A possible new alt?

Yuniryu - Raging Tide
Yuniryu - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
edited September 2011 in General Discussion
I was thinking of a new Alt getting bored of seeker and it would be good to have something to hold more fairys. Before you say aps that is not what I am thinking because too expensive I am thinking more of cheaper veno or more fun wizard and archer or mystic. But something that I can relative join a normal bh squad and tt. Forget fc all sins and BMs and seeker and barb and clerics. So any ideas?

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  • Yamiino - Heavens Tear
    Yamiino - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,031 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Yuniryu - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I was thinking of a new Alt getting bored of seeker and it would be good to have something to hold more fairys. Before you say aps that is not what I am thinking because too expensive I am thinking more of cheaper veno or more fun wizard and archer or mystic. But something that I can relative join a normal bh squad and tt. Forget fc all sins and BMs and seeker and barb and clerics. So any ideas?

    Thanks if you reply

    No class is cheap, whatever you chose endgame is expensive.

    As of what to choose if you want to join instances...

    Archer = Fair, can join pretty much any squad, even on endgame is easy to.

    Wiz = Not as fair, can join pretty much any squad on lower lvl, for nirv however, most squads will not be looking for a wiz.

    Mystic = Fair, pretty much like a cleric, can join squads easily.

    Veno = Not fair, its an expensive class if you ask me if you want to deal some damage overall you need a nix for tw, you need a herc to solo stuff, if you dont want to tw or solo stuff, you will have a harder time finding squads, venos can join nirv fairly easy, venos are loved in lower lvl instances if you have a herc or if you can tank with your pet.
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  • ZoracGallant - Raging Tide
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    I don't know about mystics, though I know people that play them and love them (I just don't have one so can't say). Psy's are fun, once you learn how to stay alive that is. Veno's of course give you a good bit of versitilty and ignore what a lot of people say about veno's not being wanted. Veno's are always welcome for amp.

    But I think what you are asking for is which class should you make an alt to follow you in TT solo mode to split fairy boxes right. In that case I would go with either a Veno or a Mystic simply because you can have their pet auto attack while you are on your seeker, little extra DD for you.

    You can of course do the same thing with any meele class, sin, bm, archer, barb, but you said you weren't considering aps.

    I like my veno, it's my farmer when I get wore out on my sin. 150k an hour in drops just on mobs and during 2x b:dirty
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Archer = Fair, can join pretty much any squad, even on endgame is easy to.

    Veno = Not fair, its an expensive class if you ask me if you want to deal some damage overall you need a nix for tw, you need a herc to solo stuff, if you dont want to tw or solo stuff, you will have a harder time finding squads, venos can join nirv fairly easy, venos are loved in lower lvl instances if you have a herc or if you can tank with your pet.

    I Like your logic how a veno is an expensive class cause it'll need a nix/herc. I guess no one ever told you that the amount I (and other archers) spent on our bows... we could have easily gotten an army of nixes and hercs.
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  • rgog
    rgog Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Veno is fine with free pets, especially for what you need. Constant bramble will be nice also.
  • Yuniryu - Raging Tide
    Yuniryu - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I don't know about mystics, though I know people that play them and love them (I just don't have one so can't say). Psy's are fun, once you learn how to stay alive that is. Veno's of course give you a good bit of versitilty and ignore what a lot of people say about veno's not being wanted. Veno's are always welcome for amp.

    But I think what you are asking for is which class should you make an alt to follow you in TT solo mode to split fairy boxes right. In that case I would go with either a Veno or a Mystic simply because you can have their pet auto attack while you are on your seeker, little extra DD for you.

    You can of course do the same thing with any meele class, sin, bm, archer, barb, but you said you weren't considering aps.

    I like my veno, it's my farmer when I get wore out on my sin. 150k an hour in drops just on mobs and during 2x b:dirty

    :) Cool now its just to decide between mystic or veno. :O.
    O.O Someone said mystic find squads more then venos huh o.o. I thought they are both hard to get into.

    Lets see Veno or Mystic.

    Mystic
    :Can heal and dd

    Veno
    Can dd.

    Well i like dding more the heal, i dont think i have tried cleric before, i might suck at healing o.o.
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  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    veno + shadou can usually tank if the pet is even leveled (veno is 70, pet should be 70)

    the cost in venos is food. I like the mystic over the veno because of this. but the choice is ultimately yours
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  • NiightmareXz - Harshlands
    NiightmareXz - Harshlands Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Mystic is prolly your best bet if you want to be able to get into squads.
    If you want to play your own way, choose whatever class you want.

    Archers are hard to get into highlevel/endgame things without 5aps, which you said earlier that you didn't wanna do.
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  • Yuniryu - Raging Tide
    Yuniryu - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »
    Mystic is prolly your best bet if you want to be able to get into squads.
    If you want to play your own way, choose whatever class you want.

    Archers are hard to get into highlevel/endgame things without 5aps, which you said earlier that you didn't wanna do.

    I will try mystics thanks folks.. Just seems interesting :). I am unlikely to bother with nirvana lol really cause i like my seeker. Too many things just to do 1 instance, i rather just relax.

    No worries i could duo with seeker if needed.
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  • ZoracGallant - Raging Tide
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Low to Mid lvl ranges I'd say they are about even. 70-90 Mystics are probably a little more favored because people want extra healing and rez buff (Unless you shell out for a herc on the veno in which case you can tell them to **** off cause you won't need a squad).

    90+ For FC, bhs, nirvana, warsong veno's are in demand. DDing and Debuffing venos and mystics are up and down depending on their build, vit/str HA LA or arcane. So you can't judge them based on that unless you compare apples to apples but even then from what my friends that have both high lvl mystics and venos their dding and debuffs are about the same. The difference maker is amp, which aps squads want. Amp + HF + 5aps = Dead Boss.

    But I think for you the difference maker is bramble vs rez buff. Less damage taken or quick rez if you **** up or lag and die.
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    the cost in venos is food.

    Which they make up several times with an almost non existant potion use.

    You only need food when your pet dies, and my veno (with both a nix and a herc) uses less than 100k in pet food every week...
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  • Yamiino - Heavens Tear
    Yamiino - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,031 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I Like your logic how a veno is an expensive class cause it'll need a nix/herc. I guess no one ever told you that the amount I (and other archers) spent on our bows... we could have easily gotten an army of nixes and hercs.

    Well thinking R8 bow is about 75 gold worth and it is a pretty nice bow, and nix + herc is about 200 mil coins (with the ticket, else it'd be over 400 gold for both, prolly 500... + the gear).

    Yes veno is still more expensive than an archer.

    Yes its true, venos have it easy as in instances and potions, even repairs, but archer is more wanted, not to mention R9 archer is pretty much best.
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  • Yuniryu - Raging Tide
    Yuniryu - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Low to Mid lvl ranges I'd say they are about even. 70-90 Mystics are probably a little more favored because people want extra healing and rez buff (Unless you shell out for a herc on the veno in which case you can tell them to **** off cause you won't need a squad).

    90+ For FC, bhs, nirvana, warsong veno's are in demand. DDing and Debuffing venos and mystics are up and down depending on their build, vit/str HA LA or arcane. So you can't judge them based on that unless you compare apples to apples but even then from what my friends that have both high lvl mystics and venos their dding and debuffs are about the same. The difference maker is amp, which aps squads want. Amp + HF + 5aps = Dead Boss.

    But I think for you the difference maker is bramble vs rez buff. Less damage taken or quick rez if you **** up or lag and die.

    Thanks i will bear that in mind. As i was saying i am more concerned about outside of nirvana so i guess mystic is the best choice for me.
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  • ZoracGallant - Raging Tide
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Veno pets don't actually need food because of the tome glitch. Feed it till it is full and equip any tome and it never gets hungry again. If it dies the loyalty drops a bit, but it's easy to get it back up.
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  • NiightmareXz - Harshlands
    NiightmareXz - Harshlands Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Veno pets don't actually need food because of the tome glitch. Feed it till it is full and equip any tome and it never gets hungry again. If it dies the loyalty drops a bit, but it's easy to get it back up.

    i don't think that's a glitch o.o i thought it was supposed to feed your pet/mount or whatever. but it's a nice thing to have regardless
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  • ZoracGallant - Raging Tide
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    edited September 2011
    Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well thinking R8 bow is about 75 gold worth and it is a pretty nice bow, and nix + herc is about 200 mil coins (with the ticket, else it'd be over 400 gold for both, prolly 500... + the gear).

    Yes veno is still more expensive than an archer.

    b:surprised 400 gold for Nix and herc. I got 3 nixes for less than 50 gold during one of the pack sales a few months back. Sold 2 got 2 hercs kept one and gave one to a friend. Yes gave and no sexual favors were not involved.
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    edited September 2011
    NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »
    i don't think that's a glitch o.o i thought it was supposed to feed your pet/mount or whatever. but it's a nice thing to have regardless

    It is a glitch, see with out a tome your pet requires food to keep loyalty up, if not feed every so many mins the loyalty drops. In the CS there used to be (may still be) a tome that feeds your pet for you for a week. However you can equip ANY tome and it has the same effect loyalty doesn't drop unless pet dies.
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  • TanisHawkeye - Dreamweaver
    TanisHawkeye - Dreamweaver Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Yuniryu - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Thanks i will bear that in mind. As i was saying i am more concerned about outside of nirvana so i guess mystic is the best choice for me.

    You'll probably have a great time with mystic.

    -Pets let you handle just about any role if you are within reasonable level for the dungeon (devil tank, storm DD, sally defense)
    -Plants help out with healing/debuffs.
    -Res is one of the better buffs in case you accidentally pull too many mobs or aggro something you didnt mean to.
    -Vengeance + Soul Absorb is actually incredibly damaging for the mana it uses, so if you find yourself running out of mp you can spam those for a while.
    -Heals to spam at party members in case of party lacking a cleric

    Mystics just have the whole package, and while some classes can do better at 1 or 2 of these roles, no one fills in to whatever is needed quite like a mystic does...
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
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    edited September 2011
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »
    It is a glitch, see with out a tome your pet requires food to keep loyalty up, if not feed every so many mins the loyalty drops. In the CS there used to be (may still be) a tome that feeds your pet for you for a week. However you can equip ANY tome and it has the same effect loyalty doesn't drop unless pet dies.

    I don't think it's a glitch. Keeping your pets fed used to be rather simple in the early days, when the herc & nix weren't present yet.

    They probably just added it as a small bonus (not having to carry a stack of pure waters around anymore) back then, and it became a huge bonus once hercs and nixes were released (not having to spend a mil on pet food every day).
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »
    But I think for you the difference maker is bramble vs rez buff. Less damage taken or quick rez if you **** up or lag and die.

    Bramble guard doesn't reduce damage taken, it just returns a percentage of damage received. Bramble hood does reduce damage taken but is a self buff, takes 2 sparks, and lasts only a few seconds.
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  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Which they make up several times with an almost non existant potion use.

    You only need food when your pet dies, and my veno (with both a nix and a herc) uses less than 100k in pet food every week...
    yes, that's true, but if you don't have a tome, like mine, it costs. That's the point
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  • ZoracGallant - Raging Tide
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Bramble guard doesn't reduce damage taken, it just returns a percentage of damage received. Bramble hood does reduce damage taken but is a self buff, takes 2 sparks, and lasts only a few seconds.

    Because Bramble reflects damage back to the attacker it damages the attacker so over time helping you to kill it faster. Faster mob/boss death = less damage taken.

    @Psytrac - you get a tome from lvl 80 supply stash, don't want to spend 2 hammers, you can get lvl 1 tomes pretty cheap, or even make one for less than 500k (depending on prices on your server.) Or if you have nice guildies they might lend you one till you can make your own.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well thinking R8 bow is about 75 gold worth and it is a pretty nice bow, and nix + herc is about 200 mil coins (with the ticket, else it'd be over 400 gold for both, prolly 500... + the gear).

    Yes veno is still more expensive than an archer.

    Yes its true, venos have it easy as in instances and potions, even repairs, but archer is more wanted, not to mention R9 archer is pretty much best.

    R8 bow is ****. Its the equivalent of the poor man's weapon... and a sure sign that you are NOT dedicated to an archer. And only a stupid veno pays 200 mil for a nix... I still have the nix ticket that I bought for 80 mil. My in-game wife is a veno... and the veno has both nix and herc. But I don't dare let her TW PERIOD. Even fully buffed in sage fox form... shes still a one shot for my r9 archer.
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  • Yuniryu - Raging Tide
    Yuniryu - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    O.O. I have decided, Veno because even if i stop at 75 its still useful for me and even if its 100 then herc and blah blah. Not only that not too worried about squad, only fc really is going to be hard but doesnt matter :). Yes veno will cost something but nothing is cheap, but hell i am happy spending 100mil then 300mil on aps :). 100 mill is reachable for me, 300mil very hard for me.I still got my seeker main and thanks all folks.
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    edited September 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    R8 bow is ****. Its the equivalent of the poor man's weapon... and a sure sign that you are NOT dedicated to an archer. And only a stupid veno pays 200 mil for a nix... I still have the nix ticket that I bought for 80 mil. My in-game wife is a veno... and the veno has both nix and herc. But I don't dare let her TW PERIOD. Even fully buffed in sage fox form... shes still a one shot for my r9 archer.

    Well s0me0ne is a bit c0ntr0llingb:scorn.
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  • NiightmareXz - Harshlands
    NiightmareXz - Harshlands Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well s0me0ne is a bit c0ntr0llingb:scorn.

    +1 to ryan renolds sexy bedroom eyes...
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  • Yuniryu - Raging Tide
    Yuniryu - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Har har back again. I realised what is wrong. I need a duo alt lol. Whats the best duo alt for seeker? I dont just want this alt to hold boxes lol.

    Seeker/ cleric ? Seeker / mystic ? seeker/ Sin(sage bp XD Bonus)
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  • TanisHawkeye - Dreamweaver
    TanisHawkeye - Dreamweaver Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Yuniryu - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Har har back again. I realised what is wrong. I need a duo alt lol. Whats the best duo alt for seeker? I dont just want this alt to hold boxes lol.

    Seeker/ cleric ? Seeker / mystic ? seeker/ Sin(sage bp XD Bonus)

    Cleric, the regen hp buffs + defenses really make a huge difference on seekers when it comes to staying alive. I know that when a cleric buffs my seeker he can tank thru mobs so much easier, plus the mp regen on celestial seal makes up for the fact that without gear, mp regen on seekers kinda sucks (or you could just use that stockpile of mp pots you're likely to acquire)
  • Yuniryu - Raging Tide
    Yuniryu - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    TanisHawkeye - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Cleric, the regen hp buffs + defenses really make a huge difference on seekers when it comes to staying alive. I know that when a cleric buffs my seeker he can tank thru mobs so much easier, plus the mp regen on celestial seal makes up for the fact that without gear, mp regen on seekers kinda sucks (or you could just use that stockpile of mp pots you're likely to acquire)

    Hm true. Let me think on that one.. I will wait to see what other people say. I got a problem with that annoying sp pvp zone >.> wonder if there is a way to get past to reach bh29, if not i guess its quest tlll 50. Well only 6 levels :)
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    I got a problem with that annoying sp pvp zone >.> wonder if there is a way to get past to reach bh29

    There is, it's called an illusion stone. There's two in Archosaur, by the west and south Teleport Masters, as you probably already know.
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  • Yuniryu - Raging Tide
    Yuniryu - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    There is, it's called an illusion stone. There's two in Archosaur, by the west and south Teleport Masters, as you probably already know.

    :D oh thanksb:thanks so much :)
    TanisHawkeye - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Cleric, the regen hp buffs + defenses really make a huge difference on seekers when it comes to staying alive. I know that when a cleric buffs my seeker he can tank thru mobs so much easier, plus the mp regen on celestial seal makes up for the fact that without gear, mp regen on seekers kinda sucks (or you could just use that stockpile of mp pots you're likely to acquire)

    But i heard things about mystic plants and self res buff can help. O.O i dunno if they can help ddding with seeker on bosses while heal. I guess cleric seems safter till otherwise.
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