Would you play a pro challange server??

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

i guess QQ are part of humanity

Telarith - Sanctuary

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

silly rabbits. what ppl seem to not understand is that pre tidborns everyone and his mom were complaining about how OP venos with hercs/nixes were. there was a point in time where "veno is so OP" or "nix OP" or "herc OP" or "why are venos the only class that can solo TT" and etc were common place. ppl were mad and upset. ppl were complaining about how genies took no skill and that a "real class dont need genies" or some stupid **** to that effect.

what has changed? nothing has changed. ppl are still saying classes are OP. the only difference is that venos were replaced by sins. if sins didn't exist then ppl would be saying 5.0 archers/BMs/barbs are OP. if 5.0 didn't exist ppl will be saying venos and cragglord are OP. if they didn't exist ppl will be saying wizards are OP. its a never-ending cycle of pure unadulterated fest QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQing.

reverting the game wont stop that QQ fest and it wont make the game better.

Silly new player, whoever said battle packs were going to be in the boutique? The game was out for over 2 months over here before they were added into the game. So while people who want genies in would tend towards that, who wants the genies either? Vanilla PWI did not have either of those. Though I imagine many would want enough patches to get the Flesh Ream buff. I can just imagine the crying of the vit barb tank accusing people of grabbing aggro, without noticing how their flesh ream keeps missing. Would be amusing though.

In the end it would likely require some oversight into how far it would be patched. Many of the later patches can still be added for the content needed (OHT, CoA, etc.), while removing the few things that would change it. Add patches beyond when battle pet packs were introduced, just don't have them in boutique. Add in OHT for 100 cultis, remove the NPC's that give the genie. Just because the code for it is there, doesn't mean it has to be used. Genies would theoretically be possible, just impossible to get. Like many of the items in PWI database were.

This wouldn't take much time or money, and the constant flow from buying charms and fashion would more than take care of it on a select server. The funny thing is how the advice to combat the "hyper"ness of servers is to get a group of people together who want to do all the content together to do it. Wouldn't this server kind of, y'know, do that? Heck, most of the gripes currently on the forum (balance, packs, no one to quest with) would be taken care of in the new server. And anyone making a new post could simply be told to go there and play instead.

I still don't see the logic in actual casual players not liking old vanilla. Back then, there were the ones who were rushing to constantly level and grind. But there were whole factions of the casuals who would get on, do their thing, then jump off. They were not rushed to do anything, and they didn't care about getting end game fast. Because they are casual players. They get on to do the game, talk some with friends they meet up with while questing, doing FBs, and other things. What would an actual casual player like about hyper to 80 and then do random FCC with people you might never see or talk to again? The casual players never cared about that. So how much of the worry about a pro server coming out about seeing so many leave the existing servers, and the newer players not coming to repopulate?

Omea - Lost City

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

silly rabbits. what ppl seem to not understand is that pre tidborns everyone and his mom were complaining about how OP venos with hercs/nixes were. there was a point in time where "veno is so OP" or "nix OP" or "herc OP" or "why are venos the only class that can solo TT" and etc were common place. ppl were mad and upset. ppl were complaining about how genies took no skill and that a "real class dont need genies" or some stupid **** to that effect.

what has changed? nothing has changed. ppl are still saying classes are OP. the only difference is that venos were replaced by sins. if sins didn't exist then ppl would be saying 5.0 archers/BMs/barbs are OP. if 5.0 didn't exist ppl will be saying venos and cragglord are OP. if they didn't exist ppl will be saying wizards are OP. its a never-ending cycle of pure unadulterated fest QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQing.

reverting the game wont stop that QQ fest and it wont make the game better.

There is one reason people change topic to whine about, and that is because they found something worse. It started with "venos being OP QQ", that later changed to "Sins are OP QQ" meaning Sins are more OP than venos. Following?
Also, only archers could get 5.0 APS pre-packs, and back then it was neither cost- nor time-effective to FARM it.

You mention that a lot more "casual" players "play" this game than "hardcore" players do. However "casual" means "play sometimes, for fun" not "pay a shietload of money to get to max lvl with the best gear available, then quit. All in a 2 month timeframe."

Personally, I support this, only should it be free, however, would I play it. It should also grow, not degenerate like this game is doing.

czzn

XOSentretOX - Lost City wrote: »

I would. Granted , im not a pro player but I still think it'd be fun. Even if it was p2p i would just because i feel the majority of the ppl on this "pro challenge" server would probably share the feelings i have about this game =)b:victory

I thought someone just said that NO ONE said that they wanted a never growing mmo? The people defending this post are going back and forth in logical circles for this failure of an argument. If ya'll honestly think that you'd have your interest held in a game like that forever, then why were people crying when I used my genie in duels before now? What's it gonna take for ya'll to understand that the game doesn't need to be downgraded backwards, it needs the older classes to be updated...for once. Hasn't anyone thought of that yet, moving the older classes up to keep up with the newer ones, or are we still talking about the good old days when genies were "noob tools" and venos were op from that herc they always had, and the claw BM's that did way too much dmg way too fast with heavy armor on with high crit rates, all amplified by a demon spark? Don't think backward, push forward already. -_-

czzn

XOSentretOX - Lost City wrote: »

I would. Granted , im not a pro player but I still think it'd be fun. Even if it was p2p i would just because i feel the majority of the ppl on this "pro challenge" server would probably share the feelings i have about this game =)b:victory

What majority wants a downgrade anyway? Even if it was beneficial or not, who wants to downgrade themselves to an earlier form? There's no majority in that, call it a minority. -_-

czzn

Omea - Lost City wrote: »

Personally, I support this, only should it be free, however, would I play it. It should also grow, not degenerate like this game is doing.

They flipped the argument again. O_O

Crescendia - Harshlands

For people like me who aren't cashshoppers, it's already challenging enough trying to keep up with those who CS and work on +12 gears. so I don't think making a server where you have to grind for lvls is fun in any way. Set high standard goals, work towards them without cashshopping and u already have a huge challenge. That works for me.

oh and yeah, don't support.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

What a QQ fest. I love the idea, but yeah it would never happen.

Adromada - Raging Tide

Crescendia - Harshlands wrote: »

For people like me who aren't cashshoppers, it's already challenging enough trying to keep up with those who CS and work on +12 gears. so I don't think making a server where you have to grind for lvls is fun in any way. Set high standard goals, work towards them without cashshopping and u already have a huge challenge. That works for me.

oh and yeah, don't support.

But that's the whole point (you wouldn't be competing with cashshoppers) Because most items in boutique will be either bound or just wont be there < the point of this is to make everyone play on a lvl playing field, there will still be items that you can sell like fash mounts and flyers and other little nik nak's just not the things that make people overly rich and over powered because they have money to waste, this server would be a proper free to play not pay to win

BTW if you didn't want to play on this server you have a choice to not play on it
you can still patch the game with latest things like bug fixes and fash or what not
it would just be missing the TB and EG in which you can still play on 9 other servers

and if your not an accountant for pwe i would suggest you stop saying that they cant afford it (as its not your place to say how much they do or do not get in $), ill believe it when an accountant or the (big boss) of pwe says otherwise. so stop QQ and ruining things for players that are for a dedicated pre TB server with the items and benefits of the current servers.

CessiI - Dreamweaver

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

silly rabbits. what ppl seem to not understand is that pre tidborns everyone and his mom were complaining about how OP venos with hercs/nixes were. there was a point in time where "veno is so OP" or "nix OP" or "herc OP" or "why are venos the only class that can solo TT" and etc were common place. ppl were mad and upset. ppl were complaining about how genies took no skill and that a "real class dont need genies" or some stupid **** to that effect.

what has changed? nothing has changed. ppl are still saying classes are OP. the only difference is that venos were replaced by sins. if sins didn't exist then ppl would be saying 5.0 archers/BMs/barbs are OP. if 5.0 didn't exist ppl will be saying venos and cragglord are OP. if they didn't exist ppl will be saying wizards are OP. its a never-ending cycle of pure unadulterated fest QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQing.

reverting the game wont stop that QQ fest and it wont make the game better.

first of all,, most peaple that QQd towards venos for soloing TTs where nubs who could not, and i dident care for it , if they wanna run a TT 3+ hours for a few mats, lol let them have it

this 5.00 is WAY out of porportion then a veno ever was.

venos never where OP, just the nix bleed

and back then EVERY class had something that was OP and little kids feel the need to QQ about it,

and again a sin, compared to all classes OPness is again out of porportions,

brazenbusboy

This is not about reverting pre Fish because of fish per se, but Fish combined with the whole cash shopping of power. It is the combination of Fish and cash shopped outfitting of them that has destroyed old style game play in favor of soloing cash shopping fish.

Most of us would prefer a game where levels, reputation, and the best gear are not for sale and the object is cooperative play in squads.

The cash shop packs changed the game from playing to win to paying to win. Whoever spends the most wins.

I would take a PW without all the new stuff, if it meant it would be populated with people who want to quest and team in squads and I think a significant portion of others would too.

Look at WC now, its totally FC spam. The current game is FC or GTFO and I think PW is losing money every time a player who does not want FC quits.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Would I give up my 3 years of character growth to play a server without packs and the unbalancing factors the game has right now? Yes I would, without a second thought.

ResMePls - Heavens Tear

I h0pe y0u realize the percentage 0f western players that play PWI 0nly ab0ut 10% 0f them actually quest.

Adromada - Raging Tide

ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I h0pe y0u realize the percentage 0f western players that play PWI 0nly ab0ut 10% 0f them actually quest.

That's because they don't have to quest anymore, you only need your Cultiquests, FB quests and the optional gear gaining quests, other than that its FC this FC that, tideborn hidden quest, oracles, and hypers.

do the math, all where asking is for a server without all these fast exp gaining fiasco's in which you don't have to play when 9/10 servers are for your cashshopping needs and limited cashshop items to stop people from gaining access to lvl 100 in a month or so.

czzn

Adromada - Raging Tide wrote: »

But that's the whole point (you wouldn't be competing with cashshoppers) Because most items in boutique will be either bound or just wont be there < the point of this is to make everyone play on a lvl playing field, there will still be items that you can sell like fash mounts and flyers and other little nik nak's just not the things that make people overly rich and over powered because they have money to waste, this server would be a proper free to play not pay to win

BTW if you didn't want to play on this server you have a choice to not play on it
you can still patch the game with latest things like bug fixes and fash or what not
it would just be missing the TB and EG in which you can still play on 9 other servers

and if your not an accountant for pwe i would suggest you stop saying that they cant afford it (as its not your place to say how much they do or do not get in $), ill believe it when an accountant or the (big boss) of pwe says otherwise. so stop QQ and ruining things for players that are for a dedicated pre TB server with the items and benefits of the current servers.

NONE of you people defending this idea even pay half of the attention you should to the above posts, or else you would of realized that the guy that started this post said that you can't have anything past the genie expansion. This means patches, fashions, mounts, flyers, expansions, new dungeons, or any type of new that doesn't come in the form of a lousy daily that you can make out of the material that's already there. Obviously, none of you would want to play in what this guy described as a hardcore server because most of you keep skewing what the original idea was, so as include things that would be missing before agreeing. This server shouldn't have anything beyond the tb expansion, meaning no random inclusions of what you'd like to keep that showed up in the tideborn expansion or later can be included. Quit defending the idea by skewing what it was and answer this question: If the TB expansion and everything after that never happened, and we were pretty much, for the most part, left without any updates to what's in the game, would we still play it?

czzn

Adromada - Raging Tide wrote: »

do the math, all where asking is for a server without all these fast exp gaining fiasco's in which you don't have to play when 9/10 servers are for your cashshopping needs and limited cashshop items to stop people from gaining access to lvl 100 in a month or so.

And this right here? Plain spiteful, in its entirety. It's one thing to dislike lack of balancing with the game's classes, but to hate on how fast someone else levels up? That's plain nonsense, at the least. In fact, why wouldn't you let those guys have that fast level up speed so you can enjoy the original rate in which your supposed to level up on your own? No one's hurting you by utilizing items that literally boost their attack speed by like 40%, or something else that breaks the class's balancing. You'd think you'd complain about some overpowered gear they sell in the cashshops fully ready to kick *** with, but instead you dislike the rate at which people level up? Level up at your pace, with what resources you can/will utilize, and when you run into some God power gear that only cashshoppers have access to (and I mean legitimately have exclusive access to, as in you must pay for it, or it'll never appear in the game), then complain about that, for at least that's more worthwhile to complain about. ,-,-,';...;',-,-,

Adromada - Raging Tide

czzn wrote: »

And this right here? Plain spiteful, in its entirety. It's one thing to dislike lack of balancing with the game's classes, but to hate on how fast someone else levels up? That's plain nonsense, at the least. In fact, why wouldn't you let those guys have that fast level up speed so you can enjoy the original rate in which your supposed to level up on your own? No one's hurting you by utilizing items that literally boost their attack speed by like 40%, or something else that breaks the class's balancing. You'd think you'd complain about some overpowered gear they sell in the cashshops fully ready to kick *** with, but instead you dislike the rate at which people level up? Level up at your pace, with what resources you can/will utilize, and when you run into some God power gear that only cashshoppers have access to (and I mean legitimately have exclusive access to, as in you must pay for it, or it'll never appear in the game), then complain about that, for at least that's more worthwhile to complain about. ,-,-,';...;',-,-,

Are you **** or something, people like you sound like your saying all servers be reverted.

A: there would still be updates and patches

B: This server would be for people who actually want to take it slowely, with out the hassle of having WC spammed selling FC and gears< and where you can actually WC chat for a squad to help you with your bosses

C: You keep QQing over something you wouldn't generally support anyway
you have the servers you play on already so why do you feel the need to sit here and be a skeptic over something you wouldn't do, frankly i dont think this is the place for you to troll.

and in general i was actualy asking those who would play this type of server i would rather just a simple yes or no, not your life story bro.

Empu - Sanctuary

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

I still don't see the logic in actual casual players not liking old vanilla. Back then, there were the ones who were rushing to constantly level and grind. But there were whole factions of the casuals who would get on, do their thing, then jump off. They were not rushed to do anything, and they didn't care about getting end game fast. Because they are casual players. They get on to do the game, talk some with friends they meet up with while questing, doing FBs, and other things. What would an actual casual player like about hyper to 80 and then do random FCC with people you might never see or talk to again? The casual players never cared about that. So how much of the worry about a pro server coming out about seeing so many leave the existing servers, and the newer players not coming to repopulate?

It is funny how you actually confirm the person you like to contradict. Technically, the game didn't change for your "casual player". That hypers exist doesn't make you forced to use them. I do know a big bunch of "casual players", that play for 3 years without reaching 100.

The problem is that in general, the players are competitive. They want to become 100+ fast. They want epic gear. And they only want to squad with ppl that are as least as good as them (quite a paradox actually). Imo, what's killing the game is not 5 aps being possible or sins being OP (cause yes they are), but it's every wc "need X+ aps sin/bm for *enter random instance*".

What Barunaa want's to say (I think), is that a new server won't change the minds off ppl. There will always be a part of the playerbase dicting a certain lvl of gear to become a "standard". And players that want to become "better" then the rest. If you're such an old player, just make a chronological list of the requirements to enter a tw faction, or the class wanted for TT.

I'm not against such a server, I just think it's totally useless. If really all that many ppl cared about squad play, don't wc for specific aps or gear requirements and don't join any of them. Many ppl say they care so much, but want 10min tt runs. Many say the old days were better, but can't help themselves from hypering and fcc'ing and don't finish a simple quest. Those "casual players" you talk about aren't the same that want this server. The real "casual players" don't seem to give a damn about others gears, lvls or cashshop ammounts. They just log on, do the things they like and then go off. At least that's my experience.

Maybe the ones wanting such a server want to be casual players but still not far from the top? Or maybe they are just idealising the past to much?

zerosubs

Adromada - Raging Tide wrote: »

I want to know if any of you would play a pro challenge server that's designed like the original pwi

with no BH, FC, HYPERS,
Tideborn/Earthguard< player opinion

basically im asking if you would play a server that resembles that of the genie expansion and filled with challenges instead of events, more cash shop bound items to keep the gold lvl at a free to play limit,

ps don't complain about this suggestion if you didn't want to play on a pro server there are your original servers to be op and fast paste on.

this is for the people that want to play the game with out all the hassle of fast lvling, overpriced items and unbalanced game play.

Tell me what you think and what you would prefer in a pro challenge server

I say pro challenge because all the original lvl 100 players used teamwork, skill and they worked damn hard to get lvl 100+ it was challenging and they were truly pro's.

Again this is just an opinion/suggestion no need to go all QQ, ijs.

i cant tell if you were serious or just wanted to post something on the forums without thinking though it very well. changes such as r9 for EG is taking months, yet your asking for an ENTIRE NEW SERVER. i've never seen this before on any mmo i've ever played.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

zerosubs wrote: »

i cant tell if you were serious or just wanted to post something on the forums without thinking though it very well. changes such as r9 for EG is taking months, yet your asking for an ENTIRE NEW SERVER. i've never seen this before on any mmo i've ever played.

You've never seen a new server? With different rules than standard servers ever. Wow are you blind or just dumb. There are lots of Private Servers that have way different standards than normal servers, yes they are private but they do exist. And almost all mmorpg's have servers with a varing lvl of rules PWE is one of the few that their 'standards' are simply PvP or PvE. And oh, the CN servers for PW, no hypers in FC, though they do have R9 for EG.

Open your eyes you'll see a world full of colors.

zerosubs

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

You've never seen a new server? With different rules than standard servers ever. Wow are you blind or just dumb. There are lots of Private Servers that have way different standards than normal servers, yes they are private but they do exist. And almost all mmorpg's have servers with a varing lvl of rules PWE is one of the few that their 'standards' are simply PvP or PvE. And oh, the CN servers for PW, no hypers in FC, though they do have R9 for EG.

Open your eyes you'll see a world full of colors.

Ofcourse i know private servers exist, but that has nothing to do at all with OP's post. you ARE aware that private servers are not made by the developers of the game the private servers are made for right? It's funny how you called me dumb but yet your post contains 10000% more idiotic content than mine. Maybe next time you try insulting someone and saying they're dumb you make sure not to sound completely moronic yourself.

czzn

Adromada - Raging Tide wrote: »

I want to know if any of you would play a pro challenge server that's designed like the original pwi

with no BH, FC, HYPERS,
Tideborn/Earthguard< player opinion

basically im asking if you would play a server that resembles that of the genie expansion and filled with challenges instead of events, more cash shop bound items to keep the gold lvl at a free to play limit,

ps don't complain about this suggestion if you didn't want to play on a pro server there are your original servers to be op and fast paste on.

this is for the people that want to play the game with out all the hassle of fast lvling, overpriced items and unbalanced game play.

Tell me what you think and what you would prefer in a pro challenge server

I say pro challenge because all the original lvl 100 players used teamwork, skill and they worked damn hard to get lvl 100+ it was challenging and they were truly pro's.

Again this is just an opinion/suggestion no need to go all QQ, ijs.

Does this original quote leave room for updates, expansions, patches, bugs, or any new material what so ever? The only new content you could add are daily quests, because all the expansions and events, including 2X exp, spirit, and/or drops, wouldn't exist. The server can only make use of what was there in the genie expansion, and that's it. Why are people saying that it could "grow" or "expand" or "take a new direction" when that's not the question? Don't skew the whole idea so it'd fit your preferences before answering the question, and don't call me ****, only to say, again, that the server could expand, because it can't. It can only make use of what it had as available content in the genie patch, as well as patch any bugs or problems with the material. So, for example, you can't make any new instances, moves, monster types, pet types, stat rebalancing, weapons, armor, accessories, aesthetics, events of any kind (seeing how he said this server ditched events for challenges), new flyers, new mounts, all packs, new npcs, new npc functions, and any other "new" I forgot. But, in this server, what it could add are new fixes to bugs and new challenges as long as they add nothing new in it...so pretty much new dailies. Would you want that as a server or not, and please stay on topic this time.

czzn

Adromada - Raging Tide wrote: »

Are you **** or something, people like you sound like your saying all servers be reverted.

A: there would still be updates and patches

B: This server would be for people who actually want to take it slowely, with out the hassle of having WC spammed selling FC and gears< and where you can actually WC chat for a squad to help you with your bosses

C: You keep QQing over something you wouldn't generally support anyway
you have the servers you play on already so why do you feel the need to sit here and be a skeptic over something you wouldn't do, frankly i dont think this is the place for you to troll.

and in general i was actualy asking those who would play this type of server i would rather just a simple yes or no, not your life story bro.

And for this guy:

1. Yea, there'd be new updates, but none with new material. This means that you'll forever be on the daily grind. Patches to fix problems, yea, they would be there.

2. You can do that in the regular servers right now, for the most part. No one put hypers in your bag and right clicked them for you, so go as slow as you want. As for WC friendly-ness, that's the fault of other players. If I choose not to pick you for a dungeon run, then that's it, I choose not to. I could be playing on the server located in a shack, but if I choose not to, then it's tough. And as for the selling spree, it's gonna happen when you can shout your product all over the server. In fact, they do that in real life too, and it's called a commercial! Bet ya never knew that, did ya?

3. There's no life story here, but it grinds my gears to have people make lame as hell arguments for points they want to make, and seeing how the defenders of this topic hardly even know the question, we're getting lame answers. Just look at how unorganized the ideas behind the question are in the above posts, and you'll see what I meant when I say that people are skewing the question left and right to their own preference, rather than just answering the actual question.

czzn

Adromada - Raging Tide wrote: »

But that's the whole point (you wouldn't be competing with cashshoppers) Because most items in boutique will be either bound or just wont be there < the point of this is to make everyone play on a lvl playing field, there will still be items that you can sell like fash mounts and flyers and other little nik nak's just not the things that make people overly rich and over powered because they have money to waste, this server would be a proper free to play not pay to win

And the point flips again here...seeing how he said that you wouldn't compete with cash shoppers....

czzn

Adromada - Raging Tide wrote: »

I only mean some items in cash shop to be bound not all, in my opinion i think packs should be bound, but fash,mounts,flyers,mats wouldn't be bound, this server wouldn't be about money it would be about skill and teamwork to reach lvl 100+, i mean they all did it when the game first came out this server would just be like when it first started.

From here...when he said that mounts, flyers, fashions, and mats aren't bound to the cash shopping player who doesn't have to farm them up in anyway shape or form. Again, they forget what they say.

zerosubs

czzn wrote: »

From here...when he said that mounts, flyers, fashions, and mats aren't bound to the cash shopping player who doesn't have to farm them up in anyway shape or form. Again, they forget what they say.

Thats like double posting x2

Laphroaig - Raging Tide

I guess I already do play as a 'pro-challenge' or I'm challenged at any rate. I remember playing games long since past where reaching the highest level took over a year, and that was with a lot of time invested.

It does seem to be easier to level in PW, and there appears to be many ways to level even faster, but I think it boils down to personal choice. Sure, I could buy the HYPER stones, but why should I bother. There will always be higher level characters with better pixellated equipment, that can out kill, or out play me at any given time, and I am OK with that, because, well, I suck at it. But you know what? I have fun running around enjoying the game as I like to play it and I will level at my own pace.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

zerosubs wrote: »

Ofcourse i know private servers exist, but that has nothing to do at all with OP's post. you ARE aware that private servers are not made by the developers of the game the private servers are made for right? It's funny how you called me dumb but yet your post contains 10000% more idiotic content than mine. Maybe next time you try insulting someone and saying they're dumb you make sure not to sound completely moronic yourself.

I didn't call you dumb, I asked if you were blind or dumb, but I guess you made your choice. Try and read my whole post I acknowledged that Private Servers are Private Servers though you missed the part that the China servers have some different rules than ours, such as No Hypers in FC. And you also seemed to miss my point that most other mmorpg's have a wider variety of servers than just PvP and PvE as PWI does.

So who's 10000% more idiotic.

czzn

zerosubs wrote: »

Thats like double posting x2

Yea...but if anyone actually takes the time to read it, it gets a point across. Bit lengthy though... >_>

Btw: That one guy was right, certain servers in certain countries do have a few changes of their own. It doesn't help all too much, however, because it isn't like the same country will have two types of servers. Good point though, because I often go to sleep at night wondering how much better the Korean DnF is over America's DFO.

zerosubs

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

I didn't call you dumb, I asked if you were blind or dumb, but I guess you made your choice. Try and read my whole post I acknowledged that Private Servers are Private Servers though you missed the part that the China servers have some different rules than ours, such as No Hypers in FC. And you also seemed to miss my point that most other mmorpg's have a wider variety of servers than just PvP and PvE as PWI does.

So who's 10000% more idiotic.

You pointed out something that i already knew and for no reason, as it had absolutely no bearing on my post or the OP's post for that matter. So in answer to your question (which i so kindly bolded for you) you. b:pleased