have a chance to gear up their casters, but found out that beside maybe TW there isn't much use for a caster in PvE, and everything you could do with the caster you can do better and faster with the aps class. And then you realized you can't keep up gearing 2 chars vs guys that gear just one, so slowly a "temp" move to aps became permanent.
    The caster nirvana is slow, very slow, cannot be compared with even a 3 man aps squad even with high R8 refines. R9? if you have already R9 what the eff are you doing in a caster nirvana anyway? There's not much to do beside TW with a R9 caster, and unless you CSed for it, you're actually losing money not farming with your money making aps toon.
    Don't get me wrong , caster Nirvana is a great idea. Just 2 years late to the party.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    The talisman stuff is also dumb. Unlike keys they expire so you can't save them up and spam them during 2x. With good squads people are able to spam normal nirv with 10 runs per hour. Caster nirv you do one run and you're done so there's not much benefit in trying to get a good squad organized.

    They should just remove the talisman requirement and give all squads the choice at the start to talk to either the Old Man or the Priest.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Casters are in vast majority under geared. Well, under geared for September 2011 that is, not for January 2010.

    I don't know where you have been... and it seems like you just complain a lot. But of the 4ish caster nirv that I did. Each run we have 3-4 r9s... and about 2 of them are +12 r9s.
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  • Heartz - Dreamweaver
    Heartz - Dreamweaver Posts: 422 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I don't know where you have been... and it seems like you just complain a lot. But of the 4ish caster nirv that I did. Each run we have 3-4 r9s... and about 2 of them are +12 r9s.

    DW dont exactly have that many extreme geared casters. ofc is some. but its true vast majorty is not R9. I cant say percentages..
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  • Aeroboi - Heavens Tear
    Aeroboi - Heavens Tear Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    any class can open... but not any class can start.

    This sounds contradicting. I take it anyone ccan get in. But u need a caster as lead to start the nirvana.?
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Aeroboi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This sounds contradicting. I take it anyone ccan get in. But u need a caster as lead to start the nirvana.?

    Yes. All members of squad must have a talisman and leader must be a caster (I think). Those are the only requirements.
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I don't know where you have been... and it seems like you just complain a lot. But of the 4ish caster nirv that I did. Each run we have 3-4 r9s... and about 2 of them are +12 r9s.

    I've been around, on and off...But unlike you, I kinda' know what's happening on DW server. Sure, LC & HT might have more +12 R9 casters, I don't deny that.
    But you know, look at Asterelle posts, just word from someone else: 6 x 5 aps spamming 10 nirv/hour during x2. Get 6 x +12 r9 casters, see how many you can spam? oh wait, you can do just one. Hmmm...
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I've been around, on and off...But unlike you, I kinda' know what's happening on DW server. Sure, LC & HT might have more +12 R9 casters, I don't deny that.
    But you know, look at Asterelle posts, just word from someone else: 6 x 5 aps spamming 10 nirv/hour during x2. Get 6 x +12 r9 casters, see how many you can spam? oh wait, you can do just one. Hmmm...

    Yea... its a bit hard to spam caster nirv. Too bad it seems like only people on HT are smart enough to stack BH to spam caster nirv 2, 3, 4 or even 5 times... while other server can only figure out how to do it once. I think my archer... who doesn't even get a free talisman can spam caster nirv 5 times right now with 2 BH1 and 3 BH2s waiting to be turned in. And this is cause I hardly do any nirv (did less then 10 regular/caster during this 2x). I know someone who stacked up to 7-8 for a weekend run.

    And regarding the opening thing. Anyone with a key can get in to nirvana. Any class can open caster nirvana... as long as they have a talisman in their inventory. Certain class cannot be lead to start caster nirv (I can only personalty confirm archer... although I heard sins cant either). For my archer... I can't even see any quest from the caster nirv starting dude when i am lead.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yea... its a bit hard to spam caster nirv. Too bad it seems like only people on HT are smart enough to stack BH to spam caster nirv 2, 3, 4 or even 5 times... while other server can only figure out how to do it once. I think my archer... who doesn't even get a free talisman can spam caster nirv 5 times right now with 2 BH1 and 3 BH2s waiting to be turned in. And this is cause I hardly do any nirv (did less then 10 regular/caster during this 2x). I know someone who stacked up to 7-8 for a weekend run.

    And regarding the opening thing. Anyone with a key can get in to nirvana. Any class can open caster nirvana... as long as they have a talisman in their inventory. Certain class cannot be lead to start caster nirv (I can only personalty confirm archer... although I heard sins cant either). For my archer... I can't even see any quest from the caster nirv starting dude when i am lead.

    You can actually find 6 R9 people who have stacked up 5 BHs during 2x? That seems unlikely. Even if it were true, having to do a 20 minute BH for every caster nirv is not efficient considering you can do like 4 normal nirv runs in that time.

    Again on Sanc R9 casters are just not used in PVE except maybe for goons. They don't do BH. If they farm they do it on a 5.0 sin alt.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You can actually find 6 R9 people who have stacked up 5 BHs during 2x? That seems unlikely. Even if it were true, having to do a 20 minute BH for every caster nirv is not efficient considering you can do like 4 normal nirv runs in that time.

    Again on Sanc R9 casters are just not used in PVE except maybe for goons. They don't do BH. If they farm they do it on a 5.0 sin alt.

    1. I don't believe I claim to have a full squad of 6 r9s for a caster nirv.
    2. I don't believe any consecutive runs must have the same r9s. Considering in my guild... I can throw a rock and hit an r9. Not hard to find an replacement r9 for one that's leaving. I think on one of my caster runs, I got a +12 r9 archer, +12 r9 wizard, +12 r9 cleric, +10 r9 cleric, r8 cleric, and forgot the last guy. On another, I have a +12 r9 archer, +11/12 r9 cleric, +10 r9 cleric, +5 tt99 veno, and forgot the last spots. Of the two above runs... only 2 people are the same for both runs. BTW... a r9 archer (sage) is capable of holding majority aggro from r9 clerics... without taunts.
    3. Personally, I don't do regular nirvana runs. It's either I have 99 keys or I am extremely bored. The income I get from it does not really justify the opportunity cost of spending time killing the same thing over and over again. That being said... I think you can understand why I would op for caster nirvana over regular nirvana. Just want to try things out. Which is also how I figure out that my archer can't start caster nirvana.
    4. On HT... I know quiet a few full r9 that doesn't have a perma-spark alt. How they get their money is really their problem. Personally... even with me being an archer... who has an 100+ sin alt... non of my characters are capable of perma-spark with regular attack.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    caster vana = free subs
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You can actually find 6 R9 people who have stacked up 5 BHs during 2x? That seems unlikely. Even if it were true, having to do a 20 minute BH for every caster nirv is not efficient considering you can do like 4 normal nirv runs in that time.

    Again on Sanc R9 casters are just not used in PVE except maybe for goons.     They don't do BH. If they farm they do it on a 5.0 sin alt.

    As usual Asterelle.. right.

    Caster nirvana is for people that cant farm fast as 5.0 people. Really.. no point to do something like this if your full rank9 or 5.0. It is basically a waste of time.. Its like going to fbs.. It is just a waste of time now(unless bh).


    Tbh why farming on this game.. when so many new ones comming out soon.. lol
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    u think u'll see me here again once T.era or G.W2 are going live? hell no.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »
    As usual Asterelle.. right.

    Caster nirvana is for people that cant farm fast as 5.0 people. Really.. no point to do something like this if your full rank9 or 5.0. It is basically a waste of time.. Its like going to fbs.. It is just a waste of time now(unless bh).


    Tbh why farming on this game.. when so many new ones comming out soon.. lol

    Just cause I have r9... doesn't mean I am prohibited from farming. It just means that I don't have to farm as often. Who cares if an aps squad can run a nirvana in 5 minutes... while my metal skill spamming archer takes 10 minute to run a caster nirvana. More then likely... I'll only do my one run while bored and waiting for dinner... while the same aps squad will still be going at it when I am good and full and watching tv. And at the end of day... I'll still be better geared then half of the aps-ers who spent 100x the time that I do in nirvana.
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